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Sedale Threatt wrote:Collymore wrote:US sport isn't a competition. It's unchecked socialism. Suck long enough and you can hardly avoid winning a title because poor performance is rewarded and building on strong performance is capped.
As a Minnesota Vikings fan, I sincerely wish this was true. I’ll bet the Atlanta Hawks, Utah Jazz and Phoenix Suns fans I work with feel the same way. Alas…
Onlytimewilltel wrote:Sedale Threatt wrote:Collymore wrote:US sport isn't a competition. It's unchecked socialism. Suck long enough and you can hardly avoid winning a title because poor performance is rewarded and building on strong performance is capped.
As a Minnesota Vikings fan, I sincerely wish this was true. I’ll bet the Atlanta Hawks, Utah Jazz and Phoenix Suns fans I work with feel the same way. Alas…
Yea just idiotic untrue BS being spewed
Sgt Major wrote:Well that ain't true and you'd know that if you watched games in lower leagues, for example. In football everyone is fighting for something, unlike in the US.Raps in 4 wrote:Collymore wrote:Why is this an issue? Gimme proper dynasties instead of teams like Rayo Vallecano, Salernitana and Burnley winning the league.
Because none of those teams did anything to earn that status. They bought their way to the top. Or if they did "earn" their status, it happened a century ago, resulting in the team's value skyrocketing and then having an unlimited payroll since (since there are no competitive balance rules in European sports).
European sport isn't a competition. It's unchecked capitalism.
When a team in an American league becomes a dynasty it's because they draft and develop talent well in a league where every team has the same opportunities they do. That's impressive.
Having a dynasty because you can spend more on signing players than the rest of the league combined isn't impressive. It's a **** product for anyone but the fans of those few super rich teams.
And the most disgusting thing in sports - tanking, simply doesn't exist in football.
Collymore wrote:Onlytimewilltel wrote:Sedale Threatt wrote:
As a Minnesota Vikings fan, I sincerely wish this was true. I’ll bet the Atlanta Hawks, Utah Jazz and Phoenix Suns fans I work with feel the same way. Alas…
Yea just idiotic untrue BS being spewed
19 out of the 30 teams (64%!) today have already won a championship and the share keeps increasing. The NBA needs to get this sorted out to keep some value of a championship. It's something like 8 different champions in the last 10 years.
Why not go full participation trophy and let the losing team pick a player from the winning team after each loss in the playoffs?
JHFVF07 wrote:No discussion here, if we look at sports as an entertainment, which it is, USA model is WAY better, the "forced parity" brings a better product, even with all their problems (tank).
What I find hilarious is people talking like Madrid should be suffering cause they didnt sign Mbappe, the same guy we beat to reach UCL FInals this year or lost Haaland sign to City (a team we also beat this year), when we have the best player in the world this year (Benzema), and two young strikers (20 and 21 years) who just helped the team reach the UCL finals.
Madrid should focus on finding an elite midfielder.
Effin moronicBadWolf wrote:As a long time football watcher I must say it's getting out of hand, money ruined any competition that was there.
Sadly there's no chance salary cap would work in EU. And the biggest teams works just say **** you to Uefa and do the Superleague.
JDR720 wrote:The reason it's an issue is because it's just...very boring.
Why have these past couple years of NBA playoffs / regular season been so good? Because no one of really know what will happen. It's fun and exciting. Who wins the title this season? No clue. Next season? You can make a case for half a dozen teams. Speculation and debate on who is going to do what is fun. The entire point of sports, for a fan, is entertainment.
Compare this to the Heat w/ LeBron and KD/Steph/Klay/Dray in GS. It's basically a forgone conclusion, before the season even started, as to who is going to win the title. Or at least be in the Finals. And that makes it boring.
Why bother to watch the Bundesliga? Bayern are going to win. PSG will role the French league, with or without Mbappe. Spain is at least interesting, because Barcelona and Real Madrid are always fighting each other. But the rest of the league is meh. MC are widening the gap between them and the rest in the EPL. They've spent literally hundreds of millions on their roster. That goes well beyond the TV deal. They're funded by oil, literally. Newcastle will probably start to spend like them, because they're also funded by oil. Just like PSG are, who spend more then the rest of French football combined.
Real Madrid don't have any legs to stand on. They've done the exact same thing to smaller clubs/leagues. But this still highlights the issues I posted. The gap is increasing, to the point where even huge clubs like Madrid can't compete financially because another club can pay literally half a billion for a player (if the salary + signing bonus for Mbappe is true).
Sgt Major wrote:Well that ain't true and you'd know that if you watched games in lower leagues, for example. In football everyone is fighting for something, unlike in the US.Raps in 4 wrote:Collymore wrote:Why is this an issue? Gimme proper dynasties instead of teams like Rayo Vallecano, Salernitana and Burnley winning the league.
Because none of those teams did anything to earn that status. They bought their way to the top. Or if they did "earn" their status, it happened a century ago, resulting in the team's value skyrocketing and then having an unlimited payroll since (since there are no competitive balance rules in European sports).
European sport isn't a competition. It's unchecked capitalism.
When a team in an American league becomes a dynasty it's because they draft and develop talent well in a league where every team has the same opportunities they do. That's impressive.
Having a dynasty because you can spend more on signing players than the rest of the league combined isn't impressive. It's a **** product for anyone but the fans of those few super rich teams.
And the most disgusting thing in sports - tanking, simply doesn't exist in football.
Dominater wrote:Damn Cactus jack takin over
Roscoe Sheed wrote:Balls Deep wrote:Roscoe Sheed wrote:I still cannot understand the appeal of soccer- I've tried, but I just can't get into it. I've got friends who love it and think it is the best sport in the world, but I'd rather watch at least 6 other sports than soccer.
Some sports are just not for everyone I guess. I feel the same way about baseball and have no idea how anyone watches it. Never tried to get into it, but I can’t watch it on TV for more than 10 min.
But I love football and enjoy it as much as basketball tbh. The free flowing nature, no commercials, the fact that you don’t have to be a genetic freak to be special, the Champions League.. I could go on and on
I respect the sport- they are great athletes. I think I might enjoy it more if they allowed players to come in and out of the game- it would likely increase the pace of the game because they wouldn't have to conserve so much energy. I also find it absurd that they decide the game on penalty kicks after one overtime- it is almost akin to deciding a basketball game on a free throw shooting or 3 point shooting contest.
UcanUwill wrote:Roscoe Sheed wrote:Balls Deep wrote:
Some sports are just not for everyone I guess. I feel the same way about baseball and have no idea how anyone watches it. Never tried to get into it, but I can’t watch it on TV for more than 10 min.
But I love football and enjoy it as much as basketball tbh. The free flowing nature, no commercials, the fact that you don’t have to be a genetic freak to be special, the Champions League.. I could go on and on
I respect the sport- they are great athletes. I think I might enjoy it more if they allowed players to come in and out of the game- it would likely increase the pace of the game because they wouldn't have to conserve so much energy. I also find it absurd that they decide the game on penalty kicks after one overtime- it is almost akin to deciding a basketball game on a free throw shooting or 3 point shooting contest.
Can't believe this penalty take. Soccer OT is 30 minutes, that is more than enough to still decide the game before penalties. Its a very demanding game and suggest players play more than 120 minutes already is just not practical, and anyway, penalties is one of the most exiting things in all sports, and you compare it to a shoot off?
Dominater wrote:Damn Cactus jack takin over
Cactus Jack wrote:UcanUwill wrote:Roscoe Sheed wrote:I respect the sport- they are great athletes. I think I might enjoy it more if they allowed players to come in and out of the game- it would likely increase the pace of the game because they wouldn't have to conserve so much energy. I also find it absurd that they decide the game on penalty kicks after one overtime- it is almost akin to deciding a basketball game on a free throw shooting or 3 point shooting contest.
Can't believe this penalty take. Soccer OT is 30 minutes, that is more than enough to still decide the game before penalties. Its a very demanding game and suggest players play more than 120 minutes already is just not practical, and anyway, penalties is one of the most exiting things in all sports, and you compare it to a shoot off?
The one thing I would change is to make it sudden death. The first team to score wins like in Hockey. Playing a full 30 minutes is pointless. But that's just one guys opinion.
Let them play until someone scores. Then the match is over. Simple.
Onlytimewilltel wrote:Sgt Major wrote:Well that ain't true and you'd know that if you watched games in lower leagues, for example. In football everyone is fighting for something, unlike in the US.Raps in 4 wrote:
Because none of those teams did anything to earn that status. They bought their way to the top. Or if they did "earn" their status, it happened a century ago, resulting in the team's value skyrocketing and then having an unlimited payroll since (since there are no competitive balance rules in European sports).
European sport isn't a competition. It's unchecked capitalism.
When a team in an American league becomes a dynasty it's because they draft and develop talent well in a league where every team has the same opportunities they do. That's impressive.
Having a dynasty because you can spend more on signing players than the rest of the league combined isn't impressive. It's a **** product for anyone but the fans of those few super rich teams.
And the most disgusting thing in sports - tanking, simply doesn't exist in football.
I do agree that everyone in euro soccer is fighting for something, the issue is that typically all the other teams except the top team or top two teams are fighting for staying in the league, not actually winning it.
And I agree that tanking sucks and I do hope they keep working on ways to improve it or reduce the incentive (they’ve already done some of that), but at least in US we don’t know who the champion is gonna be for the next 30 years.
Euro league soccer is a joke when it comes to that. I mean look at the salaries in league 1 for example:
https://soccerprime.com/ligue-1-player-salaries/
How could someone say that this “ain’t true and you’d know that if you watched the games” lol. PSG salaries are freaking almost three times as much as the next team, not even looking at the other poor losers.
Or Bundesliga:
https://soccerprime.com/bundesliga-player-salaries/
Does there seem to be an enormous discrepancy between Bayern player salaries and everyone else? Heck even Borusia Dortmund are so far beneath, and then the rest of the poor suckers.
It’s a joke. Like I said I don’t like the tanking and hope they keep improving that. But it’s a lot more fair to have an actual rule on how much a team can spend so that all teams in the league are held to the same rules.
It’s dumb that you know exactly who the league winners will be years in advance because those are the only team or two teams that have a chance. I mean Bayern has been the Bundesleaga champion for literally 10 years straight. (I wonder if it has anything to do with having 2 or three times more salary compared to other teams)
PSG won 8 out of last 10 league titles. Shocker!!
Sgt Major wrote:Onlytimewilltel wrote:Sgt Major wrote:Well that ain't true and you'd know that if you watched games in lower leagues, for example. In football everyone is fighting for something, unlike in the US.
And the most disgusting thing in sports - tanking, simply doesn't exist in football.
I do agree that everyone in euro soccer is fighting for something, the issue is that typically all the other teams except the top team or top two teams are fighting for staying in the league, not actually winning it.
And I agree that tanking sucks and I do hope they keep working on ways to improve it or reduce the incentive (they’ve already done some of that), but at least in US we don’t know who the champion is gonna be for the next 30 years.
Euro league soccer is a joke when it comes to that. I mean look at the salaries in league 1 for example:
https://soccerprime.com/ligue-1-player-salaries/
How could someone say that this “ain’t true and you’d know that if you watched the games” lol. PSG salaries are freaking almost three times as much as the next team, not even looking at the other poor losers.
Or Bundesliga:
https://soccerprime.com/bundesliga-player-salaries/
Does there seem to be an enormous discrepancy between Bayern player salaries and everyone else? Heck even Borusia Dortmund are so far beneath, and then the rest of the poor suckers.
It’s a joke. Like I said I don’t like the tanking and hope they keep improving that. But it’s a lot more fair to have an actual rule on how much a team can spend so that all teams in the league are held to the same rules.
It’s dumb that you know exactly who the league winners will be years in advance because those are the only team or two teams that have a chance. I mean Bayern has been the Bundesleaga champion for literally 10 years straight. (I wonder if it has anything to do with having 2 or three times more salary compared to other teams)
PSG won 8 out of last 10 league titles. Shocker!!
No one watches French football except the French, but PSG never fails to entertain the world with bottling in the Champions League.
German league is a bloodbath, look at the 2. Bundesliga table - Schalke, Werder, Hamburger... Those teams won the Bundesliga in the last 20 years. Yeah, Bayern will win the league almost every year, but my point is that European sports is not only about domestic championships - there are international competitions, domestic cups, relegation and promotion battles, fights for the spots that guarantee place in the European cups.. None of that exists in the US.
Balls Deep wrote:Wallace_Wallace wrote:I mean if there is no salary cap in Europe he should negotiate for anything he wants, has nothing to do with being a snake….especially if he’s staying on the same team (not like Figo from Barca to Madrid, Ashley Cole from Arsenal to Chelsea, etc).
He’s a snake for dragging Madrid on. He could have signed an extension with PSG last year, but milked it until the last second. Madrid could have made a serious move for Haaland if they knew this earlier, now he’s gone to Man City. They lost out on the two best prospects because of this mess. He also would have made a lot of money at Madrid because if endorsements. The amount of exposure that comes with wearing the white shirt is crazy. Now he’s back to dominating a scrub league. He chose money over greatness.
Bruin wrote:azcatz11 wrote:Is this dude better than Ronaldo?
Current Ronaldo yes. Prime Ronaldo, no. He’s still just 23 though and is on pace to becoming GOAT. Deciding to stay in a weaker league for money probably knocks him off that path though sadly
Coach Carter wrote:This year is a wash and most of us know it.
Raps in 4 wrote:Sgt Major wrote:Onlytimewilltel wrote:
I do agree that everyone in euro soccer is fighting for something, the issue is that typically all the other teams except the top team or top two teams are fighting for staying in the league, not actually winning it.
And I agree that tanking sucks and I do hope they keep working on ways to improve it or reduce the incentive (they’ve already done some of that), but at least in US we don’t know who the champion is gonna be for the next 30 years.
Euro league soccer is a joke when it comes to that. I mean look at the salaries in league 1 for example:
https://soccerprime.com/ligue-1-player-salaries/
How could someone say that this “ain’t true and you’d know that if you watched the games” lol. PSG salaries are freaking almost three times as much as the next team, not even looking at the other poor losers.
Or Bundesliga:
https://soccerprime.com/bundesliga-player-salaries/
Does there seem to be an enormous discrepancy between Bayern player salaries and everyone else? Heck even Borusia Dortmund are so far beneath, and then the rest of the poor suckers.
It’s a joke. Like I said I don’t like the tanking and hope they keep improving that. But it’s a lot more fair to have an actual rule on how much a team can spend so that all teams in the league are held to the same rules.
It’s dumb that you know exactly who the league winners will be years in advance because those are the only team or two teams that have a chance. I mean Bayern has been the Bundesleaga champion for literally 10 years straight. (I wonder if it has anything to do with having 2 or three times more salary compared to other teams)
PSG won 8 out of last 10 league titles. Shocker!!
No one watches French football except the French, but PSG never fails to entertain the world with bottling in the Champions League.
German league is a bloodbath, look at the 2. Bundesliga table - Schalke, Werder, Hamburger... Those teams won the Bundesliga in the last 20 years. Yeah, Bayern will win the league almost every year, but my point is that European sports is not only about domestic championships - there are international competitions, domestic cups, relegation and promotion battles, fights for the spots that guarantee place in the European cups.. None of that exists in the US.
It doesn't exist in American sports because every team has the opportunity to win the title in American sports.
Fans of European teams are forced to set lesser goals in order to find entertainment in watching their team because they are forever locked out of competing for the title.
UcanUwill wrote:Roscoe Sheed wrote:Balls Deep wrote:
Some sports are just not for everyone I guess. I feel the same way about baseball and have no idea how anyone watches it. Never tried to get into it, but I can’t watch it on TV for more than 10 min.
But I love football and enjoy it as much as basketball tbh. The free flowing nature, no commercials, the fact that you don’t have to be a genetic freak to be special, the Champions League.. I could go on and on
I respect the sport- they are great athletes. I think I might enjoy it more if they allowed players to come in and out of the game- it would likely increase the pace of the game because they wouldn't have to conserve so much energy. I also find it absurd that they decide the game on penalty kicks after one overtime- it is almost akin to deciding a basketball game on a free throw shooting or 3 point shooting contest.
Can't believe this penalty take. Soccer OT is 30 minutes, that is more than enough to still decide the game before penalties. Its a very demanding game and suggest players play more than 120 minutes already is just not practical, and anyway, penalties is one of the most exiting things in all sports, and you compare it to a shoot off?
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