Game 25: New York Knicks (13-10) @ Phoenix Suns (13-11) | Friday | 8:00PM

[grumpysaddle]

Whether it's someone else's fault or his own - he's injury prone. It's not even an argument at this point.

Anyone in the league is "injury prone" if landing on someone's ankle is the qualifier.

Talking about his career as of late smart ass.

[AtheJ415]

Imagine if this team lose to the Wizards on Sunday

I expect it. This team has had 20 games of embarassing 4th quarters and inexcusable losses as opoprtunities to learn and start putting forth real effort and they have taken none of them. This is a team of immature babies with 0 urgency who are always waiting for "injured player A" to save them.

We are lazy, completely undisciplined, with seemingly no gameplan or ability to adjust. I have never had less fun watching a Suns game. At least during the Watson years we had an incentive to tank.

And it goes to everyone. Not just the coaches and role players, but somebody needs to ask KD why the **** he doesn't feel the need to shoot in the 4th when we need his scoring the most, and both Booker and KD need to stop spending half the game bitching at the refs while getting lost on defense. I've criticized Book less than the others this year because he plays hard consistently and our other guys don't, but like why do our fans have to beg our players to play hard? Like what the **** even is this?

[KLEON]

Imagine if this team lose to the Wizards on Sunday

Trying not too at this but expecting 40 from Kuzma or Poole.

And a very high scoring game

[SkyBill40]

**** show. Upper level was 50% Knicks fans. Worst arena experience I’ve ever had. And Kerr was right about it being a **** nightclub.

I can understand that. My wife's company has a box and it's literally right above the DJ stand. It routinely takes everything I have to not drop a beverage on that assclown.

[RaisingArizona]

Place is a ghost town for the ceremony. Not a good look

[Jdiddy701]

Are we in agreement to fire Vogel? I don’t care how soon it is and what injuries we’ve had. He has to go before it’s too late. I figured hiring him was a huge mistake. Wonder what Ishbia is thinking..


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[garrick]

KD barely got any touches late in the 4th and we had too many Book Iso bricks which was super predictable and easy to defend.

This team is done unless a 3rd player steps up especially when Beal can't seem to stay healthy.

[SkyBill40]

Are we in agreement to fire Vogel? I don’t care how soon it is and what injuries we’ve had. He has to go before it’s too late. I figured hiring him was a huge mistake. Wonder what Ishbia is thinking..


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I've said from the beginning that Vogel wasn't the answer for Williams and wouldn't move the needle at all for us. There's a group that continue to tout his defensive prowess but I've yet to see any evidence of it whatsoever. The only reason he has a ring is due to James and Davis. Vogel was a bus rider, plain and simple... and the back of the bus at that.

[AtheJ415]

Still bothers me that we traded Cam Payne for nothing, the only guy resembling a PG on this roster. Booker is a great secondary playmaker, we are absolutely going nowhere is he is the primary playmaker. Ugh, I just wish we would have waited and made a move for Harden instead of stupid Beal.

Book at PG is not the problem. It's effort rebounding on both ends and effort defensively especially on the perimeter. It's attention to detail with a real game plan. We are out here letting guys shoot 60% from the field. We collapse every 4th quarter because when the other team becomes more intense we show no willingness to match the intensity so we get beaten into oblivion, and we keep trying to blame injuries for that bull ****.

Today we unnecessarily helped off of good players to double covered bad players. It's the miscommunications. It's the complete lack of intensity.

We lose the battle of loose balls every game. We get obliterated on the defensive glass. We run 2 offensive sets in total. We are out here letting guys shoot 60% from the field. We collapse every 4th quarter because when the other team becomes more intense we show no willingness to match the intensity so we get beaten into oblivion.

[sunsbg]

Embarrassed by Brunson on Marion's night. Can't wait for Luka embarrassing us on Christmas.

[AtheJ415]

KD barely got any touches late in the 4th and we had too many Book Iso bricks which was super predictable and easy to defend.

This team is done unless a 3rd player steps up especially when Beal can't seem to stay healthy.

We have the greatest offensive weapon in NBA history and we do not run the offense through him. I will never understand the fans here who are okay with this ****. This team and what it has done this season deserves to be universally shamed

[grumpysaddle]

Are we in agreement to fire Vogel? I don’t care how soon it is and what injuries we’ve had. He has to go before it’s too late. I figured hiring him was a huge mistake. Wonder what Ishbia is thinking..


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He definitely wasn't even in my top 5 choices. Is he holding back Kevin Young? Or is Kevin Young just also a terrible offensive coach even though he was lauded as this amazing offensive mind? Vogel does look lost out there though.

[SkyBill40]

Embarrassed by Brunson on Marion's night. Can't wait for Luka embarrassing us on Christmas.

I fully expect an ass whooping and us on the receiving end, as usual. I probably won't even bother.

[garrick]

Are we in agreement to fire Vogel? I don’t care how soon it is and what injuries we’ve had. He has to go before it’s too late. I figured hiring him was a huge mistake. Wonder what Ishbia is thinking..


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Ishbia is super arrogant thinking he could put together a team by throwing money around and pushing trades he thought would benefit the team.

It's like a just a chain of bad decisions like the KD trade, Vogel hiring, Ayton and Beal trade which made for a hugely imbalanced roster.

Ishbia could give Vivek Ranadive a run for his money as a worst first time basketball owner.

[AtheJ415]

Are we in agreement to fire Vogel? I don’t care how soon it is and what injuries we’ve had. He has to go before it’s too late. I figured hiring him was a huge mistake. Wonder what Ishbia is thinking..


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This is the only hope for this season. If we get to mid-year we won't have enough time to figure it out and the season will be lost, and we'll walk into next year as probably the last where KD is what he is, after having traded a decade of assets for him and Beal. This is a nightmare.

If you are going to make that KD trade and mortgage the future you have to make it work immediately. We have fallen off a cliff as a team since last year and it's not like it was because Monty was so amazing. Just look at Detroit. Maybe we need to hire CP3 as our coach. I just want somebody, ANYBODY, who can get our guys to play hard because watching this **** hole of a team saunter around the court while we lose on effort plays is the most frustrating thing imagineable as a fan

[SkyBill40]

If the playoffs started today, we'd have to play NO. They'd utterly wreck us.

[SunsRback4Good]

When was last time a player shot 9/9 on 3’s? I’m guessing Brunson set some sort of record.

[garrick]

If the playoffs started today, we'd have to play NO. They'd utterly wreck us.

Any team with physical players punk us. We have no size, no heart and no basketball IQ.

I was telling you Ayton haters he wasn't the sole reason we keep coming short in the playoffs, he was a convenient scapegoat for the losing but we are seeing part of the problem is with KD and Book and neither are true leaders on the floor or in the locker room.

[pj0tr]

Tonight's loss was squarely on Booker.

Hes the leader of the team. Can't lose your head and disappear yet again when your team needs you the most.

Yall don't wanna hear it - but Book is hurting this team with his turnovers, silly fouls, and lack of leadership late in game.

[bwgood77]

Are we in agreement to fire Vogel? I don’t care how soon it is and what injuries we’ve had. He has to go before it’s too late. I figured hiring him was a huge mistake. Wonder what Ishbia is thinking..


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He definitely wasn't even in my top 5 choices. Is he holding back Kevin Young? Or is Kevin Young just also a terrible offensive coach even though he was lauded as this amazing offensive mind? Vogel does look lost out there though.

I will say we get a lot more 3s which seems like that is more Young but this offense does remind me of LAL's under Vogel. He fed his 2 stars and leaned on them, but his 2 stars were different levels defensively than our guys our. We have a ton more offensive firepower than Vogel ever had in LA. But we do not maximize that end, and even if we did I doubt we could outrun this **** show of a defense.

I would switch to this starting lineup. Allen we have tried but he just cannot defend at the level advertised, and it's not just tonight. He cost us the LAL game as well with a defensive **** up. Even when he is up on guys he lacks the length to bother elite guards and we are having him guard elite guards.

Booker
Beal
Little
KD
Nurkic

Gordon, Goodwin, Okogie, KBD (I believe his shooting will return to career numbers), Eubanks (he is good when asked to play the role he is capable of, which is the role he has been in his entire god damned career. Instead we are asking him to play like Nurkic and it's dumb)

Yuta should never play again except MAYBE in situational 3 point situations.

Maybe we can slip the GM some money under the table to trade for Siakam. I don't know. But the outlook of this team, after being in a prime position, is so **** depressing.

We should be staring down a 10 year window of title contention with:

Haliburton
Book
Bridges
Cam
Ayton

and instead we have a group of aging prima donnas and lazy as all **** hell role players

Yeah, it's amazing...with 1 draft pick and no trades, that is our roster...young, will be around for awhile, and we would have all our picks.

The team was fun to watch the last few years (last year was harder due to so many injuries), but add Haliburton to that mix and a new draftee every year it would have been fun for years. With that lineup we'd be one of the top couple teams.

We haven't even beaten 1 team in the top 10 in either conference outside of Minnesota on the 2nd end of a road b2b where they got in at 4am.