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Spin Move wrote:Having the night to think this over, I feel this was a big overpay given Durant's age and just how much we gave up. Bridges is probably worth 1-2 firsts, Jae Crowder got a ton fo secconds. Cam Johnson is worth a high 2nd or late first, along with some far out 1sts with no protection.

Who were we bidding against'? None of the teams with more assets would have wanted to pull the trigger, basketball wise for this year and next this is a great move, but in 5 years if we dont win a title this will be a huge regret. Seems like the owner was a little over eager to make a move and overpayed by too much. Love Durant, he gives us a chance to win a title but the depth is really not there so I would question just how good our odds are. Maybe we will get some buyout cannidates and then we will hae more dept.

bwgood77 wrote:

WeekapaugGroove wrote:

sashaturiaf wrote:4 unprotected picks and a swap is a lot, but Suns have just paid the price for a legit 3 season championship window. Helps immeasurably that the Western conference is so wide open. If the Suns make 2 finals and win a title during the window nobodies going to be upset about losing a 2029 first rounder.

Success also breeds more success. The franchise under Ishbia will also gain a lot more prestige which will be a factor in future trades and free agency. Suns have just become a legit destination now for ring chasers and buyout guys.

This. We have to stop thinking like this is a middle market franchise because I don't think Ishbia is thinking like that.

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At some point the repeater tax will not be bearable I imagine. He is not insanely rich relatively speaking in comparison to other owners. Hundreds of millions in tax bills is a lot. Now if he is turning a massive profit it may not matter but not sure if he will.

Spin Move wrote:Having the night to think this over, I feel this was a big overpay given Durant's age and just how much we gave up. Bridges is probably worth 1-2 firsts, Jae Crowder got a ton fo secconds. Cam Johnson is worth a high 2nd or late first, along with some far out 1sts with no protection.

Who were we bidding against'? None of the teams with more assets would have wanted to pull the trigger, basketball wise for this year and next this is a great move, but in 5 years if we dont win a title this will be a huge regret. Seems like the owner was a little over eager to make a move and overpayed by too much. Love Durant, he gives us a chance to win a title but the depth is really not there so I would question just how good our odds are. Maybe we will get some buyout cannidates and then we will hae more dept.

Monty Williams can’t talk about the trade yet because it’s not official but he did reference the experience he’s had with KD both in OKC and with USA Basketball: “Kevin is the hardest worker I’ve been around.”

suns12345 wrote:Question for everyone I genuinely can't decide the answer to:

Assuming health, how much value does durant lose over the next year... is this a lower risk move in that if we don't win this year, and next year is going not great, we can deal durant for a similar package in a years time?

I remember Zach Lowe saying all these huge draft packages for stars aren't as big of a deal as they seem because the team can just move them on again and recoup what they have lost... However, one of my main concerns with this trade is not knowing how much Durant's value limits our ability to do this... But people would trade what we just did for 38 year old Lebron I think, and so why not do that for 36 year old durant for example?

lilfishi22 wrote:

suns12345 wrote:Question for everyone I genuinely can't decide the answer to:

Assuming health, how much value does durant lose over the next year... is this a lower risk move in that if we don't win this year, and next year is going not great, we can deal durant for a similar package in a years time?

I remember Zach Lowe saying all these huge draft packages for stars aren't as big of a deal as they seem because the team can just move them on again and recoup what they have lost... However, one of my main concerns with this trade is not knowing how much Durant's value limits our ability to do this... But people would trade what we just did for 38 year old Lebron I think, and so why not do that for 36 year old durant for example?

KD should always be moveable but you never make a trade on the premise you'll get something similar back in return if it doesn't work out because rarely is that the case and even more rare for guys heading into their mid-30's. If CP3 didn't work out after a few seasons and we decided to move on from him, I highly doubt we would be able to get the equivalent of a Rubio/Oubre and pick back

No matter what, you're going to take a loss somewhere

WELCOME TO THE VALLEY, KD!

KEVIN DURANT IS A PHOENIX SUN.

suns12345 wrote:

lilfishi22 wrote:

suns12345 wrote:Question for everyone I genuinely can't decide the answer to:

Assuming health, how much value does durant lose over the next year... is this a lower risk move in that if we don't win this year, and next year is going not great, we can deal durant for a similar package in a years time?

I remember Zach Lowe saying all these huge draft packages for stars aren't as big of a deal as they seem because the team can just move them on again and recoup what they have lost... However, one of my main concerns with this trade is not knowing how much Durant's value limits our ability to do this... But people would trade what we just did for 38 year old Lebron I think, and so why not do that for 36 year old durant for example?

KD should always be moveable but you never make a trade on the premise you'll get something similar back in return if it doesn't work out because rarely is that the case and even more rare for guys heading into their mid-30's. If CP3 didn't work out after a few seasons and we decided to move on from him, I highly doubt we would be able to get the equivalent of a Rubio/Oubre and pick back

No matter what, you're going to take a loss somewhere

But I suppose the logic is we get a legit shot at a title for two years and that's worth Mikal and the extra pick we never get back in the subsequent trade for example.

I take your point though

sashaturiaf wrote:

bwgood77 wrote:

sashaturiaf wrote:4 unprotected picks and a swap is a lot, but Suns have just paid the price for a legit 3 season championship window. Helps immeasurably that the Western conference is so wide open. If the Suns make 2 finals and win a title during the window nobodies going to be upset about losing a 2029 first rounder.

Success also breeds more success. The franchise under Ishbia will also gain a lot more prestige which will be a factor in future trades and free agency. Suns have just become a legit destination now for ring chasers and buyout guys.

Are you a Nets fan or Suns fan or KD fan? I see your Suns logo but also see you posting last night on Nets board as "we".

I'm a nets fan but KD is my favorite player. I still can't fully process that our incompetent FO traded someone like KD with 3+ years left on his contract, even after all the boneheaded moves they've made in the past 2 seasons so I'm rocking the Suns logo till KD gets a chip in Arizona.

So I'd say I'm a suns fan by default now. It's not like the Suns and Nets fandom will clash with each other anytime soon. BKN is in the East and playing for the play-ins for the immediate future

WeekapaugGroove wrote:

bwgood77 wrote:

WeekapaugGroove wrote:This. We have to stop thinking like this is a middle market franchise because I don't think Ishbia is thinking like that.

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At some point the repeater tax will not be bearable I imagine. He is not insanely rich relatively speaking in comparison to other owners. Hundreds of millions in tax bills is a lot. Now if he is turning a massive profit it may not matter but not sure if he will.

Money is only one aspect, it's also about finally acting like this is a destination. Which is absolutely is now that Sarvers idiot ass is gone.

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Maf wrote:Wow you guys... I am totally shocked by your reactions to this trade. Like every fan of the teams that might be thinking "this could be our year, we could have a shot" are now thinking "how the hell we could beat THAT!"

Yet you are complaining about losing your favourite role players? Sorry, didn´t come here to start any fights but like noone ever thought "oh, we are playing the Suns, I am afraid what Bridges can do to us."


I tried to express my shock that rest of the league is scared **** by your team right now and yet you are unhappy.