Game 26: Washington Wizards (4-20) @ Phoenix Suns (13-12) | Sunday | 6:00 PM

Saberestar · Post #1 » by **Saberestar** » Sun Dec 17, 2023 11:17 am

Must win. Period.

The Wizards won his last game against the Pacers with Kuzma and Poole scoring both 30+.

We are starting to lack confidence and this game can help us to refloat the ship.

We play at home and we are the **** better team, just win the game. I don't even care if we win in OT or playing ugly basketball, we are in a losing streak and we just have to win to stop the bleeding.

Nice to know that Eric Gordon will be back for this one, he has been missed in the last couple of games.

SunsRback4Good · Post #2 » by **SunsRback4Good** » Sun Dec 17, 2023 12:40 pm

I wonder if Phoenix wiil try losing on purpose to get Vogel fired. That way we bring in a new coach who is some kind of defensive guru as Suns finish out the season playing .700 ball and cruising easily to the nba finals. Like KG says “ anything is possibleeee”.

Son of Ra · Post #3 » by **Son of Ra** » Sun Dec 17, 2023 1:15 pm

SunsRback4Good wrote:I wonder if Phoenix wiil try losing on purpose to get Vogel fired. That way we bring in a new coach who is some kind of defensive guru as Suns finish out the season playing .700 ball and cruising easily to the nba finals. Like KG says “ anything is possibleeee”.

Careful what you wish for, at this rate out new coach would be Doc Rivers...

SunsRback4Good · Post #4 » by **SunsRback4Good** » Sun Dec 17, 2023 2:03 pm

Son of Ra wrote:
SunsRback4Good wrote:I wonder if Phoenix wiil try losing on purpose to get Vogel fired. That way we bring in a new coach who is some kind of defensive guru as Suns finish out the season playing .700 ball and cruising easily to the nba finals. Like KG says “ anything is possibleeee”.

Careful what you wish for, at this rate out new coach would be Doc Rivers...

I would become a kings or pacers fan if that ever happened.

Jesus_H_Macy · Post #5 » by **Jesus_H_Macy** » Sun Dec 17, 2023 4:44 pm

This is going to be a capital L for Lazy but should probably result in a W regardless just because of how bad the Wiz are. But I have zero faith these guys are going to play hard tonight. Home game + bad team = lazy as f effort. This squad disgusts me right now

Boujack · Post #6 » by **Boujack** » Sun Dec 17, 2023 4:57 pm

I think Kuzma and Poole are going to play like all stars and will be a L.

SkyBill40 · Post #7 » by **SkyBill40** » Sun Dec 17, 2023 5:20 pm

If we don't manage to pull out a win today, I believe Vogel's days are truly becoming numbered. We can't keep the excuse of "But Beal will change everything" as we have more than enough offensive power to put teams down. The problem is the defense and a lack of genuine intensity in getting stops. Apathetic play isn't going to get us wins. We've seen a lot of that already and it's high time it comes to an end.

sunsfan1o1 · Post #8 » by **sunsfan1o1** » Sun Dec 17, 2023 5:52 pm

SkyBill40 wrote:If we don't manage to pull out a win today, I believe Vogel's days are truly becoming numbered. We can't keep the excuse of "But Beal will change everything" as we have more than enough offensive power to put teams down. The problem is the defense and a lack of genuine intensity in getting stops. Apathetic play isn't going to get us wins. We've seen a lot of that already and it's high time it comes to an end.

It’s so confusing why people think Vogel is the problem. We don’t have 1 point guard on the team, the big 3 are always hurt, our best defender is our worst offensive player, Booker is a terrible point guard.

Fix 2 of 3 of those things and we will make it to the 2nd round. Otherwise it’s gonna be 1st or 2nd rd exit again.

SunsRback4Good · Post #9 » by **SunsRback4Good** » Sun Dec 17, 2023 5:54 pm

“Cardinals safety Budda Baker questionable vs. 49ers with illness”

The injuries keep on coming and there’s no glimmer of hope it seems. I might go outside and sprain my ankle just for the heck of it.

Jesus_H_Macy · Post #10 » by **Jesus_H_Macy** » Sun Dec 17, 2023 6:04 pm

SunsRback4Good wrote:“Cardinals safety Budda Baker questionable vs. 49ers with illness”

The injuries keep on coming and there’s no glimmer of hope it seems. I might go outside and sprain my ankle just for the heck of it.

At least the Cards losing this season is good in the long run (MHJR or bust) but with the Suns there is no silver lining to be had. We either win the championship this season or next or we’re in for 6+ years in the wilderness with nothing at all to show for it

KLEON · Post #11 » by **KLEON** » Sun Dec 17, 2023 7:09 pm

Should be a very very high scoring game

SkyBill40 · Post #12 » by **SkyBill40** » Sun Dec 17, 2023 9:44 pm

sunsfan1o1 wrote:
SkyBill40 wrote:If we don't manage to pull out a win today, I believe Vogel's days are truly becoming numbered. We can't keep the excuse of "But Beal will change everything" as we have more than enough offensive power to put teams down. The problem is the defense and a lack of genuine intensity in getting stops. Apathetic play isn't going to get us wins. We've seen a lot of that already and it's high time it comes to an end.

It’s so confusing why people think Vogel is the problem. We don’t have 1 point guard on the team, the big 3 are always hurt, our best defender is our worst offensive player, Booker is a terrible point guard.

Fix 2 of 3 of those things and we will make it to the 2nd round. Otherwise it’s gonna be 1st or 2nd rd exit again.

Vogel has been repeatedly touted as a defensive minded coach. I've seen none of that mindset in play to date. Why continue making excuses for him? And don't get it twisted here: Vogel isn't THE problem; Vogel is just one part of several.

Roster construction is the fault of Ishbia and, to a much lesser part since he's still a yes man, Jones.

sunsfan1o1 · Post #13 » by **sunsfan1o1** » Sun Dec 17, 2023 10:24 pm

SkyBill40 wrote:
sunsfan1o1 wrote:
SkyBill40 wrote:If we don't manage to pull out a win today, I believe Vogel's days are truly becoming numbered. We can't keep the excuse of "But Beal will change everything" as we have more than enough offensive power to put teams down. The problem is the defense and a lack of genuine intensity in getting stops. Apathetic play isn't going to get us wins. We've seen a lot of that already and it's high time it comes to an end.

It’s so confusing why people think Vogel is the problem. We don’t have 1 point guard on the team, the big 3 are always hurt, our best defender is our worst offensive player, Booker is a terrible point guard.

Fix 2 of 3 of those things and we will make it to the 2nd round. Otherwise it’s gonna be 1st or 2nd rd exit again.

Vogel has been repeatedly touted as a defensive minded coach. I've seen none of that mindset in play to date. Why continue making excuses for him? And don't get it twisted here: Vogel isn't THE problem; Vogel is just one part of several.

Roster construction is the fault of Ishbia and, to a much lesser part since he's still a yes man, Jones.

Vogel ain’t playing. The roster stinks. These guys can’t defend a stick.
Plus the fact that KD thinks offense wins championships. It’s definitely not Vogel’s fault. If he wasn’t there would we be 17th in defense or 30th? Think about that

Calvin Klein · Post #14 » by **Calvin Klein** » Sun Dec 17, 2023 10:30 pm

SkyBill40 wrote:Vogel has been repeatedly touted as a defensive minded coach. I've seen none of that mindset in play to date. Why continue making excuses for him? And don't get it twisted here: Vogel isn't THE problem; Vogel is just one part of several.

It seems like he might need some defensive minded players though. That's what he had in Indiana and the Lakers. Our roster has ZERO defense. I'm not counting players like Okogie which are unplayable offensively. Our "Big 3" are not defensive minded players. Book and KD can be decent at it but they are not defensive anchors and never will be. Roster construction is the biggest problem we have. And it doesn't seem like it's gonna get solved any time soon. I don't care for Vogel but he doesn't have much to work with on defense.

Also, we don't have point guard, which is the main reason we are blowing all these leads and have so many turnovers. It's quite obvious to me at least.

SkyBill40 · Post #15 » by **SkyBill40** » Mon Dec 18, 2023 1:04 am

sunsfan1o1 wrote:
SkyBill40 wrote:
sunsfan1o1 wrote:It’s so confusing why people think Vogel is the problem. We don’t have 1 point guard on the team, the big 3 are always hurt, our best defender is our worst offensive player, Booker is a terrible point guard.

Fix 2 of 3 of those things and we will make it to the 2nd round. Otherwise it’s gonna be 1st or 2nd rd exit again.

Vogel has been repeatedly touted as a defensive minded coach. I've seen none of that mindset in play to date. Why continue making excuses for him? And don't get it twisted here: Vogel isn't THE problem; Vogel is just one part of several.

Roster construction is the fault of Ishbia and, to a much lesser part since he's still a yes man, Jones.

Vogel ain’t playing. The roster stinks. These guys can’t defend a stick.
Plus the fact that KD thinks offense wins championships. It’s definitely not Vogel’s fault. If he wasn’t there would we be 17th in defense or 30th? Think about that

Well aware that Vogel isn't on the floor. Well aware we're built for offense and not much else. That doesn't change the fact that Vogel's decision making in terms of playcalling and roster management has been pretty abhorrent. Dude isn't the coach for this team. He got his title because he had James and Davis playing peak ball against a significantly weakened set of teams and a watered down remainder of the regular season. That is the truth. Accept it or not, for it is how it is.

schnakenpopanz · Post #16 » by **schnakenpopanz** » Mon Dec 18, 2023 1:12 am

Is that tom Leander calling the game? Haha good times.

SkyBill40 · Post #17 » by **SkyBill40** » Mon Dec 18, 2023 1:14 am

schnakenpopanz wrote:Is that tom Leander calling the game? Haha good times.

Leander and Johnson. A much better duo than we usually get.

SkyBill40 · Post #18 » by **SkyBill40** » Mon Dec 18, 2023 1:17 am

Good god our defense is so incredibly bad. At least Vogel doesn't hesitate to try and stop the momentum by calling time outs. Williams would just keep standing there, lost as can be, staring into the abyss.

schnakenpopanz · Post #19 » by **schnakenpopanz** » Mon Dec 18, 2023 1:22 am

here come the boos.
rightfully so

AtheJ415 · Post #20 » by **AtheJ415** » Mon Dec 18, 2023 1:22 am

We should trade for Tyus Jones, as has been the case for like 5 years now.

I heard boos already from the crowd. The Wizards, the **** WIZARDS, had all 5 starters score within the first 4 minutes of the game.

I think we'll end up winning this one because it's the Wizards but this team is justsuch a disgusting joke.

I'm going to chipotle so I won't be tempted to watch this anymore