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Revived wrote:

Klomp wrote:

Puff wrote:I do not know if I can watch another game coached by Vogel.

That might actually be the right big move for them to make.

Has Vogel always been such a big "midrange" coach? Just thinking about the teams he's had success with, AD and LeBron live there a lot, and those Pacers teams had guys like Dvid West and Paul George.

I think that's one of the big things that did them in. In part without Grayson Allen for the series, Minnesota attempted 20 more 3-pointers in the series. For decades, Minnesota was way behind in the 3-point math, but Chris Finch turned that around. Phoenix has good (even great) three-point shooters in Durant, Booker and Beal but they just didn't take enough of them.

Our players are stubborn and always take the most inefficient shot in basketball (midrange).

Booker will pass up wide open 3s to take a heavy contested midrange at least 3-4x a game. KD same thing. I don’t know what the hell Beal be doing out there.

Klomp wrote:

Revived wrote:

Klomp wrote:That might actually be the right big move for them to make.

Has Vogel always been such a big "midrange" coach? Just thinking about the teams he's had success with, AD and LeBron live there a lot, and those Pacers teams had guys like Dvid West and Paul George.

I think that's one of the big things that did them in. In part without Grayson Allen for the series, Minnesota attempted 20 more 3-pointers in the series. For decades, Minnesota was way behind in the 3-point math, but Chris Finch turned that around. Phoenix has good (even great) three-point shooters in Durant, Booker and Beal but they just didn't take enough of them.

Our players are stubborn and always take the most inefficient shot in basketball (midrange).

Booker will pass up wide open 3s to take a heavy contested midrange at least 3-4x a game. KD same thing. I don’t know what the hell Beal be doing out there.

Just looking at career numbers....Beal should've been putting up 3s at Grayson's rate. 43% shooter but only put up 4 per game. Durant a career 39% shooter but has never averaged seven 3s a game. Booker probably was at or close to his peak volume/efficiency combo, though he could easily be doing more if he wanted to.

Klomp wrote:

Revived wrote:

Klomp wrote:That might actually be the right big move for them to make.

Has Vogel always been such a big "midrange" coach? Just thinking about the teams he's had success with, AD and LeBron live there a lot, and those Pacers teams had guys like Dvid West and Paul George.

I think that's one of the big things that did them in. In part without Grayson Allen for the series, Minnesota attempted 20 more 3-pointers in the series. For decades, Minnesota was way behind in the 3-point math, but Chris Finch turned that around. Phoenix has good (even great) three-point shooters in Durant, Booker and Beal but they just didn't take enough of them.

Our players are stubborn and always take the most inefficient shot in basketball (midrange).

Booker will pass up wide open 3s to take a heavy contested midrange at least 3-4x a game. KD same thing. I don’t know what the hell Beal be doing out there.

Just looking at career numbers....Beal should've been putting up 3s at Grayson's rate. 43% shooter but only put up 4 per game. Durant a career 39% shooter but has never averaged seven 3s a game. Booker probably was at or close to his peak volume/efficiency combo, though he could easily be doing more if he wanted to.

enigmatics wrote:26 meager 3pts attempts in an elimination game.

It was the same crap all season. A team literally put together to chuck - who wouldn't chuck. You can't NOT play defense especially PERIMETER defense and then trade midrange jumpers for 3's. Vogel let it happen because he couldn't stand up to the egos on the team who fancied themselves as the mid-range ISO maestros.

Klomp wrote:

enigmatics wrote:26 meager 3pts attempts in an elimination game.

It was the same crap all season. A team literally put together to chuck - who wouldn't chuck. You can't NOT play defense especially PERIMETER defense and then trade midrange jumpers for 3's. Vogel let it happen because he couldn't stand up to the egos on the team who fancied themselves as the mid-range ISO maestros.

Grayson Allen's injury changed the trajectory of the entire series.

There's a reason he averaged 19 ppg against Minnesota in the regular season when his season average was only 13 ppg.

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TeamTragic wrote:

SkyBill40 wrote:How long after the series is over before Vogel is fired?

Well apparently Jones is safe and Vogel has "full support" which appears to signal that we are going to run it back

This season is the least games I’ve watched since 01 season and if they are indeed running back with same personnel I don’t think my heart can take 10 games next season. They play such a boring, bland type of ball that even middle school kids would refuse to watch. Feels like we have a bunch of Carmelo’s, JR Smith’s, Crawford’s & McGee’s on our team.