All Amare Trade Talk Here

[MrMiyagi]

I think Speights has good potential for us, but I might rather clear cap and take our chances for Wade and Co before committing to Igoudala. I absolutely love his skillset, but his contract does worry me with regards to future flexibility and out ability to build a team around his contract. If we could unload Richardson for CAP, and Barbosa too (I love the guy, but he needs a shot to start, and we could use the cap space) I wouldn't mind too bad if we ended up with Nash, Wade, Iggy, Speights and Lopez next year. Lopez is coming on strong, and it has been fun to watch. With the pick we'd get from NJ or PHI in that scenario for for another backup 2-guard or athletic center.

Nash/ Dragic
Wade/ DRAFT
Iggy/ Hill/ Dudley
Speights/ Amundson/ Clark
Lopez/ Frye/ DRAFT

Not sure Wade is gonna leave Miami, and if he does it wont be to PHX. I like that team though. Add a quality big behind Speights and Lopez and they'd do well.

[Mr. Sun]

You guys are honestly out of your minds if you think Clark will wind up being like one of those players.

With all due respect, STFU. You've said everything but call Clark's momma a whore. We are fully aware of what you think.

[MrMiyagi]

You guys are honestly out of your minds if you think Clark will wind up being like one of those players.

With all due respect, STFU. You've said everything but call Clark's momma a whore. We are fully aware of what you think.

[Kerrsed]

You guys are honestly out of your minds if you think Clark will wind up being like one of those players.

With all due respect, STFU. You've said everything but call Clark's momma a whore. We are fully aware of what you think.

Im sure if you check one of his "I hate Earl Clark" posts (which is every post), he did say something along those lines.

[tigerblood]

You guys are honestly out of your minds if you think Clark will wind up being like one of those players.

With all due respect, STFU. You've said everything but call Clark's momma a whore. We are fully aware of what you think.

What he said.

[hunterxaz]

Out of all the replies I get I have never had one person give me concrete evidence that this guy will ever be anything in the league apart from "potential" or "if only he'd just get solid minutes"

Please kindly, STFU unless you can bring something of value to the discussion, other than just "I got a feeling, man."

[tigerblood]

Out of all the replies I get I have never had one person give me concrete evidence that this guy will ever be anything in the league apart from "potential" or "if only he'd just get solid minutes"

Please kindly, STFU unless you can bring something of value to the discussion, other than just "I got a feeling, man."

I got a feeling man, Earl Clark is going to be great. Probably better than Marion, his potential is through the roof and if he only got playing time he will be a star.

[DBrimstone]

You guys are honestly out of your minds if you think Clark will wind up being like one of those players.

With all due respect, STFU. You've said everything but call Clark's momma a whore. We are fully aware of what you think.

And Amare's the man! MAX CONTRACT WOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

Amare for Iggy + Speights would be sick. I highly doubt we'd land a big name free agent but Iggy would be an all star if he were on a decent team. He's only sat 6 games in 5 years. Durability is not an issue there, and he'd bring everything we wish Richardson had, except a consistent 3 point shot (which isn't terrible). Not to mention the ever improving Speights. It'd be more of a long term move than a short term move but I'd love it.

Clark's proof of potential: Maggette scored at will last night until Clark or Lou was guarding him. They made him a non-factor. How's that for his potential, at least defensively

Edit: Maybe Philly needs a short term 1 year replacement at the 2 for Iggy. We could throw J-Rich in and have them give us Dalembert, who has an equally long and equally crappy contract

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine

[JMac1]

Problem is, Clark doesn't have anywhere near the level of talent or promise to be an All-Star caliber player like Marion was, or Durant and Gay and we know he doesn't have the dedication, or work ethic to get there.

You guys are honestly out of your minds if you think Clark will wind up being like one of those players.

Well I take Eddie Johnson judgement, David Thorpe and mine over yours. Dude has all of the tools and just the fact that you bring up those guys says a lot. We just want him to be a top quality guy, he doesn't have to be a possible HOFer

[Kerrsed]

Out of all the replies I get I have never had one person give me concrete evidence that this guy will ever be anything in the league apart from "potential" or "if only he'd just get solid minutes"

Please kindly, STFU unless you can bring something of value to the discussion, other than just "I got a feeling, man."

Dude, you really need to STFU. I can do the same thing as you, you haven't provided concrete evidence that he is a bum, the wore player on the Suns, the piece that is dragging us down , and all the other crap that spews forth in all of your posts. Wheres the proof to back up your statements??? AHHHHH, that's right, you have none because he hasn't played any meaningful minutes to base your trolling argument on, until last night when he shut down Maggette!!!!

And honestly, we post better informed opinions and insight then your 1 to 2 sentence posts that always end with "Clark is a bust" or some other CRAPTASTIC statement.

Why cant you pull a Sunsman/Rocketsman and go take your trolling BS statements to some other board?

Seriously man, you are a douche and that's probably putting it too kindly.

[JMac1]

Thats what we have Clark for, give him a chance

But why not have two guys like that? Imagine having Iggy at the 2 and Clark at the 3 being Marion-like(if/when Clark develops). I'd like to see that.

Me too, but Iggy isn't a pure shooter. I really am not a fan of his. I think we need a solid young 2 guard to go with Lopez,Clark and Dragic, plus Lou and Duds off of the bench.

[sunfire0112]

And Amare's the man! MAX CONTRACT WOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

Amare for Iggy + Speights would be sick. I highly doubt we'd land a big name free agent but Iggy would be an all star if he were on a decent team. He's only sat 6 games in 5 years. Durability is not an issue there, and he'd bring everything we wish Richardson had, except a consistent 3 point shot (which isn't terrible). Not to mention the ever improving Speights. It'd be more of a long term move than a short term move but I'd love it.

Clark's proof of potential: Maggette scored at will last night until Clark or Lou was guarding him. They made him a non-factor. How's that for his potential, at least defensively

Edit: Maybe Philly needs a short term 1 year replacement at the 2 for Iggy. We could throw J-Rich in and have them give us Dalembert, who has an equally long and equally crappy contract

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine

I would prefer we target a future stud SG (like Turner) but Iggy + Speights is also a nice alternative.

Also, I think your proposed trade would look something like this.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ygl33lx

[hunterxaz]

Out of all the replies I get I have never had one person give me concrete evidence that this guy will ever be anything in the league apart from "potential" or "if only he'd just get solid minutes"

Please kindly, STFU unless you can bring something of value to the discussion, other than just "I got a feeling, man."

Dude, you really need to STFU. I can do the same thing as you, you haven't provided concrete evidence that he is a bum, the wore player on the Suns, the piece that is dragging us down , and all the other crap that spews forth in all of your posts. Wheres the proof to back up your statements??? AHHHHH, that's right, you have none because he hasn't played any meaningful minutes to base your trolling argument on, until last night when he shut down Maggette!!!!

And honestly, we post better informed opinions and insight then your 1 to 2 sentence posts that always end with "Clark is a bust" or some other CRAPTASTIC statement.

Why cant you pull a Sunsman/Rocketsman and go take your trolling BS statements to some other board?

Seriously man, you are a douche and that's probably putting it too kindly.

Really?

Earl Clark has played in 30 games averaging 9mpg. He averages 3ppg. I'd say 30 games with 10mpg (rounding up, w/e) is some pretty reliable time. I don't care if you think it's not - because objectively speaking -- it is.

You don't see many rookies on a good team who average more than 10mpg unless they're a top 5 pick.

At any rate, the evidence is that when he's in for 10 minutes per game, he gets 1rb, and 3points. He doesn't provide "intangibles" that you can visually see, but aren't on a stat sheet. Most times, when he plays MORE than 9mpg we end up losing, too.

He's really inefficient and almost always ends up with a - rating for +/-. I think in one of these recent games he even netted us a -10... I mean that's just atrocious.

Combo that with his documented lack of work ethic, his proven immaturity, and I just don't see the guy as having much promise to be anything more than a 15mpg roleplayer/benchplayer for his career. Guy should be thankful. I'd love to get paid a 6 figure salary to ride the bench.

[Qwigglez]

Out of all the replies I get I have never had one person give me concrete evidence that this guy will ever be anything in the league apart from "potential" or "if only he'd just get solid minutes"

Please kindly, STFU unless you can bring something of value to the discussion, other than just "I got a feeling, man."

Dude, you really need to STFU. I can do the same thing as you, you haven't provided concrete evidence that he is a bum, the wore player on the Suns, the piece that is dragging us down , and all the other crap that spews forth in all of your posts. Wheres the proof to back up your statements??? AHHHHH, that's right, you have none because he hasn't played any meaningful minutes to base your trolling argument on, until last night when he shut down Maggette!!!!

And honestly, we post better informed opinions and insight then your 1 to 2 sentence posts that always end with "Clark is a bust" or some other CRAPTASTIC statement.

Why cant you pull a Sunsman/Rocketsman and go take your trolling BS statements to some other board?

Seriously man, you are a douche and that's probably putting it too kindly.

Really?

Earl Clark has played in 30 games averaging 9mpg. He averages 3ppg. I'd say 30 games with 10mpg (rounding up, w/e) is some pretty reliable time. I don't care if you think it's not - because objectively speaking -- it is.

You don't see many rookies on a good team who average more than 10mpg unless they're a top 5 pick.

At any rate, the evidence is that when he's in for 10 minutes per game, he gets 1rb, and 3points. He doesn't provide "intangibles" that you can visually see, but aren't on a stat sheet. Most times, when he plays MORE than 9mpg we end up losing, too.

He's really inefficient and almost always ends up with a - rating for +/-. I think in one of these recent games he even netted us a -10... I mean that's just atrocious.

Combo that with his documented lack of work ethic, his proven immaturity, and I just don't see the guy as having much promise to be anything more than a 15mpg roleplayer/benchplayer for his career. Guy should be thankful. I'd love to get paid a 6 figure salary to ride the bench.

Ty Lawson- 22 MPG, 18th Pick
DeJuan Blair- 18MPG 37th Pick
Darren Collison, 16 MPG, 21st Pick.
Jeff Teague- 11 MPG, 19th Pick
DeMar DeRozan- 21 MPG, 9th Pick
Taj Gibson- 24 MPG, 26th Pick

Where did you get those figures of having proven immaturity? Is that concrete?

[Qwigglez]

BTW, if the playoffs started today, all of those guy's teams they play for would be making the playoffs so I would consider they're team to be a "good team."

[hunterxaz]

Actually... 3 of those teams are Eastern teams, and not very good ones -- except the Hawks. Darren Collison plays for the Hornets who are out of the playoffs. I mean you don't think the Raptors and Bulls are "good" teams, do you? Their record says they aren't, at least.

The figures about his maturity mainly come from scouting reports and various AZCentral articles.

[Sreister]

Out of all the replies I get I have never had one person give me concrete evidence that this guy will ever be anything in the league apart from "potential" or "if only he'd just get solid minutes"

Please kindly, STFU unless you can bring something of value to the discussion, other than just "I got a feeling, man."

Dude, you really need to STFU. I can do the same thing as you, you haven't provided concrete evidence that he is a bum, the wore player on the Suns, the piece that is dragging us down , and all the other crap that spews forth in all of your posts. Wheres the proof to back up your statements??? AHHHHH, that's right, you have none because he hasn't played any meaningful minutes to base your trolling argument on, until last night when he shut down Maggette!!!!

And honestly, we post better informed opinions and insight then your 1 to 2 sentence posts that always end with "Clark is a bust" or some other CRAPTASTIC statement.

Why cant you pull a Sunsman/Rocketsman and go take your trolling BS statements to some other board?

Seriously man, you are a douche and that's probably putting it too kindly.

Really?

Earl Clark has played in 30 games averaging 9mpg. He averages 3ppg. I'd say 30 games with 10mpg (rounding up, w/e) is some pretty reliable time. I don't care if you think it's not - because objectively speaking -- it is.

You don't see many rookies on a good team who average more than 10mpg unless they're a top 5 pick.

At any rate, the evidence is that when he's in for 10 minutes per game, he gets 1rb, and 3points. He doesn't provide "intangibles" that you can visually see, but aren't on a stat sheet. Most times, when he plays MORE than 9mpg we end up losing, too.

He's really inefficient and almost always ends up with a - rating for +/-. I think in one of these recent games he even netted us a -10... I mean that's just atrocious.

Combo that with his documented lack of work ethic, his proven immaturity, and I just don't see the guy as having much promise to be anything more than a 15mpg roleplayer/benchplayer for his career. Guy should be thankful. I'd love to get paid a 6 figure salary to ride the bench.

I'm sorry, but 9/48 is .1875. Less than a quarter per game. If you've ever played basketball, that is NOT significant. At all. You can't get a rhythm, you can't get into the flow of the game, and you sure as hell can't put up numbers. THAT is not objective. Period.

[hunterxaz]

You must know more than the coaches who choose on playing him. They obviously are just putting him in there for no reason and have zero expectations in regards to performance. It's just for fun.

[OrangeNation]

Wow, you really need to chill man; you're really making a fool of urself here on this board. I think a lot of people here learn their lesson in Lopez that never speak too early about a rookie. But I guess some people never learn lol.

[Classick]

Can we all shut the **** up about Earl Clark already? There's no way to come to any intelligent conclusion about whether or not he was a good draft pick. Unless someone here works for the Suns organization- all we have to go on are rumors from a random unreliable website.

Goran Dragic and Robin Lopez were both ghosts in their rookie years. Now 95% of this forum loves them.

As for the trade proposed, it'd be a good trade- but a 3 (4, counting the draft pick) for one trade will never happen.