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Re: 2023-2024 College Basketball / NBA Draft 

Post#401 » by Kobblehead » Tue May 7, 2024 10:23 pm

FireMorey wrote:I haven't watched a ton of college basketball this year, I've found it the most boring year of college ball I can remember, but the one guy I am interested in seems to be a popular guy mocked to the Sixers and that's Isaiah Collier. I think he has potential to be a plus NBA scorer. Don't love anyone in this class though.

Yup. His size, scoring ability, and ability to draw contact are very impressive. Jumper could be a dealbreaker, though.
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Post#402 » by Negrodamus » Wed May 8, 2024 3:13 pm

I might have to reevaluate Devin Carter. He has Derrick White at Colorado type stats and that can't be ignored.

Devin Carter: 7.3 OBPM, 5.0 DBPM, 23.3 AST%, 2.9 STL%, 2.8 BLK%

If you look at the guards/forwards who are killing it in the playoffs, they all had nuclear advanced stats in college:

Brunson: 8.0 OBPM, 2.2 DBPM, 26.6 AST%
Hart: 8.1 OBPM, 3.9 DBPM, 18.8 AST%, 2.9 STL%
DiVincenzo: 6.1 OBPM, 2.9 DBPM, 20 AST%, 2 STL%
Derrick White: 9.0 OBPM, 3.4 DBPM, 28.6 AST%, 2.2 STL%
Donovan Mitchell: 5.7 OBPM, 5.5 DBPM, 16 AST%, 3.7 STL%

Some superstars, like Jaylen Brown and Antman, don't hit the gigantic numbers (because they were freshmen).

Even guys who aren't blowing up were studs in college. Rarely does a player come into the league as a pure role player on their college team and become a stud role player on their pro team.

I might have been too quick to dismiss him since he looked like Maui from Moana out there, but he might actually be our best pick at this spot.
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Post#403 » by Stanford » Wed May 8, 2024 3:28 pm

Don't all 3rd and 4th year college players have nuclear advanced stats?
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Post#404 » by Arsenal » Wed May 8, 2024 3:47 pm

Negrodamus wrote:I might have to reevaluate Devin Carter. He has Derrick White at Colorado type stats and that can't be ignored.

Devin Carter: 7.3 OBPM, 5.0 DBPM, 23.3 AST%, 2.9 STL%, 2.8 BLK%

If you look at the guards/forwards who are killing it in the playoffs, they all had nuclear advanced stats in college:

Brunson: 8.0 OBPM, 2.2 DBPM, 26.6 AST%
Hart: 8.1 OBPM, 3.9 DBPM, 18.8 AST%, 2.9 STL%
DiVincenzo: 6.1 OBPM, 2.9 DBPM, 20 AST%, 2 STL%
Derrick White: 9.0 OBPM, 3.4 DBPM, 28.6 AST%, 2.2 STL%
Donovan Mitchell: 5.7 OBPM, 5.5 DBPM, 16 AST%, 3.7 STL%

Some superstars, like Jaylen Brown and Antman, don't hit the gigantic numbers (because they were freshmen).

Even guys who aren't blowing up were studs in college. Rarely does a player come into the league as a pure role player on their college team and become a stud role player on their pro team.

I might have been too quick to dismiss him since he looked like Maui from Moana out there, but he might actually be our best pick at this spot.


Agreed. His stats are too insane to ignore. Plus he plays with high motor and plays bigger than his size including a 6'9" or 6'10" wingspan. Shades of Derrick White and Josh Hart. Insane rebounding numbers of 14.4 per 100.

I think he could be an excellent backcourt complement to Maxey, kind of a bigger, better Melton. And potentially could be good enough to start right away.
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Re: 2023-2024 College Basketball / NBA Draft 

Post#405 » by Arsenal » Wed May 8, 2024 3:47 pm

Stanford wrote:Don't all 3rd and 4th year college players have nuclear advanced stats?


Only the ones who are good prospects. If guys aren't putting up insane numbers by their junior or senior year they're NGMI.
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Re: 2023-2024 College Basketball / NBA Draft 

Post#406 » by Stanford » Wed May 8, 2024 3:55 pm

Just seems like the second round is full of juniors and seniors with great box plus minus.
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Post#407 » by Negrodamus » Wed May 8, 2024 3:59 pm

Stanford wrote:Don't all 3rd and 4th year college players have nuclear advanced stats?


Kinda, but not really. Excluding center, because that's a whole different evaluation to me, here's what we're looking at:

Nuclear Level
Kolek: 6.9 OBPM, 3.2 DBPM, 42 AST%, 2.8 STL%
Devin Carter: 7.3 OBPM, 5.0 DBPM, 23.3 AST%, 2.9 STL%, 2.8 BLK%
Mark Sears: 9.2 OBPM, 2.1 DBPM, 21.4 AST%, 2.6 STL%

A little step down

Knecht: 8.5 OBPM, 2.8 DBPM, 13 AST%, 1.3 STL% (I have some concerns about Mr. Knecht but he does cross the 10+ BPM threshold)
Shannon: 8.9 OBPM, 2.7 DBPM, 12 AST%, 1.7 STL%

Very Good
da Silva: 5.0 OBPM, 2.2 DBPM, 13.4 AST%, 2 STL%
McCullar: 4.5 OBPM, 2.8 DBPM, 22.9 AST%, 2.5 STL%
Tyson: 5.7 OBPM, 1.2 DBPM, 23.6 AST%, 2 STL%


One of the things I crucially left out is FTr. There are always exceptions (DiVincenzo and Mitchell) but being above a .300 FTr.

I want to make it clear, I'm not saying anyone below the top level is disqualified from becoming a good NBA player. There are other factors at play. I also hate selecting anyone in the first round below 6'5 because it becomes more variable the shorter players are from my amateur experience watching the draft.
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Post#408 » by Negrodamus » Wed May 8, 2024 4:03 pm

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Negrodamus wrote:I might have to reevaluate Devin Carter. He has Derrick White at Colorado type stats and that can't be ignored.

Devin Carter: 7.3 OBPM, 5.0 DBPM, 23.3 AST%, 2.9 STL%, 2.8 BLK%

If you look at the guards/forwards who are killing it in the playoffs, they all had nuclear advanced stats in college:

Brunson: 8.0 OBPM, 2.2 DBPM, 26.6 AST%
Hart: 8.1 OBPM, 3.9 DBPM, 18.8 AST%, 2.9 STL%
DiVincenzo: 6.1 OBPM, 2.9 DBPM, 20 AST%, 2 STL%
Derrick White: 9.0 OBPM, 3.4 DBPM, 28.6 AST%, 2.2 STL%
Donovan Mitchell: 5.7 OBPM, 5.5 DBPM, 16 AST%, 3.7 STL%

Some superstars, like Jaylen Brown and Antman, don't hit the gigantic numbers (because they were freshmen).

Even guys who aren't blowing up were studs in college. Rarely does a player come into the league as a pure role player on their college team and become a stud role player on their pro team.

I might have been too quick to dismiss him since he looked like Maui from Moana out there, but he might actually be our best pick at this spot.


Agreed. His stats are too insane to ignore. Plus he plays with high motor and plays bigger than his size including a 6'9" or 6'10" wingspan. Shades of Derrick White and Josh Hart. Insane rebounding numbers of 14.4 per 100.

I think he could be an excellent backcourt complement to Maxey, kind of a bigger, better Melton. And potentially could be good enough to start right away.


My only hesitation at the moment is his FT% was pretty rough for a guard, however he was 66% from FT for the first half and ended with greater volume at around 81%. Also his outside jumper looks a little hitchy, which is always a concern. But as a probable role player, that's probably not make or break.
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Re: 2023-2024 College Basketball / NBA Draft 

Post#409 » by Negrodamus » Wed May 8, 2024 4:08 pm



Imagine if we had a guy like this on defense who would provide backside help? Maybe crash the boards? Anticipate where the cutter is going and beat him to the spot?
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Re: 2023-2024 College Basketball / NBA Draft 

Post#410 » by Kobblehead » Wed May 8, 2024 10:05 pm

Judah Mintz (20 years old, 6'4") - .615 FTR, 33.8% PROJ 3%
Isaiah Collier (19 years old, 6'5")- .497 FTR, 33.5% PROJ 3%
Tristen Newton (23 years old, 6'5") - .474 FTR, 36.5% PROJ 3%
Ajay Mitchell (21 years old, 6'5") - .473 FTR, 36.4% PROJ 3%

^ Of the hyper aggressive scoring PGs that draw contact, Ajay Mitchell has the best combination of youth and projected three point shooting. Would be a great pick at #41.

Terrence Shannon (23 years old, 6'6") - .599 FTR, 37.6% PROJ 3%
Ja'Kobe Walter (19 years old, 6'5") - .478 FRT, 37.1% PROJ 3%
Dillon Jones (22 years old, 6'6") - .477 FTR, 35.7% PROJ 3%
Kevin McCullar (23 years old, 6'6") - .426 FTR, 35.9% PROJ 3%

^ Of the hyper aggressive scoring SGs that draw contact, Terrence Shannon is in a league of his own. Potential instant 20 ppg player at the NBA level. He should be the pick at #16 IMO.
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Post#411 » by PhillyFan11 » Thu May 9, 2024 1:13 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Judah Mintz (20 years old, 6'4") - .615 FTR, 33.8% PROJ 3%
Isaiah Collier (19 years old, 6'5")- .497 FTR, 33.5% PROJ 3%
Tristen Newton (23 years old, 6'5") - .474 FTR, 36.5% PROJ 3%
Ajay Mitchell (21 years old, 6'5") - .473 FTR, 36.4% PROJ 3%

^ Of the hyper aggressive scoring PGs that draw contact, Ajay Mitchell has the best combination of youth and projected three point shooting. Would be a great pick at #41.

Terrence Shannon (23 years old, 6'6") - .599 FTR, 37.6% PROJ 3%
Ja'Kobe Walter (19 years old, 6'5") - .478 FRT, 37.1% PROJ 3%
Dillon Jones (22 years old, 6'6") - .477 FTR, 35.7% PROJ 3%
Kevin McCullar (23 years old, 6'6") - .426 FTR, 35.9% PROJ 3%

^ Of the hyper aggressive scoring SGs that draw contact, Terrence Shannon is in a league of his own. Potential instant 20 ppg player at the NBA level. He should be the pick at #16 IMO.


Apparently Shannon has a potential rape charge hanging over his head. He might be out of the picture
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Re: 2023-2024 College Basketball / NBA Draft 

Post#412 » by Kobblehead » Thu May 9, 2024 1:15 pm

Nikola Djurisic projected in the 2nd round? 6'8" 218 pound SG/SF with a .465 FTR.

https://www.tankathon.com/players/nikola-djurisic



This dude looks nasty.
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Post#413 » by Monix » Thu May 9, 2024 1:33 pm

check out his defensive highlights, that's why he's mocked in the 2nd round

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Post#414 » by Negrodamus » Thu May 9, 2024 1:56 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Nikola Djurisic projected in the 2nd round? 6'8" 218 pound SG/SF with a .465 FTR.

https://www.tankathon.com/players/nikola-djurisic



This dude looks nasty.


What are your thoughts on Bobi Klintman? Hitting OK FTr numbers for a stretch 4. Has some handle to his game. Very good STL%. 81% FT. Nice enough looking stroke to be a 3pt shooter.
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Post#415 » by Kobblehead » Fri May 10, 2024 12:24 am

Negrodamus wrote:What are your thoughts on Bobi Klintman? Hitting OK FTr numbers for a stretch 4. Has some handle to his game. Very good STL%. 81% FT. Nice enough looking stroke to be a 3pt shooter.


Klintman passes the eye test, but seems a bit raw and too much of a project. A lot of turnovers on offense and a lot of personal fouls on defense. Not sure if he has a good enough basketball IQ. It's telling that NOBODY seems to be willing to play him more than 20 something MPG, whether that be at Wake or in the Australian League.

I wouldn't be surprised if he turned out to be a player, though. He's got some Kuzma to his game.
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Post#416 » by Kobblehead » Fri May 10, 2024 12:44 am

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/40115234/amid-portal-era-calipari-hints-limiting-arkansas-roster-8-9-guys

As he prepares for his first season at Arkansas, John Calipari said he won't stack his rosters with an abundance of talent, which was his tactic during his lengthy tenure at Kentucky.

On the latest episode of his "Ways to Win" podcast with former Oregon State head coach Craig Robinson, Calipari said the turnover in college basketball in the transfer portal era has changed his philosophy on assembling rosters.

"You may think I'm crazy, but I told my staff I only want to have eight or nine guys," Calipari told Robinson, who is now executive director of the National Association of Basketball Coaches. "They're leaving anyway, and why would I develop a kid for someone else? Why would I do that?"

Calipari said he has talked to other coaches who have discussed similar strategies.

According to NCAA rules, a team can have up to 13 scholarship players. While most teams rarely utilize every scholarship player on the roster, the idea of using fewer scholarships because of the turnover that the bulk of Division I teams have endured in recent years could signal a major shift within the sport.

Calipari already has added seven players to his first Arkansas roster, a group that includes former Kentucky commit Boogie Fland, who is a five-star prospect, and former Florida Atlantic star Johnell Davis.

But he said he wants to use the other spots on his roster for walk-ons and rely on those non-scholarship players and graduate assistants to help the team prepare for its opponents next season. He noted that women's college basketball teams often use non-staffers to help them in practice.

"I want those [graduate assistants] to have played in Europe or just got done playing and can still play," he said. "We can use them in practice. The women's programs have five guys that they call 'managers,' but that's who they scrimmage against. Maybe I do it that way. We have some walk-ons, we have some [graduate assistants], we have eight or nine guys and that's it. And if there is a 10th guy, he knows he's the 10th guy."

Calipari said his staff cautioned that an injury could create challenges with a shortened roster. But he said he's comfortable with the concept because he has played small rotations in the past.

"I coached six [players] when I was at UMass," he said.
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Post#417 » by mjkvol » Fri May 10, 2024 1:35 am

Kobblehead wrote:https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/40115234/amid-portal-era-calipari-hints-limiting-arkansas-roster-8-9-guys

As he prepares for his first season at Arkansas, John Calipari said he won't stack his rosters with an abundance of talent, which was his tactic during his lengthy tenure at Kentucky.

On the latest episode of his "Ways to Win" podcast with former Oregon State head coach Craig Robinson, Calipari said the turnover in college basketball in the transfer portal era has changed his philosophy on assembling rosters.

"You may think I'm crazy, but I told my staff I only want to have eight or nine guys," Calipari told Robinson, who is now executive director of the National Association of Basketball Coaches. "They're leaving anyway, and why would I develop a kid for someone else? Why would I do that?"

Calipari said he has talked to other coaches who have discussed similar strategies.

According to NCAA rules, a team can have up to 13 scholarship players. While most teams rarely utilize every scholarship player on the roster, the idea of using fewer scholarships because of the turnover that the bulk of Division I teams have endured in recent years could signal a major shift within the sport.

Calipari already has added seven players to his first Arkansas roster, a group that includes former Kentucky commit Boogie Fland, who is a five-star prospect, and former Florida Atlantic star Johnell Davis.

But he said he wants to use the other spots on his roster for walk-ons and rely on those non-scholarship players and graduate assistants to help the team prepare for its opponents next season. He noted that women's college basketball teams often use non-staffers to help them in practice.

"I want those [graduate assistants] to have played in Europe or just got done playing and can still play," he said. "We can use them in practice. The women's programs have five guys that they call 'managers,' but that's who they scrimmage against. Maybe I do it that way. We have some walk-ons, we have some [graduate assistants], we have eight or nine guys and that's it. And if there is a 10th guy, he knows he's the 10th guy."

Calipari said his staff cautioned that an injury could create challenges with a shortened roster. But he said he's comfortable with the concept because he has played small rotations in the past.

"I coached six [players] when I was at UMass," he said.


Don't blame the coaches a bit. If the portal doesn't get at least some guardrails it's going to destroy the sport, or at least make it a lot less fun to follow, especially for long time fans.
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Re: 2023-2024 College Basketball / NBA Draft 

Post#418 » by Negrodamus » Fri May 10, 2024 1:36 am

Kobblehead wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:What are your thoughts on Bobi Klintman? Hitting OK FTr numbers for a stretch 4. Has some handle to his game. Very good STL%. 81% FT. Nice enough looking stroke to be a 3pt shooter.


Klintman passes the eye test, but seems a bit raw and too much of a project. A lot of turnovers on offense and a lot of personal fouls on defense. Not sure if he has a good enough basketball IQ. It's telling that NOBODY seems to be willing to play him more than 20 something MPG, whether that be at Wake or in the Australian League.

I wouldn't be surprised if he turned out to be a player, though. He's got some Kuzma to his game.


Yea, I feel like he’s a risk, but this trash draft makes me feel inclined to go after a potential home run.
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Post#419 » by Negrodamus » Fri May 10, 2024 1:38 am

It’s a shame that Cal took so long to adjust. I get he hit on Tshiebwe and Reeves, but he committed to too many raw freshmen and that was his undoing.
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Post#420 » by 76ciology » Fri May 10, 2024 4:54 am

Tankathon has Filipowski at 16th. I dont mind drafting him, I think he’s a type of big that can unlock Maxey’s scoring with the 2nd unit because of his ability to score on the post, roll and pop for a 3.
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