Tom Moore 2.0

tmoore · Post #361 » by **tmoore** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 2:00 pm

Stefanski took the safe route. He knew the Sixers would be over the cap either way this summer and feared they wouldn't be able to replace Iguodala if he went elsewhere as an unrestricted FA. Economy all but made sure that wouldn't have happened. My issue is that he unnecessarily overpaid for AI9.

sixerfan1976 · Post #362 » by **sixerfan1976** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 2:24 pm

I was told that Grant Hill was leaning towards the Knicks which would take Miller off the board for them. However.....Knicks did call us and ask if we would be interested in Duhon in a potential sign and trade for Miller if they could strike an agreement with him.(assuming Hill didnt sign there)

So...I believe Duhon is an expiring? If so..thats one possibility.....

KKell2507 · Post #363 » by **KKell2507** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 2:40 pm

sixerfan1976 wrote:I was told that Grant Hill was leaning towards the Knicks which would take Miller off the board for them. However.....Knicks did call us and ask if we would be interested in Duhon in a potential sign and trade for Miller if they could strike an agreement with him.(assuming Hill didnt sign there)

So...I believe Duhon is an expiring? If so..thats one possibility.....

I like that idea. Chris Duhon is a similar player to Steve Blake and possibly a better player. He averaged 11.1pts, 7.2asts, 3.1reb in 38min last year for the Knicks. He also had a 2.56A/T ratio which is pretty solid for a pg. he shot 39% from beyond the arc and is a pretty solid pressure defender when he needs to be(he did go to duke). His has 1 year left on his contract and he will make a little over 6 mil this year. So hes a bit more expensive than Blake but he does fit in line with the 1 year deal theme. Get it done Ed, its better than nothing.

freshie2 · Post #364 » by **freshie2** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 2:49 pm

I don't see the fit of Grant Hill in NY. The Knicks are light years away from contending, so why would Hill pick them over a contending team or even the Suns?? IF there is a potential s/t Miller for Duhon, you would have to do that in a second. His contract is expiring, and he would give you the stop gap PG they appear to be seeking.

Another Knick thought for those opposed to keeping Sammy. If they could get rid of Sam, would anyone have interest in moving say Miller (s/t) and Green to NY for Curry?? I don't think it is a wise move, but I know there are a lot of people strongly opposed to keeping Sam.

sixerfan1976 · Post #365 » by **sixerfan1976** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 2:55 pm

curry is a joke too..rather keep sam.

and if we can get duhon..do it..perfect fit for one year

The76thDegree · Post #366 » by **The76thDegree** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 2:57 pm

I wouldnt mind duhon - I think he's underrated and would be a good 1 year rental like blake would be

freshie2 · Post #367 » by **freshie2** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 2:58 pm

I agree SF...although I think Sam probably should be moved, I don't think they help the team in doing so. Hopefully Jordan can soothe his emotional wounds enough to get a 10/10/2+ season out of him.

Duhon would be nice...

76ers76ers · Post #368 » by **76ers76ers** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 3:04 pm

Duhon would be a nice pickup. A veteran PG (that can shoot threes) for a year would be nice.

ankle420breaker · Post #369 » by **ankle420breaker** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 3:11 pm

I likE the idea of adding Duhon. He's a maker from 3, has a solid grasp of the game, is capable of running the offense, and he's an expiring.

SF, are we receptive to this potential offer? If it comes to fruition, I think we need to be...

Ming · Post #370 » by **Ming** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 3:11 pm

Iguodala will probably sign with the blazers if he is an unrestricted FA right now. Just saying.

Duhon would be a perfect fit. Too good to happen.
And the contract does not match up. Duhon makes 6mil, say Miller signs for 1 year 9/10mil, what can the Knicks throw in to match that?
That would push the sixers above the luxury tax threshold too.

Court_visioN · Post #371 » by **Court_visioN** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 3:19 pm

miller won't end up getting 9-10 million at the end of the FA period, I see him getting maybe a 3-year 6-7 mil deal at the most.

Gsraider · Post #372 » by **Gsraider** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 3:22 pm

It's my understanding (although I could be wrong) that if Hill signs with the Knicks, it will be for one year. So, perhaps I'm just missing something again, but why would the Knicks be interested in Miller only if Hill doesn't sign with them? In an S&T involving Duhon, they would simply be swapping salaries and more or less keeping their payroll the same (for this season at least). In any event, I'm guessing that Miller wants at least 2 years from the Knicks and they have to know that, so if Grant Hill will only be around for one season, why wouldn't the Knicks be receptive to obtaining Miller in a S&T regardless of what happens with Hill?

As for Duhon, another stopgap retread that does little for me other than not seemingly rush the development of Holiday or subject us to what could be the nightly horror show of Lou Williams at the point. He can shoot reasonably well from distance though, so I guess I could see why they might be interested in that.

sixerfan1976 · Post #373 » by **sixerfan1976** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 3:24 pm

i think we would be interested in it yes.

but ...grant hill needs to figure out what he is doing

miller would have to come to an agreement contract wise with the knicks...alot of things have to fall into place.

but its got a shot..lets see what happens...

Ming · Post #374 » by **Ming** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 3:27 pm

If it's a 3-year deal then yes he won't get 9-10mil.
But the Knicks probably won't go over 1 year. And I don't see him signing a 1-year MLE type contract.

Gsraider · Post #375 » by **Gsraider** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 3:30 pm

Ming wrote:If it's a 3-year deal then yes he won't get 9-10mil. But the Knicks probably won't go over 1 year. And I don't see him signing a 1-year MLE type contract.

Theoretically, if I understand it correctly and Duhon makes about $6 million this year, the Knicks could offer Miller a contract at about $8 million per (based on the 75% rule). The only question is whether they would do it for more than one year.

roll · Post #376 » by **roll** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 3:38 pm

Gsraider wrote:
Ming wrote:If it's a 3-year deal then yes he won't get 9-10mil. But the Knicks probably won't go over 1 year. And I don't see him signing a 1-year MLE type contract.

Theoretically, if I understand it correctly and Duhon makes about $6 million this year, the Knicks could offer Miller a contract at about $8 million per (based on the 75% rule). The only question is whether they would do it for more than one year.

8M? How? I haven't understood you...

sixerswillrule · Post #377 » by **sixerswillrule** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 3:40 pm

Get Duhon!!!

Ming · Post #378 » by **Ming** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 3:49 pm

Gsraider wrote:
Ming wrote:If it's a 3-year deal then yes he won't get 9-10mil. But the Knicks probably won't go over 1 year. And I don't see him signing a 1-year MLE type contract.

Theoretically, if I understand it correctly and Duhon makes about $6 million this year, the Knicks could offer Miller a contract at about $8 million per (based on the 75% rule). The only question is whether they would do it for more than one year.

The rule is a team can take on no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade. So from my understanding the Knicks can receive no more than 6mil * 125% + 100,000 = 7.6mil back if they only trade Duhon.

roll · Post #379 » by **roll** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 3:53 pm

If we've decided to not try to contend, why we need average players to take minutes of our youngsters? What kind of craft Duhon can teach Holiday? Seat on the bench? =)

PS.
Ming, thanks. I have been confused by "Knicks could offer". We could offer to S&T for Duhon.

bebopdeluxe · Post #380 » by **bebopdeluxe** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 4:12 pm

I could live with Duhon for a year. However, based on the decision that they made about summer league play, I think they would rather go with the "Lou and Jrue Show" - with some cheap-azz vet PG thrown in - rather than pay $6 mil to Duhon to not rush those guys and be a team that could actually do something this year.

Thoughts, Tom or sf76?