OT: Bigger surprise? Messi to PSG vs Cristiano returns to Man Utd

[Noodlesoop]

Basketball terms: Durant signs with Celtics, LeBron signs with Cavs.

Cristiano returns to Manchester = LeBron returns to Cleveland (2014)

Messi to PSG = KD to Warriors (2016)

Sorry but it’s nothing like KD to the Warriors. PSG haven’t just dominated Europe (they haven’t won the Champs league) or broken any crazy records/considered the best team in Europe etc like the Warriors had done in 2016.

KD’s move to the Warriors was about wanting to join the better team to give himself a better chance at winning titles. Messi’s move is more about money as Barca can’t afford his salary.

[Rust_Cohle]

Basketball terms: Durant signs with Celtics, LeBron signs with Cavs.

Cristiano returns to Manchester = LeBron returns to Cleveland (2014)

Messi to PSG = KD to Warriors (2016)

Sorry but it’s nothing like KD to the Warriors. PSG haven’t just dominated Europe (they haven’t won the Champs league) or broken any crazy records/considered the best team in Europe etc like the Warriors had done in 2016.

KD’s move to the Warriors was about wanting to join the better team to give himself a better chance at winning titles. Messi’s move is more about money as Barca can’t afford his salary.

Messi wants to win one last CL. Do money helps but he genuinely felt psg was his best chance at a CL trophy. Same reason Ronaldo was considering man city despite it killing his united legacy with their fans until Fergie intervened.

[Noodlesoop]

Cristiano returns to Manchester = LeBron returns to Cleveland (2014)

Messi to PSG = KD to Warriors (2016)

Sorry but it’s nothing like KD to the Warriors. PSG haven’t just dominated Europe (they haven’t won the Champs league) or broken any crazy records/considered the best team in Europe etc like the Warriors had done in 2016.

KD’s move to the Warriors was about wanting to join the better team to give himself a better chance at winning titles. Messi’s move is more about money as Barca can’t afford his salary.

Messi wants to win one last CL. Do money helps but he genuinely felt psg was his best chance at a CL trophy. Same reason Ronaldo was considering man city despite it killing his united legacy with their fans until Fergie intervened.

I think PSG are as likely as 3-4 other teams (maybe even Barca) to win the Champs league so it’s not a material upgrade in talent etc (Mbappe is likely leaving). It’s not the same as KD who went to a team who won the title the year before, had just won the most amount of regular season games ever and he blew a 3-1 lead against. Messi also ‘tried’ to stay but apparently they were too far away from a monetary perspective - again, money didn’t play a factor with KD. KD’s move was much less justifiable.

[Rust_Cohle]

Sorry but it’s nothing like KD to the Warriors. PSG haven’t just dominated Europe (they haven’t won the Champs league) or broken any crazy records/considered the best team in Europe etc like the Warriors had done in 2016.

KD’s move to the Warriors was about wanting to join the better team to give himself a better chance at winning titles. Messi’s move is more about money as Barca can’t afford his salary.

Messi wants to win one last CL. Do money helps but he genuinely felt psg was his best chance at a CL trophy. Same reason Ronaldo was considering man city despite it killing his united legacy with their fans until Fergie intervened.

I think PSG are as likely as 3-4 other teams (maybe even Barca) to win the Champs league so it’s not a material upgrade in talent etc (Mbappe is likely leaving). It’s not the same as KD who went to a team who won the title the year before, had just won the most amount of regular season games ever and he blew a 3-1 lead against. Messi also ‘tried’ to stay but apparently they were too far away from a monetary perspective - again, money didn’t play a factor with KD. KD’s move was much less justifiable.

Oops, perhaps I misread what you initially meant. Looks like we agree.

[SecondTake]

I've never heard of any athlete as competitive as MJ, but Ronaldo is a little bit different. Ronaldo is more dedicated to winning, whereas MJ was more dedicated to beating people, if that makes sense.

Like, Ronaldo and Messi apparently get on quite well. Can you imagine MJ, if he had to play for a decade directly against a player who is just *slightly* better than him? He'd loathe that guy, whoever he was. Ronaldo did everything he could to beat Barca, but it never really seemed personal.

Or just look at Ronaldo now, trying to eke out one last set of titles. It seems like he doesn't really mind where, he just wants to keep winning, have 1 (or 2, or 3...) last chance at a major league title + CL. He must know he won't be The Man anymore in Manchester, that he'll have to defer to the likes of Bruno and Sancho as the main attacking threats. He may not even get to take penalties. Whereas MJ would never settle for second-best on his own team, even after his second retirement. I can see Ronaldo even taking a bench role in a year or two, which would be unthinkable for MJ.

Messi is not a little bit better than Ronaldo. That's BS. nice try trying to slip that into your wall of text.

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[SecondTake]

Here's the attention you ordered douchebag.

He makes a point (not specifically about soccer). Where do we draw the line? Can I make posts about e-sports as well? Maybe some chess threads? The World Series of Poker is coming up soon, we could do a thread for that as well on the Basketball General Board.

Or, we can use the off topic / other sports boards within Realgm...but those won't get you the clicks and attention you want since they're not so frequently visited.

I miss when stuff like this was locked up or moved to the proper sub forums. I'm here for basketball. Not anything else.

Also, this is like the 3rd thread I've seen on here involving Messi and Cristiano and I don't even come on here every day. Smh.

If you're gonna spew vitriol against a sport billions of people enjoy then maybe this forum isnt for you

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[Optms]

He makes a point (not specifically about soccer). Where do we draw the line? Can I make posts about e-sports as well? Maybe some chess threads? The World Series of Poker is coming up soon, we could do a thread for that as well on the Basketball General Board.

Or, we can use the off topic / other sports boards within Realgm...but those won't get you the clicks and attention you want since they're not so frequently visited.

I miss when stuff like this was locked up or moved to the proper sub forums. I'm here for basketball. Not anything else.

Also, this is like the 3rd thread I've seen on here involving Messi and Cristiano and I don't even come on here every day. Smh.

If you're gonna spew vitriol against a sport billions of people enjoy then maybe this forum isnt for you

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I didn't say one negative thing about the Sport. And your argument is poor. This is a basketball forum, specifically an NBA general discussion forum. Popularity on something unrelated to basketball should have zero barring on whether it should be allowed on here. And given how popular Soccer is, I'm sure there is a million other places these topics can be discussed. The NFL is also the crown jewel in the US. Should we allow that too? How about Baseball? There was already a Shohie Otani thread on here so I believe yes.

Again, I am not insulting the Sport. I am just saying it should not be discussed on here. But I guess these topics are allowed now so my opinion really doesn't matter.

[Capn'O]

Here's a random thought I had that I wanted to run by futball fans:

Ronaldo Nazario = Shaq
CR = LeBron
Messi = MJ

Discuss. I don't follow the sport a lot but enough to know some stars and how they are regarded. I need things explained in basketball terms to better understand.

Honestly there is nothing worse than posters trying to mod and dictate what should be posted. Some of us enjoy these OT threads so why ruin it? Don't click the thread if you don't like it.

Indeed. Backseat modding is actually a strikeable offense. As is derailing. Report and move on.

The Ronaldo Nazario-Shaq comparison doesn't really fit. Shaq didn't have a problem with injuries and I think overall, he reached his potential. He doesn't have a what-if about him besides maybe, "what if he was more motivated", but that's a personal trait of his. Ronaldo Nazario blew his knee out multiple times. Even though he was still a world class player when he returned, he was no longer El Fenemono(a phenom). If he didn't get injured, he probably would have gone down as one of the 5 best ever players, but we can only ponder about him now.

Both were physical specimens, but Ronaldo Nazario was incredibly skilled. I don't think Shaq(even for a center) was that skilled. It's hard to find an equivalent in basketball terms for Ronaldo Nazario. I don't think there is one. There's no all-time great player that got derailed by an injury.

Personally, I think Messi's personality is more akin to Lebron's and CR7's more-so resembles Jordan's. In terms of skill-set, I find it hard to think of direct comparisons, because of the differences in sport. Messi is essentially one of the best goal-scorers ever, best dribblers ever and best passers ever(especially passes in the final 3rd). It'd be like combining Curry and Magic with a dash of Kyrie into 1 I guess.

I suppose you can compare Ronaldo to MJ because Ronaldo is arguably the best goal-scorer of all time and MJ is the best scorer of all-time, but again, it's difficult. I personally have Messi above Ronaldo, but Ronaldo's drive and determination in football is probably the best I've ever seen. Jordan-like I suppose. I would say it's above Jordan's probably.

Ok fair enough. Like I said, I don't follow the sport enough to really make such comparisons but it's been a fun discussion jumping off point.

The only one I really felt good on was the Shaq comp. I just remember watching him in those 90s World Cups and it seemed like his combination of speed and power was just unstoppable in a way I haven't really seen before or since. I am also one of those guys who thinks Shaq had amazing footwork for a guy with his power. His shooting touch obviously was not that great but he was so quick to get to his spots for any center, let alone one of his size. I have also read that Ronaldo had conditioning concerns though Shaq never did get injured like that.

Walton would be a derailed ATG but the dominance/violence of Shaq's game was where my comparison was drawn.

[SharpyShuffle]

I've never heard of any athlete as competitive as MJ, but Ronaldo is a little bit different. Ronaldo is more dedicated to winning, whereas MJ was more dedicated to beating people, if that makes sense.

Like, Ronaldo and Messi apparently get on quite well. Can you imagine MJ, if he had to play for a decade directly against a player who is just *slightly* better than him? He'd loathe that guy, whoever he was. Ronaldo did everything he could to beat Barca, but it never really seemed personal.

Or just look at Ronaldo now, trying to eke out one last set of titles. It seems like he doesn't really mind where, he just wants to keep winning, have 1 (or 2, or 3...) last chance at a major league title + CL. He must know he won't be The Man anymore in Manchester, that he'll have to defer to the likes of Bruno and Sancho as the main attacking threats. He may not even get to take penalties. Whereas MJ would never settle for second-best on his own team, even after his second retirement. I can see Ronaldo even taking a bench role in a year or two, which would be unthinkable for MJ.

Messi is not a little bit better than Ronaldo. That's BS. nice try trying to slip that into your wall of text.

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Fanboys are so tiresome.
Also got to laugh at the use of the phrase "wall of text" to describe 3 very short paragraphs. Really says something about your education level.

[Lakers LeBron]

It's just hard to care about soccer when you know that America would be the best at if our best athletes were playing soccer instead of football

The World Cup would end up looking a lot like Olympic basketball every year

[ACMFFL]

It's just hard to care about soccer when you know that America would be the best at if our best athletes were playing soccer instead of football

The World Cup would end up looking a lot like Olympic basketball every year

You seem so insecure

[Rust_Cohle]

I've never heard of any athlete as competitive as MJ, but Ronaldo is a little bit different. Ronaldo is more dedicated to winning, whereas MJ was more dedicated to beating people, if that makes sense.

Like, Ronaldo and Messi apparently get on quite well. Can you imagine MJ, if he had to play for a decade directly against a player who is just *slightly* better than him? He'd loathe that guy, whoever he was. Ronaldo did everything he could to beat Barca, but it never really seemed personal.

Or just look at Ronaldo now, trying to eke out one last set of titles. It seems like he doesn't really mind where, he just wants to keep winning, have 1 (or 2, or 3...) last chance at a major league title + CL. He must know he won't be The Man anymore in Manchester, that he'll have to defer to the likes of Bruno and Sancho as the main attacking threats. He may not even get to take penalties. Whereas MJ would never settle for second-best on his own team, even after his second retirement. I can see Ronaldo even taking a bench role in a year or two, which would be unthinkable for MJ.

Messi is not a little bit better than Ronaldo. That's BS. nice try trying to slip that into your wall of text.

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Messi is more than just a little better than Ronaldo, and that’s not a slight to Ronaldo

[JN61]

Westbrook to Lakers.

[TheGOATRises007]

It's just hard to care about soccer when you know that America would be the best at if our best athletes were playing soccer instead of football

The World Cup would end up looking a lot like Olympic basketball every year

Completely misses the point of the sport if you think the best athletes are the best players.

[Battletrigger]

It's just hard to care about soccer when you know that America would be the best at if our best athletes were playing soccer instead of football

The World Cup would end up looking a lot like Olympic basketball every year

[UcanUwill]

It's just hard to care about soccer when you know that America would be the best at if our best athletes were playing soccer instead of football

The World Cup would end up looking a lot like Olympic basketball every year

Is this a satire? This is why Americans get a bad rep.

[OrlChamps2030]

Biggest surprise is having to see soccer garbage on a basketball forum.

soccer > you

Go moderate the Soccer forum and you will never have to see me again.

Sorry if I think your sport is trash (like most legitimate Americans do). Sorry if this hurts your feelings.

Legitimate Americans

You are definitely a legitimate American because I can tell your blood pressure is high AF.. chill dude it’s the off-season

[Battletrigger]

soccer > you

Go moderate the Soccer forum and you will never have to see me again.

Sorry if I think your sport is trash (like most legitimate Americans do). Sorry if this hurts your feelings.

Legitimate Americans

You are definitely a legitimate American because I can tell your blood pressure is high AF.. chill dude it’s the off-season

It's a bad joke since the first followed sport by American is football by far.

I have always though that shows very low self esteem when they call themselves Americans when they are only a part of North America with less than one third population.

[HIF]

Ronaldo back to Man U makes me feel like I'm 15 again.

Are Steven and Frankie also coming back...?

Frankie went to Hollywood.

[skones]

It's just hard to care about soccer when you know that America would be the best at if our best athletes were playing soccer instead of football

The World Cup would end up looking a lot like Olympic basketball every year

Do you often talk about things you don't understand?