Game 37: Phoenix Suns (19-17) @ LA Clippers (22-13) | Monday | 8:30PM

AtheJ415 · Post #101 » by **AtheJ415** » Tue Jan 9, 2024 5:42 am

Saberestar wrote:19-18 after this L, results are everything.

Vogel is in the hot seat for sure.

This team is not improving. We got Beal back. What changed? We have had the EASIEST SOS IN THE LEAGUE and are .500. The inuries were NEVER the excuse our coaches and players used them as because we have a drastic talent advantage against teams like the Spurs and Grizzlies.

Time for this team to grow up, take some accountability, and do something to actually improve the WAY we play.

SunsRback4Good · Post #102 » by **SunsRback4Good** » Tue Jan 9, 2024 5:43 am

Maze wrote:I might have to take a couple weeks off.

Don’t worry help is on its way. Can’t wait till Vogel gets fired and Suns hire Matt Ishbias buddy Isiah Thomas. He was an outstanding GM and his coaching career was not great due to being in NYC. Now on the Suns I can see him prevail and earn trust from his team.

AtheJ415 · Post #103 » by **AtheJ415** » Tue Jan 9, 2024 5:45 am

Suns will finish this 4th -20. And people can blame the bench but the Clippers bench isn't all that much better than ours. Like Westbrook is good but Gordon is not a slouch on our end. They do have Powell, but it's time we actually look at our starters because it seems like the only lineup that works for us is with all 5 starters. If we sub even 1 guy out we fall off a cliff. We should not be dropping that far off. It's coaching and effort. It really is. Our guys, including our stars, don't focus on the details and get lost on both ends WAY too often every single **** game

garrick · Post #104 » by **garrick** » Tue Jan 9, 2024 5:45 am

Point Book has to stop ASAP.

Make Beal come off the bench if necessary but running a very small lineup of Booker, Grayson & Beal is just asking for trouble since none of them can handle the ball that well.

sunsfan1o1 · Post #105 » by **sunsfan1o1** » Tue Jan 9, 2024 5:46 am

AtheJ415 wrote:We have all of our stars on the court at the same time. And the offense once again is awful in the 4th. It's KD chucking contested 3s while nobody moves and nobody does anything. Defensively nobody rebounds.

We are literally no better as a team than we were game 5. This team deserves to be obliterated. You cannot force fans to look at this as remotely acceptable. Vogel and Young need to have been fired so very **** long ago

The problem is Booker. He’s one of the worst defenders in the league. Then he shoots a lot on iso not teammate involvement and inconsistent
As soon as he comes in at the end of 2nd quarter and the entire 3rd quarter the team falls apart.
He’s a liability on defense. His minutes rotation needs to change. He can’t be playing entire quarters.

Post #106 » by **Qwigglez** » Tue Jan 9, 2024 5:46 am

Suns lack heart. Taking plays off both on offense and defense. Those little things add up. This is why CP3 was so meticulous about everything. It's almost like Booker forgot everything that CP3 has taught. I really did not think this team would look so awful. It's all mental though. Every player needs to look within themselves and start giving more of a **** about the little things.

grumpysaddle · Post #107 » by **grumpysaddle** » Tue Jan 9, 2024 5:47 am

I think Frank Vogel misspoke when he said "We're gonna be a scrappy team" by adding that 's' in there.

Post #108 » by **lilfishi22** » Tue Jan 9, 2024 5:48 am

I don't think I've ever seen a team turn completely incompetent the moment the 4th quarter begins.

Like we've all seen bad teams that is crap in every quarter, we've seen teams that can't close out late in the games because of the lack of experience/talent and we've seen teams occasionally choke away the 4th quarter. But I've never seen a team consistently turn into complete doodoo all of a sudden in the 4th, let alone a team with this much firepower. It makes so little sense to me, it's truly baffling.

grumpysaddle · Post #109 » by **grumpysaddle** » Tue Jan 9, 2024 5:49 am

I'm good with getting absolutely blown the f**k out here. Maybe it will actually make something happen.

Golanator · Post #110 » by **Golanator** » Tue Jan 9, 2024 5:50 am

We might be in trouble. I don't know how you can fix this.

Maze · Post #111 » by **Maze** » Tue Jan 9, 2024 5:52 am

Now the refs are giving the Suns some ticky tack calls.Guess it'll make it look closer to fair on the stat sheet.

KLEON · Post #112 » by **KLEON** » Tue Jan 9, 2024 5:52 am

Mark Jackson

AtheJ415 · Post #113 » by **AtheJ415** » Tue Jan 9, 2024 5:52 am

Golanator wrote:We might be in trouble. I don't know how you can fix this.

Trade KD for Ty Lue

Post #114 » by **lilfishi22** » Tue Jan 9, 2024 5:52 am

Golanator wrote:We might be in trouble. I don't know how you can fix this.

The easiest change is always to change coaches. Moving guys around is difficult because of the salary cap but coaching staff is outside of those limitations so we may just need to pull the plug

Stix · Post #115 » by **Stix** » Tue Jan 9, 2024 5:52 am

Beal not moving the needle. Any stats he puts up are empty because you can get the same production, if not more, from Grayson. If we had traded Ayton first, they wouldve never traded for Beal. Beal is a huge problem now because he eats up 46mil in salary and can go down at any time with the break of a nail.

AtheJ415 · Post #116 » by **AtheJ415** » Tue Jan 9, 2024 5:54 am

Reality is at the end of the day, we traded CP3, Crowder, Mikal, and Cam for a bunch of guys who don't do the little things. We have a bunch of primary scorers and shooters who are only happy when they have the ball and get their shots. Nobody on this team is willing to sacrifice and win by grabbing rebounds, diving for loose balls, defending, being in proper helpside defense, etc.. We overhelp for 0 reason due to lack of mental awareness despite having a bunch of guys with 10 years experience in the league. We turn the ball over by passing it directly to the other team.

Post #117 » by **Qwigglez** » Tue Jan 9, 2024 5:55 am

Golanator wrote:We might be in trouble. I don't know how you can fix this.

Is it possible to fix?
Suns put all of their eggs into one basket and now the eggs are rotten. We don't have any draft capital, we don't have any youth, we don't have any cap space. A new coach might be refreshing, but we aren't getting a Tyron Lue clone.
Suns seriously need to find it within themselves. The issue is, I don't recall any team just turning things around, and while I don't think the players will resent each other, they will simply just ask to be traded. There is no accountability anymore.

MrMiyagi · Post #118 » by **MrMiyagi** » Tue Jan 9, 2024 5:56 am

Big 3: 2-4
Book/KD: 9-6
Book/Beal: 3-1
Beal/KD: 1-2
KD: 2-4
Book: 2-1
Beal: 0-0

Total: 19-18

darealjuice · Post #119 » by **darealjuice** » Tue Jan 9, 2024 5:57 am

We have to be the worst 4th quarter team in history. We weren’t winning this either way, but wow. This team is bad for your health.

Maze · Post #120 » by **Maze** » Tue Jan 9, 2024 5:58 am

lilfishi22 wrote:I don't think I've ever seen a team turn completely incompetent the moment the 4th quarter begins.

Like we've all seen bad teams that is crap in every quarter, we've seen teams that can't close out late in the games because of the lack of experience/talent and we've seen teams occasionally choke away the 4th quarter. But I've never seen a team consistently turn into complete doodoo all of a sudden in the 4th, let alone a team with this much firepower. It makes so little sense to me, it's truly baffling.

Yeah if it wasn't for the refs giving us pity FT's towards the end of the game, we might've only score 12 points in the 4th.