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Iverson Armband wrote:

youngcrev wrote:I'll be extremely excited if they manage to get Jimmy back here. I don't think it's that tough to build a roster those 3. Probably just look to keep Melton, Oubre and Batum, honestly. Lowry stays on a minimum. Find the best backup 5 you can get to come for a minimum. And that's your playoff 8.

So you’re looking at:

Maxey/Lowry
Melton/Hield?
Butler/Oubre
Batum/Reed?
Embiid/Drummond

Not bad.

sixers hoops wrote:

ZarcMumoff wrote:

sixers hoops wrote:They don’t need to renounce him because his back is hurt or because they planned poorly, they would renounce his rights because they don’t need them to eventually re-sign him.

Just because they can sign him using cap space doesn't mean that is the right move.

sixers hoops wrote:He is going to get paid less than his cap hold.

I know, I said this in my OP.

sixers hoops wrote:However, they are going to renounce him, sign the big free agent

They can sign the big free agent without renouncing him. The largest FA contract is PG13 at $49.4 million. They can get to that number without renouncing Melton, and instead signing him to a new contract via Bird Rights to something less than his cap hold (like we both agree will be the case). Embiid+Maxey+Oubre+Council+16+Melton at $10M would be $51.5M in cap space.

sixers hoops wrote:then they can pursue free-agents with the remaining $12 million or so. If they are okay with his back, Melton will likely be one of the players they target. And they wouldn’t be “circling back” to him. They would just be pursuing him without his rights, since they are operating with cap space.

Why renounce him, open up $12 million in space, to then try to pursue him? There should be a specific *reason* to have that extra $12 million because Melton isn't limiting the big move if he signs for ~$10 million or less.

I already explained this. His cap hold is $17 million. They will renounce him to clear $17 million in cap space. There is zero reason to not renounce him. You are the only person who believes they should hold onto to his rights even though it makes no sense. It is a simple procedural motion that teams under the cap commonly make when a player’s cap hold is more than their likely market value. They are not going to rush a decision on Melton until free agency plays out, and they are not going to delay the signing of a priority free agents by foolishly holding onto Melton’s rights because you don’t understand that they hold no value to the process.

The Sixers likely have a lot of players ahead of Melton on their priority list due to his back issues, subsequently, signing Melton may not be a decision they are ready to make for a few weeks as they allow the market to play out. Therefore, they are not going to carry a more expensive cap hold for no reason. They are not signing him with cap space because they believe it is the right move. They simply understand math and realize the cap hold doesn’t benefit them. It’s actually not very complicated.

Arsenal wrote:

76ciology wrote:

the Sixers signed George to a max contract, he’d combine with Embiid and Maxey’s cap hold to take up nearly $113.8 million. Add in nine incomplete roster charges ($1.16 million each), and the Sixers would have less than $16.8 million left in cap space, along with the $8.0 million room-level exception. That’d still be enough to add another piece or two, but again, creating that much space would require getting rid of everyone who isn’t willing to return on a minimum-salary contract.

Let’s say Oubre is willing to return for the room MLE, as ESPN’s Bobby Marks recently speculated. (Perhaps it’d be part of the Bobby Portis Plan for him.) That would leave the Sixers with Embiid, Maxey, George, Oubre and less than $17 million in cap space. From there, it boils down to how many players from this past year’s roster are willing to return on minimum contracts. The Sixers can sign players to min deals even if they’re over the cap, so from an order-of-operations standpoint, they’d push that off until they spend the rest of their cap space first.

If Batum, Payne and Lowry were willing to come back on min deals, the Sixers would then have a decent seven-man core. They could keep RC4 for $1.9 million as well, and they’d still have $16.0 million in cap space. (Keeping him would remove one incomplete roster charge from their books.) If they spent that remaining cap space on an impact player or two—Caleb Martin, perhaps?—and nailed the rest of their minimum signings, they could find themselves on the short list of championship favorites heading into next season.

I'm ok with this plan considering the alternatives. I think we can get 2 rotation players with the remaining $16m of cap. Perhaps Buddy Hield and Batum who I don't think comes back for vet min. Then get Drummond and Dario for vet min. Then we also have our 1st and 2nd rounder to fill out the rotation.

PG Maxey | Payne | Lowry
SG HIeld | Council | 2nd
SF George | Oubre | 1st
PF Batum | Saric | ??
CE Embiid | Drummond | ??

Even better if Melton comes back on a vet min. That may be his best option considering it preserves his Bird Rights, so if he has a healthy season we can pay him MLE money or even more. If he goes elsewhere for a small increase over the vet min, his Bird Rights are lost.

And if RoCo can get healthy, getting him back for vet min helps with the depth.

Now you're still got all your draft picks to make trades for upgrades at the deadline for guys like Caruso, Brodgon, etc.

Arsenal wrote: I'm ok with this plan considering the alternatives. I think we can get 2 rotation players with the remaining $16m of cap. Perhaps Buddy Hield and Batum who I don't think comes back for vet min. Then get Drummond and Dario for vet min. Then we also have our 1st and 2nd rounder to fill out the rotation.

PG Maxey | Payne | Lowry
SG HIeld | Council | 2nd
SF George | Oubre | 1st
PF Batum | Saric | ??
CE Embiid | Drummond | ??

Even better if Melton comes back on a vet min. That may be his best option considering it preserves his Bird Rights, so if he has a healthy season we can pay him MLE money or even more. If he goes elsewhere for a small increase over the vet min, his Bird Rights are lost.

And if RoCo can get healthy, getting him back for vet min helps with the depth.

Now you're still got all your draft picks to make trades for upgrades at the deadline for guys like Caruso, Brodgon, etc.

AI_Efficiency wrote:Morey did say the right thing about using cap space this offseason just now. Said we won’t waste our cap space on a long term deal just to make one and instead would make smarter short term deals and maintain flexibility for the next good opportunity. Said would only go all in if it would make us best in the East.

FireMorey wrote:I still think Paul George will stick with the Clips. I can't see him wanting to come to Philly. He's from the LA area. Would he really go across the other side of the country to a whole new area for like 10m per year extra? I guess CA taxes factor in too. But still, he's made a ton of money. And would the Clips really let him go? They have no alternative, they gotta kinda try to win with those 3 guys or bust.

I have a feeling right now it's posturing and ultimately he'll re-sign. Probably for less than the max. Which would make Butler or Ingram the most likely scenarios IMO.

ZarcMumoff wrote:

sixers hoops wrote:

ZarcMumoff wrote:
Just because they can sign him using cap space doesn't mean that is the right move.



I know, I said this in my OP.



They can sign the big free agent without renouncing him. The largest FA contract is PG13 at $49.4 million. They can get to that number without renouncing Melton, and instead signing him to a new contract via Bird Rights to something less than his cap hold (like we both agree will be the case). Embiid+Maxey+Oubre+Council+16+Melton at $10M would be $51.5M in cap space.



Why renounce him, open up $12 million in space, to then try to pursue him? There should be a specific *reason* to have that extra $12 million because Melton isn't limiting the big move if he signs for ~$10 million or less.

I already explained this. His cap hold is $17 million. They will renounce him to clear $17 million in cap space. There is zero reason to not renounce him. You are the only person who believes they should hold onto to his rights even though it makes no sense. It is a simple procedural motion that teams under the cap commonly make when a player’s cap hold is more than their likely market value. They are not going to rush a decision on Melton until free agency plays out, and they are not going to delay the signing of a priority free agents by foolishly holding onto Melton’s rights because you don’t understand that they hold no value to the process.

The Sixers likely have a lot of players ahead of Melton on their priority list due to his back issues, subsequently, signing Melton may not be a decision they are ready to make for a few weeks as they allow the market to play out. Therefore, they are not going to carry a more expensive cap hold for no reason. They are not signing him with cap space because they believe it is the right move. They simply understand math and realize the cap hold doesn’t benefit them. It’s actually not very complicated.

His cap hold isn't $17 million, it's $15.2 million. Word to wise: if you are going to be condescending about something, make sure it is correct.

"they are not going to delay the signing of a priority free agents by foolishly holding onto Melton’s rights"

I don't believe you are even reading what I'm saying if this is still your point when it is the COMPLETE opposite of what I've been saying. Like you are arguing something completely separate from my original posts. Reading and comprehension aren't very complicated, actually, so perhaps you are being obtuse on purpose.

PhillyFan11 wrote:Didn’t Batum say he was retiring after the year? Has there been any indication that has changed?

LeonJordanJr24 wrote:Brandon Ingram saves this teams window and upside.

sixers hoops wrote:

AI_Efficiency wrote:Morey did say the right thing about using cap space this offseason just now. Said we won’t waste our cap space on a long term deal just to make one and instead would make smarter short term deals and maintain flexibility for the next good opportunity. Said would only go all in if it would make us best in the East.

Yep. He won’t be “punting” on the season. Just signing shorter deals. I like that he isn’t publicly committing to aggressively signing a big name. Just be smart.

phifans wrote:

sixers hoops wrote:

AI_Efficiency wrote:Morey did say the right thing about using cap space this offseason just now. Said we won’t waste our cap space on a long term deal just to make one and instead would make smarter short term deals and maintain flexibility for the next good opportunity. Said would only go all in if it would make us best in the East.

Yep. He won’t be “punting” on the season. Just signing shorter deals. I like that he isn’t publicly committing to aggressively signing a big name. Just be smart.

Except we don't have flexibility anymore once Maxey gets his max contract. Signing long term deals or short term deals does't matter at all. This offseason is our last shot.

Seems like either Morey has lost his mind or he just try to fool some casual fans who has no idea how cba works.