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Qwigglez wrote:

bigfoot wrote:
DA was holding Book back

CP3 and Mont definitely were! Book needs to seriously start shooting more 3s though. Vogel mentioned I believe before the season started or maybe after a couple of games that Booker should be taking more pull-up 3s. Well... the last 3 games Book has only taken 3, 3, and 4 three-point attempts. And even the last 3 point attempt against the Grizzlies was a heave at the last second.

Though... it is hard to argue with the results, since the Suns are winning.

MrMiyagi wrote:

Qwigglez wrote:

bigfoot wrote:
DA was holding Book back

CP3 and Mont definitely were! Book needs to seriously start shooting more 3s though. Vogel mentioned I believe before the season started or maybe after a couple of games that Booker should be taking more pull-up 3s. Well... the last 3 games Book has only taken 3, 3, and 4 three-point attempts. And even the last 3 point attempt against the Grizzlies was a heave at the last second.

Though... it is hard to argue with the results, since the Suns are winning.

You're crazy if you think Booker didn't learn a lot from CP3. I don't think he's the guy he had become with Chris.

Saberestar wrote:Can we all agree finally about Book being the third best player in the history of the franchise only after Nash and Barkley?

He can be easily the best ever in a few years...he is that great.

bwgood77 wrote:

Saberestar wrote:Can we all agree finally about Book being the third best player in the history of the franchise only after Nash and Barkley?

He can be easily the best ever in a few years...he is that great.

I don't know how I feel about including Barkley. There are so many ways to consider "best" for all time greats in general and for the Suns.

I'd put Booker ahead of Barkley for a few reasons. He has been a Sun for more years, his whole career, also made the finals, etc. Barkley was a vet we traded for to get us a ring but he hasn't. It's almost like to include Barkley (largely because he had a great entire career) you would have to put CP3 and KD in the mix.

Barkley helped us get to the finals, barely, considering we almost lost in the first round, and then never got past the 2nd round. In his 4th year we didn't even have a winning record I don't think...maybe we were 42-40 but I have 40-42 in my head. We went to two WCF before his arrival.

Nash didn't spend his entire career either. It's hard to compare him too. He made us so good but was he better than Book? I think individual accolades such as MVPs are hard to take into consideration given the competition varies so much. Nash wouldn't have won it in most years.

But I think there is an argument for all 3 of them depending on how you look at it. I'm a huge KJ fan obviously and his career was derailed but if I was looking at something like best first five years for players the Suns had when they were young, KJ was the best for his first 5. Alvan Adams may have had the best rookie year. I don't remember a guy like Walter Davis as much.

But with Book climbing up scoring charts, setting records, and improving his weaknesses like ball handling, turnovers, defense and 3pt shooting really helps him a lot. Had Nash shot as much as Curry did, he might be remembered much better on the all time scale too..maybe too selfish in hindsight, despite the fact I generally like that kind of player.

Easily Book should go down #1 if not already though because he spent his entire career here.....well, assuming he does, but at least he will have spent 10+ years here unless he is traded which is highly doubtful.

The one hurdle he needs to clear is coming up big in a game when facing elimination, of course, unless, we can win titles without ever having to face elimination.

Saberestar wrote:

bwgood77 wrote:

Saberestar wrote:Can we all agree finally about Book being the third best player in the history of the franchise only after Nash and Barkley?

He can be easily the best ever in a few years...he is that great.

I don't know how I feel about including Barkley. There are so many ways to consider "best" for all time greats in general and for the Suns.

I'd put Booker ahead of Barkley for a few reasons. He has been a Sun for more years, his whole career, also made the finals, etc. Barkley was a vet we traded for to get us a ring but he hasn't. It's almost like to include Barkley (largely because he had a great entire career) you would have to put CP3 and KD in the mix.

Barkley helped us get to the finals, barely, considering we almost lost in the first round, and then never got past the 2nd round. In his 4th year we didn't even have a winning record I don't think...maybe we were 42-40 but I have 40-42 in my head. We went to two WCF before his arrival.

Nash didn't spend his entire career either. It's hard to compare him too. He made us so good but was he better than Book? I think individual accolades such as MVPs are hard to take into consideration given the competition varies so much. Nash wouldn't have won it in most years.

But I think there is an argument for all 3 of them depending on how you look at it. I'm a huge KJ fan obviously and his career was derailed but if I was looking at something like best first five years for players the Suns had when they were young, KJ was the best for his first 5. Alvan Adams may have had the best rookie year. I don't remember a guy like Walter Davis as much.

But with Book climbing up scoring charts, setting records, and improving his weaknesses like ball handling, turnovers, defense and 3pt shooting really helps him a lot. Had Nash shot as much as Curry did, he might be remembered much better on the all time scale too..maybe too selfish in hindsight, despite the fact I generally like that kind of player.

Easily Book should go down #1 if not already though because he spent his entire career here.....well, assuming he does, but at least he will have spent 10+ years here unless he is traded which is highly doubtful.

The one hurdle he needs to clear is coming up big in a game when facing elimination, of course, unless, we can win titles without ever having to face elimination.

Well, I think that it’s not a must to spend all his career on the same team to consider a player a Top player in the history of a franchise.

Obviously the more years on the same franchise the better to determine an order, but I think around four seasons on a team is enough if the impact was great in those years.

Nash was a Suns player for 10 years, so that's why I put him over Barkley (next to his lovely style of play).

Book has played already 9 seasons on the Suns but you never know when that can end so I enjoy every minute of his career on this team.

KD is a name to have in mind for this conversation.

If he continues to play at the highest level for some more years and we win a championship with him as a 1A option on offense I would consider him a Suns legend and why not the GOAT of the franchise...but that's just a dream for now lol.

Saberestar wrote:

bwgood77 wrote:

Saberestar wrote:Can we all agree finally about Book being the third best player in the history of the franchise only after Nash and Barkley?

He can be easily the best ever in a few years...he is that great.

I don't know how I feel about including Barkley. There are so many ways to consider "best" for all time greats in general and for the Suns.

I'd put Booker ahead of Barkley for a few reasons. He has been a Sun for more years, his whole career, also made the finals, etc. Barkley was a vet we traded for to get us a ring but he hasn't. It's almost like to include Barkley (largely because he had a great entire career) you would have to put CP3 and KD in the mix.

Barkley helped us get to the finals, barely, considering we almost lost in the first round, and then never got past the 2nd round. In his 4th year we didn't even have a winning record I don't think...maybe we were 42-40 but I have 40-42 in my head. We went to two WCF before his arrival.

Nash didn't spend his entire career either. It's hard to compare him too. He made us so good but was he better than Book? I think individual accolades such as MVPs are hard to take into consideration given the competition varies so much. Nash wouldn't have won it in most years.

But I think there is an argument for all 3 of them depending on how you look at it. I'm a huge KJ fan obviously and his career was derailed but if I was looking at something like best first five years for players the Suns had when they were young, KJ was the best for his first 5. Alvan Adams may have had the best rookie year. I don't remember a guy like Walter Davis as much.

But with Book climbing up scoring charts, setting records, and improving his weaknesses like ball handling, turnovers, defense and 3pt shooting really helps him a lot. Had Nash shot as much as Curry did, he might be remembered much better on the all time scale too..maybe too selfish in hindsight, despite the fact I generally like that kind of player.

Easily Book should go down #1 if not already though because he spent his entire career here.....well, assuming he does, but at least he will have spent 10+ years here unless he is traded which is highly doubtful.

The one hurdle he needs to clear is coming up big in a game when facing elimination, of course, unless, we can win titles without ever having to face elimination.

Well, I think that it’s not a must to spend all his career on the same team to consider a player a Top player in the history of a franchise.

Obviously the more years on the same franchise the better to determine an order, but I think around four seasons on a team is enough if the impact was great in those years.

Nash was a Suns player for 10 years, so that's why I put him over Barkley (next to his lovely style of play).

Book has played already 9 seasons on the Suns but you never know when that can end so I enjoy every minute of his career on this team.

KD is a name to have in mind for this conversation.

If he continues to play at the highest level for some more years and we win a championship with him as a 1A option on offense I would consider him a Suns legend and why not the GOAT of the franchise...but that's just a dream for now lol.

bwgood77 wrote:

Saberestar wrote:

bwgood77 wrote:
I don't know how I feel about including Barkley. There are so many ways to consider "best" for all time greats in general and for the Suns.

I'd put Booker ahead of Barkley for a few reasons. He has been a Sun for more years, his whole career, also made the finals, etc. Barkley was a vet we traded for to get us a ring but he hasn't. It's almost like to include Barkley (largely because he had a great entire career) you would have to put CP3 and KD in the mix.

Barkley helped us get to the finals, barely, considering we almost lost in the first round, and then never got past the 2nd round. In his 4th year we didn't even have a winning record I don't think...maybe we were 42-40 but I have 40-42 in my head. We went to two WCF before his arrival.

Nash didn't spend his entire career either. It's hard to compare him too. He made us so good but was he better than Book? I think individual accolades such as MVPs are hard to take into consideration given the competition varies so much. Nash wouldn't have won it in most years.

But I think there is an argument for all 3 of them depending on how you look at it. I'm a huge KJ fan obviously and his career was derailed but if I was looking at something like best first five years for players the Suns had when they were young, KJ was the best for his first 5. Alvan Adams may have had the best rookie year. I don't remember a guy like Walter Davis as much.

But with Book climbing up scoring charts, setting records, and improving his weaknesses like ball handling, turnovers, defense and 3pt shooting really helps him a lot. Had Nash shot as much as Curry did, he might be remembered much better on the all time scale too..maybe too selfish in hindsight, despite the fact I generally like that kind of player.

Easily Book should go down #1 if not already though because he spent his entire career here.....well, assuming he does, but at least he will have spent 10+ years here unless he is traded which is highly doubtful.

The one hurdle he needs to clear is coming up big in a game when facing elimination, of course, unless, we can win titles without ever having to face elimination.

Well, I think that it’s not a must to spend all his career on the same team to consider a player a Top player in the history of a franchise.

Obviously the more years on the same franchise the better to determine an order, but I think around four seasons on a team is enough if the impact was great in those years.

Nash was a Suns player for 10 years, so that's why I put him over Barkley (next to his lovely style of play).

Book has played already 9 seasons on the Suns but you never know when that can end so I enjoy every minute of his career on this team.

KD is a name to have in mind for this conversation.

If he continues to play at the highest level for some more years and we win a championship with him as a 1A option on offense I would consider him a Suns legend and why not the GOAT of the franchise...but that's just a dream for now lol.

It just depends on criteria. I think a guy who spent his entire year with a franchise is more of a legend to fans than someone who didn't, if they were both great players. Think the Lakers for example. Guys like Magic and Kobe are considered much bigger Lakers legends than Kareem and Shaq, despite Kareem possibly being the GOAT in the NBA or at worst 3rd best ever. And Shaq is considered a higher on the pecking order than Kobe all time. But not for Lakers fans.

Barkley will never be near the top of my mind as best Sun ever. I think he gets some sort of extra credit for some fans because they became Suns fans when he joined the already really good team that had made 2 WCF...we got a step further but then never made the WCF again, having some serious choke jobs vs the Rockets, and then a bad season in his 4th year.

I consider a lot of guys ahead of Barkley on lists of top Suns players of all time.

Now if it's a list of best NBA player that ever played for the Suns, you could start with a list of like KD, Shaq, Barkley, Nash, Paul, etc.

Nash was drafted by us then and then re-signed with us, but also we traded him for a few no name players and a draft pick at one point who we selected Shawn Marion with.

I just consider guys like Dirk, Kobe, Duncan, etc, guys that are bigger stars in their town than a superstar who played for a few years. Putting Barkley ahead of Nash, Booker or even KJ would be like Heat fans putting LeBron ahead of Wade. I doubt many do.

Saberestar wrote:Can we all agree finally about Book being the third best player in the history of the franchise only after Nash and Barkley?

He can be easily the best ever in a few years...he is that great.

“It’s a shot that I’ve imagined in my head multiple times, so it felt like I’ve been here before.”

Tied game...
1.7 on the clock...
Over two defenders...

@DevinBook called game at The Garden

Saberestar wrote:

“It’s a shot that I’ve imagined in my head multiple times, so it felt like I’ve been here before.”

Tied game...
1.7 on the clock...
Over two defenders...

@DevinBook called game at The Garden

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In an interview with Malika Andrew’s, Luka Doncic talked about his “Beef” with Devin Booker.

“It's competitive basketball, I really love his game. The way he plays, A lot of time I watch Phoenix because of him, but obviously we have this competition when we face each other”

“Actually I respect him a lot, I love his game and the pace of his game. He has a new role, he's been really good”

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