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Re: Game 12: Phoenix Suns (5-6) @ Utah Jazz (4-7) |ESPN| In-Season Tournament| 11/17 

Post#81 » by enigmatics » Sat Nov 18, 2023 5:47 am

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enigmatics wrote:Scary when these guys gave up almost 40 to Jordan freaking Clarkson.

He's been hitting mostly fricking circus shots he had no business hitting.


Dude hit 14 shots bud. Not all of those were circus - it was chitty guard/wing D all night.
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Post#82 » by Saberestar » Sat Nov 18, 2023 5:48 am

KD and Book.

Book and KD.
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Post#83 » by grumpysaddle » Sat Nov 18, 2023 5:49 am

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enigmatics wrote:Scary when these guys gave up almost 40 to Jordan freaking Clarkson.

He's been hitting mostly fricking circus shots he had no business hitting.


Dude hit 14 shots bud. Not all of those were circus - it was chitty guard/wing D all night.

Like... 8 of them were at least. And like KD said in the postgame thing, no one played defense tonight. At least we played more offense than them tonight.
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Post#84 » by Qwigglez » Sat Nov 18, 2023 5:49 am

Okogie should be losing his minutes to Little. -14 for the game. Good win overal. Clarkson was ridiculous... but not as ridiculous as Kevin Durant. Book with a career high 15 assists, but that is probably easy to get when you got KD hitting shots.
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Post#85 » by Saberestar » Sat Nov 18, 2023 5:49 am

That dagger from KD was beautiful.
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Post#86 » by grumpysaddle » Sat Nov 18, 2023 5:51 am

Qwigglez wrote:Okogie should be losing his minutes to Little. -14 for the game. Good win overal. Clarkson was ridiculous... but not as ridiculous as Kevin Durant. Book with a career high 15 assists, but that is probably easy to get when you got KD hitting shots.

Definitely need to find a way to upgrade on Okogie. Maybe it hurts the Suns less when/if Beal finally comes back and is fully healthy. JO can swing momentum in rare games with his hustle and D, but other teams literally can play 5 on 4 defensively.
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Post#87 » by spanishninja » Sat Nov 18, 2023 5:51 am

single digit turnoverd and 30+ assists in last two games. keep that up please

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Post#88 » by sunsbg » Sat Nov 18, 2023 5:52 am

KD and Book are great. Now stay healthy.
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Post#89 » by dremill24 » Sat Nov 18, 2023 5:56 am

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enigmatics wrote:
grumpysaddle wrote:He's been hitting mostly fricking circus shots he had no business hitting.


Dude hit 14 shots bud. Not all of those were circus - it was chitty guard/wing D all night.

Like... 8 of them were at least. And like KD said in the postgame thing, no one played defense tonight. At least we played more offense than them tonight.


So we're just cool w/ that?
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Post#90 » by Jdiddy701 » Sat Nov 18, 2023 5:58 am

enigmatics wrote:
grumpysaddle wrote:
enigmatics wrote:Scary when these guys gave up almost 40 to Jordan freaking Clarkson.

He's been hitting mostly fricking circus shots he had no business hitting.


Dude hit 14 shots bud. Not all of those were circus - it was chitty guard/wing D all night.

Idk man, Clarkson was hitting some unreal shots, but that’s honestly how he likes it. Suns did give up some easy shots to him but overall was just better offense. The jazz have some good players on their team. They’re fun to watch.


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Post#91 » by dremill24 » Sat Nov 18, 2023 6:00 am

enigmatics wrote:Man can we go back and NOT sign EG?

The amount of bonehead shots he takes is unreal. Stay at home at three or nothing at all please.


He certainly hasnt been great...particularly on defense.
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Post#92 » by AtheJ415 » Sat Nov 18, 2023 6:08 am

dremill24 wrote:
grumpysaddle wrote:
enigmatics wrote:
Dude hit 14 shots bud. Not all of those were circus - it was chitty guard/wing D all night.

Like... 8 of them were at least. And like KD said in the postgame thing, no one played defense tonight. At least we played more offense than them tonight.


So we're just cool w/ that?


Yeah, I'm furious about this team and the attitude. I have never seen a player in recent memory who tries less on the defensive end than Eric Gordon. When anybody turns it over and he's the man back he gets out of the way and gives up the dunk. He often loses his man when defending off ball. He frequently helps for absolutely no reason on guys already covered or even tonight he did so when the big slid down to help leading to a wide open and made 3 by Clarkson.

He is a joke. I get he's old and slower and I don't expect elite defense from him at all but I expect him to be engaged and to put forth effort. This team acts too cool to try and Im tired of the "wait until we are healthy" excuse. We should not need overhwelming talent to beat the Spurs, Jazz, or this terrible Laker team.

And it's not just on defense. On offense we allow guys to make terrible decisions. Goodwin going for the crazy dunk over Horton-Tucker when both Booker and Little were there for dump offs which would guarantee a dunk or and-1. We also are in the habit of bitching at the refs or laughing about a play while the other team sprints down and plays with numbers. Our entire team was asleep on n inbound leading to a dunk. I watch a lot throughout the league. Our effort level is inexcusable. Our focus in inexcusable. THe only team who plays less serious than us is the Wizards.
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Post#93 » by sashaturiaf » Sat Nov 18, 2023 6:13 am

dremill24 wrote:
enigmatics wrote:Man can we go back and NOT sign EG?

The amount of bonehead shots he takes is unreal. Stay at home at three or nothing at all please.


He certainly hasnt been great...particularly on defense.


That's the disappointing part. There was a time a few seasons back when he was a bit of a stopper.
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Post#94 » by AtheJ415 » Sat Nov 18, 2023 6:13 am

enigmatics wrote:Drain the clock iso BS - literally had no play drawn up. But KD is a killer tonight.


Yeah this worked out but was idiotic basketball. Book was trying to run the clock out the entire last 2 minutes as well. You cannot do that in a 1 possession game. If KD misses and Utah hits ANYTHING you would wish you had that time back. If it's a 2 possession game with 35 seconds, sure, but not a 1 point game. We got lucky KD hit that shot.
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Post#95 » by AtheJ415 » Sat Nov 18, 2023 6:18 am

Jdiddy701 wrote:Does anyone know why Josh Okogie continues to get minutes over Jordan Goodwin?


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Goodwin makes some of the worst offensive decisions imagineable. He is as infuriating to watch on offense as Gordon is to watch on defense.
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Post#96 » by darealjuice » Sat Nov 18, 2023 6:21 am

Point Book with 15 assists and 1 turnover. He definitely soaked up what he could from CP3.

Clarkson is a bucket. He hit some ridiculous looks tonight, but that’s his game. He’s been scoring really well since they let Keyonta start at the point.
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Post#97 » by grumpysaddle » Sat Nov 18, 2023 6:25 am

dremill24 wrote:
grumpysaddle wrote:
enigmatics wrote:
Dude hit 14 shots bud. Not all of those were circus - it was chitty guard/wing D all night.

Like... 8 of them were at least. And like KD said in the postgame thing, no one played defense tonight. At least we played more offense than them tonight.


So we're just cool w/ that?

When we win, yeah.
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Post#98 » by Jdiddy701 » Sat Nov 18, 2023 6:26 am

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Jdiddy701 wrote:Does anyone know why Josh Okogie continues to get minutes over Jordan Goodwin?


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Goodwin makes some of the worst offensive decisions imagineable. He is as infuriating to watch on offense as Gordon is to watch on defense.

Josh Okogie does nothing good on offense except occasionally draw fouls.

You guys expect every player to be damn near perfect. Eric Gordon overall has been very good for us, especially being on a vet deal. We’d be in trouble without him honestly. Him and Grayson Allen have done a solid job keeping us afloat with Booker/Beal missing time. Super impressed with the Suns’ depth.

James Jones has done an awesome job with the limited options we had. Eubanks, Gordon, Yuta, Goodwin, Nurk, Allen, and KBD have all done their jobs pretty well, even with key guys out. The only thing JJ screwed up was trading Payne to sign Bol Bol. That’s a killer.

Y’all need to chill out for a bit. With KD and Book, we are very hard to beat. With Beal, I think we have chance to go all the way. It’s gonna come down to health of course for us.


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Post#99 » by grumpysaddle » Sat Nov 18, 2023 6:28 am

Even in wins some posters are insufferable with their negativity.
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Post#100 » by Jdiddy701 » Sat Nov 18, 2023 6:30 am

grumpysaddle wrote:Even in wins some posters are insufferable with their negativity.

I seriously don’t get it.. every player has literally contributed for us this season. Our depth is so much better than last year. I wish we had this team last year against the Nuggets in the playoffs.


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