Dame requests a trade.

[tester551]

I think I would rather spin OG to a team like NYK for filler and 3 FRP than keep him around to be paid 30M.

We likely could get the protected DET and WAS FRP from NYK - to me these equal about 1 LP FRP. If we could get a future UNP NYK FRP as the real prize that would be ideal. Evan as the salary ballast.

But I think the FO wants to field a team that will get some butts in seats and a OG will do that while a few future FRP wont. And I think thats a mistake. We cant be in a spot where we have to pay Grant and OG.

Why not pay OG $30M & trade Grant for a better fit?

Id MUCH rather have OG vs Grant

I am not sure Grant returns much - think even a protected FRP would be a tall order with his contract length and size.

Lets assume we could flip Grant for THJ (Filler) and a LP DAL FRP. Or, we could turn OG into 3 FRP and Fournier. I easily keep Grant and move OG in that case. And I think thats close to where the value sits for both guys.

I agree that Grant is only worth 1 LP pick. I highly doubt that OG would get 3 picks right now... but say you're right.

Youll have 3 picks in the 20s to TRY and find one player as good as OG is right now. Ill take the known talent over the potential every time in this situation.

Worst case you re-sign OG & trade him in 1.5 years for 2 picks

Even after OG is resigned

[BlazersBroncos]

Why not pay OG $30M & trade Grant for a better fit?

Id MUCH rather have OG vs Grant

I am not sure Grant returns much - think even a protected FRP would be a tall order with his contract length and size.

Lets assume we could flip Grant for THJ (Filler) and a LP DAL FRP. Or, we could turn OG into 3 FRP and Fournier. I easily keep Grant and move OG in that case. And I think thats close to where the value sits for both guys.

I agree that Grant is only worth 1 LP pick. I highly doubt that OG would get 3 picks right now... but say you're right.

Youll have 3 picks in the 20s to TRY and find one player as good as OG is right now. Ill take the known talent over the potential every time in this situation.

Worst case you re-sign OG & trade him in 1.5 years for 2 picks

Even after OG is resigned

Ya, either way keeping OG or moving him for picks - his inclusion immediately makes the TOR package better than anything MIA can offer.

Maybe run w/ OG and Grant for a year and move Grant in the offseason.

End of the day I think PDX strongly wants to field a young, competitive team. I think Cronin really wants to come out of this with a Scoot / Sharpe / OG / Grant / Ayton lineup - that probably saves his job for a bit even if IMO its a mistake to go for a bubble squad over picks. Will be a much more enjoyable year if he can pull that off - just not sure the future is as bright as getting a boat load of picks. The passing in that group outside Scoot will also be abysmal.

[zzaj]

I am not sure Grant returns much - think even a protected FRP would be a tall order with his contract length and size.

Lets assume we could flip Grant for THJ (Filler) and a LP DAL FRP. Or, we could turn OG into 3 FRP and Fournier. I easily keep Grant and move OG in that case. And I think thats close to where the value sits for both guys.

I agree that Grant is only worth 1 LP pick. I highly doubt that OG would get 3 picks right now... but say you're right.

Youll have 3 picks in the 20s to TRY and find one player as good as OG is right now. Ill take the known talent over the potential every time in this situation.

Worst case you re-sign OG & trade him in 1.5 years for 2 picks

Even after OG is resigned

Ya, either way keeping OG or moving him for picks - his inclusion immediately makes the TOR package better than anything MIA can offer.

Maybe run w/ OG and Grant for a year and move Grant in the offseason.

End of the day I think PDX strongly wants to field a young, competitive team. I think Cronin really wants to come out of this with a Scoot / Sharpe / OG / Grant / Ayton lineup - that probably saves his job for a bit even if IMO its a mistake to go for a bubble squad over picks. Will be a much more enjoyable year if he can pull that off - just not sure the future is as bright as getting a boat load of picks. The passing in that group outside Scoot will also be abysmal.

That lineup would be a fun watch. I'll say again though that every one of those players needs the ball in their hands to be effective...and would probably want to show how effective they can be on a bad team.

[Norm2953]

It does appear the Blazers view a Lillard trade to the Heat as unlikely for very personal reasons.
Blazers seem to be trying to manufacture a trade for Dame, which will lead to a very uncomfortable
situation heading into fall camp, with media day on October 2.

Let's see if a third enters the picture if the talks with the Raptors end up going nowhere.

[Shem]

Watching annoying Heat fans on Twitter/X act all entitled on how the Blazers should give in on the low ball deal and how they have all the leverage. Then I see the blue check marks by their names and it all makes sense.

[monopoman]

I am not sure it's all spite at this point the latest rumors point to the fact that the Blazers FO thinks Lillard is worth more than Miami does and thus no agreement reached.

Miami refuses to budge on their offer and the Blazers refuse to budge so you have two sides unwilling to compromise and this is what happens.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10090948-nba-rumors-damian-lillard-trade-value-a-fundamental-disagreement-for-heat-blazers

Those in Miami that think this will change are dealing with extreme levels of copium here if this report is true. The only way Dame goes to Miami with this report is if every other team is unwilling to beat their paltry offer.

[Vampirate]

I am not sure it's all spite at this point the latest rumors point to the fact that the Blazers FO thinks Lillard is worth more than Miami does and thus no agreement reached.

Miami refuses to budge on their offer and the Blazers refuse to budge so you have two sides unwilling to compromise and this is what happens.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10090948-nba-rumors-damian-lillard-trade-value-a-fundamental-disagreement-for-heat-blazers

Those in Miami that think this will change are dealing with extreme levels of copium here if this report is true. The only way Dame goes to Miami with this report is if every other team is unwilling to beat their paltry offer.

Do you think Dame is on your roster on starting day and you guys are gonna wait till the trade deadline?

Kind of feels that way to me tbh.

[RTG HD]

I am not sure it's all spite at this point the latest rumors point to the fact that the Blazers FO thinks Lillard is worth more than Miami does and thus no agreement reached.

Miami refuses to budge on their offer and the Blazers refuse to budge so you have two sides unwilling to compromise and this is what happens.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10090948-nba-rumors-damian-lillard-trade-value-a-fundamental-disagreement-for-heat-blazers

Those in Miami that think this will change are dealing with extreme levels of copium here if this report is true. The only way Dame goes to Miami with this report is if every other team is unwilling to beat their paltry offer.

Do you think Dame is on your roster on starting day and you guys are gonna wait till the trade deadline?

Kind of feels that way to me tbh.

I think the goal right now is to make a deal before training camp but is nothing gets done in that time yes I agree that we are waiting until the trade deadline.

[Blazinaway]

So my question is if there is no Dame trade soon do we still try to do a trade for Ayton?

[monopoman]

I am not sure it's all spite at this point the latest rumors point to the fact that the Blazers FO thinks Lillard is worth more than Miami does and thus no agreement reached.

Miami refuses to budge on their offer and the Blazers refuse to budge so you have two sides unwilling to compromise and this is what happens.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10090948-nba-rumors-damian-lillard-trade-value-a-fundamental-disagreement-for-heat-blazers

Those in Miami that think this will change are dealing with extreme levels of copium here if this report is true. The only way Dame goes to Miami with this report is if every other team is unwilling to beat their paltry offer.

Do you think Dame is on your roster on starting day and you guys are gonna wait till the trade deadline?

Kind of feels that way to me tbh.

I think the goal right now is to make a deal before training camp but is nothing gets done in that time yes I agree that we are waiting until the trade deadline.

Rumors indicate the Blazers are very interested in trading him before training camp or even before media day, but obviously they are waiting for a deal they want so that is the hitch.

[YogurtProducer]

I hope it is Raptors for A) Raptors fan but also B) I would still be able to cheer for / follow the Raps guys in Portland grow with a fun young team in Scoot / Sharpe.

I was a proponent of Portland getting Siakam to pair with Portland and have Toronto put Barnes with Scoot/Sharpe, and I think something like that or OG alongside those guys in Portland would be equally fun.

[zzaj]

I hope it is Raptors for A) Raptors fan but also B) I would still be able to cheer for / follow the Raps guys in Portland grow with a fun young team in Scoot / Sharpe.

I was a proponent of Portland getting Siakam to pair with Portland and have Toronto put Barnes with Scoot/Sharpe, and I think something like that or OG alongside those guys in Portland would be equally fun.

I'm right there with you. Basically, one of OG or Barnes on the Blazers is a fun young nucleus. And IMHO Lillard would put Toronto as the favorites in the East, even with giving a piece back.

Unless Miami finds a legitimate PG, I don't see them as a finals team, personally. Boston could be good too, but much will depend on health of Porzingis.

[PDXKnight]

I hope it is Raptors for A) Raptors fan but also B) I would still be able to cheer for / follow the Raps guys in Portland grow with a fun young team in Scoot / Sharpe.

I was a proponent of Portland getting Siakam to pair with Portland and have Toronto put Barnes with Scoot/Sharpe, and I think something like that or OG alongside those guys in Portland would be equally fun.

I'm right there with you. Basically, one of OG or Barnes on the Blazers is a fun young nucleus. And IMHO Lillard would put Toronto as the favorites in the East, even with giving a piece back.

Unless Miami finds a legitimate PG, I don't see them as a finals team, personally. Boston could be good too, but much will depend on health of Porzingis.

I think barnes and og + 3-4 firsts is what I'd be shooting for from portlands perspective.

[YogurtProducer]

I hope it is Raptors for A) Raptors fan but also B) I would still be able to cheer for / follow the Raps guys in Portland grow with a fun young team in Scoot / Sharpe.

I was a proponent of Portland getting Siakam to pair with Portland and have Toronto put Barnes with Scoot/Sharpe, and I think something like that or OG alongside those guys in Portland would be equally fun.

I'm right there with you. Basically, one of OG or Barnes on the Blazers is a fun young nucleus. And IMHO Lillard would put Toronto as the favorites in the East, even with giving a piece back.

Unless Miami finds a legitimate PG, I don't see them as a finals team, personally. Boston could be good too, but much will depend on health of Porzingis.

I think barnes and og + 3-4 firsts is what I'd be shooting for from portlands perspective.

You wouldn't be getting that, that is for sure. Barnes proooobably is untouchable and if he does go he won't be going with any other assets, let alone OG and 3+ firsts.

You would at most get one of OG or Barnes, and I doubt that many firsts. I just don't think the market is there from anyone else to drive up the price and Masai is not a guy to overpay

[BlazersBroncos]

OG + Dick + 2FRP + TOR choice of salary filler.

Thats what I think happens. Not sure if OG stays in PDX or goes to a 3rd team though.

[tester551]

I'm right there with you. Basically, one of OG or Barnes on the Blazers is a fun young nucleus. And IMHO Lillard would put Toronto as the favorites in the East, even with giving a piece back.

Unless Miami finds a legitimate PG, I don't see them as a finals team, personally. Boston could be good too, but much will depend on health of Porzingis.

I think barnes and og + 3-4 firsts is what I'd be shooting for from portlands perspective.

You wouldn't be getting that, that is for sure. Barnes proooobably is untouchable and if he does go he won't be going with any other assets, let alone OG and 3+ firsts.

You would at most get one of OG or Barnes, and I doubt that many firsts. I just don't think the market is there from anyone else to drive up the price and Masai is not a guy to overpay

Agreed.
No chance in hell it's Barnes + OG (let along any additional compensation).

OG + Dick + 2FRP + TOR choice of salary filler.

Thats what I think happens. Not sure if OG stays in PDX or goes to a 3rd team though.

I'm right here as well. Regarding the picks, I'm guessing it will be 1 FRP and 1 swap.

[ebott]

So my question is if there is no Dame trade soon do we still try to do a trade for Ayton?

I don't think so. The main things the Suns want from an Ayton trade is a center the team doesn't already hate and cost savings. We can't just trade Nurk for Ayton. And we don't have anyone making the right amount of money to fill in the amount we need for the trade to work by cap rules. The only way we can make a trade like that is as part of a Dame deal.

[m0ng0]

I'm sure Patty had been working on Toronto all day saying... He won't sign with you so you are wasting your time, his agent told me blah blah blah. He will demand a trade to us, don't do it.

[Butter]

I REALLY hope that these Toronto rumors are true...BUT, all of these headlines are making my have doubts.

If the Raps really are the front runners, why would they keep talking about? Why wouldn't they just complete a trade?

Acknowledge 3 or 4 team deals are complicated, but I'm becoming skeptical. Hoping I'm wrong.

[m0ng0]

Set a deadline of tomorrow, get it done or we will talk at the deadline. Not what I want but it gives them time to figure out what the game plan for the season is. Shut Dame down or play him, it's time to start working on that