Would the Blazers consider this?

[Lippo]

2009 2nd
Travis Outlaw
6-9 SF from Starkville (HS)
11.5 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 1.0 apg in 27.0 minutes
Martell Webster
6-7 SF from Seattle Prep (HS)
0.0 ppg, 0.0 rpg, 0.0 apg in 2.6 minutes
Raef LaFrentz
6-11 PF / C from Kansas
0.0 ppg, 0.0 rpg, 0.0 apg in 0.0 minutes

for

2009 1st (top 5 protected)
Dan Gadzuric
6-11 C from UCLA
3.5 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 0.7 apg in 13.5 minutes
Richard Jefferson
6-7 SF from Arizona
17.3 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 2.2 apg in 35.5 minutes

With the Miles signing your not going to have cash next year anyways, and Jefferson helps your team alot more than Webster/Outlaw. Gadz adds some size and energy to the frontcourt, plus you pick up a 1st(6-10 spot) within 2-3 years.

[BlazersRizing]

yes.

[Blazin_101]

I would do that deal...

[PacificBlazer]

Ooops, I see he double posted, I'll move my response here....

The more I think about these trades the more I just want us to stand pat.

I want to see how Webster comes back from his injury and if Outlaw can continue to improve...

I know on these boards that might not be a popular opinion but I really think this young team can be something special in a couple years even if we don't make any significant trades right now.... obviously we have three point guards fighting for two spots but how they play on the court will decide who stays and who goes... and if Webster comes back and stays healthy I think he is a good fit on our starting unit.

[Spykes]

Honestly, I'd want that pick completely unprotected to be willing to take on Gadzuric's awful contract.

[zzaj]

If I was KP i'd definitely have to think about this one...

RJ would definitely be an upgrade at the 3 spot. You can think of it as a consolidation move for Martell and Outlaw, or straight across for RLEC...but doesn't the converse of that mean we are getting Gadz for Martell & Outlaw or RLEC?! That doesn't seem like good value. The pick in a weak draft...

Eventual Lineup:

Bayless/Blake
Roy/Rudy
Jefferson/Batum
Aldridge/Gadz
Oden/Przy

That looks pretty decent to me.

[Lippo]

Honestly, I'd want that pick completely unprotected to be willing to take on Gadzuric's awful contract.

You guys cant afford Paul,Williams anyways due to Miles. Gadz and RJ will falls off the books just in time to resign your youngs. With RJ your team would be the favorite (well maybe 2nd to the Lakers) in the West. If you wanted an unprotected 1st. Maybe throw in Sessions and Bayless as well.

Jefferson,Gadz,Sessions,1st(unprotected)

for

LaFrenz,Webster,Outlaw,Bayless

[Spykes]

Honestly, I'd want that pick completely unprotected to be willing to take on Gadzuric's awful contract.

You guys cant afford Paul,Williams anyways due to Miles. Gadz and RJ will falls off the books just in time to resign your youngs. With RJ your team would be the favorite (well maybe 2nd to the Lakers) in the West. If you wanted an unprotected 1st. Maybe throw in Sessions and Bayless as well.

Huh? Who said anything about Paul or Williams (both of whom are already extended btw).

And no, Gadz and RJ DON'T fall off the books when it's time to resign our players. Both Aldridge and Roy's contract extensions kick in on the final years of Gadz and RJ's contracts. That means in the 2010/2011 season, the Blazers would have roughly 47 million dollars wrapped up in 4 players (14 for Roy, 11 for Aldridge, 15 for RJ and 7 for Gadz)! That's a ridiculous amount of money, even for an owner like Paul Allen. And it doesn't help matters that Gadz is about as useful as a turd sandwich.

Gadz arguably has the worst contract in the NBA when you compare how much he gets paid to his actual on-the-court production. Not to mention both RJ and Gadz are signed past 2010, making them fairly unattractive players for a lot of teams around the league right now. If you want to get rid of those things, you're gonna have to overpay.

That's why I'd want the pick unprotected.

[Lippo]

Sorry, people on your bord are still talking about signing Paul or Williams. Didnt do my research there. And yes Oden cantract will be up then. Which will be about Gadz+RJ's

[JD45]

I think they would consider it.

Something like that is very realistic.

[cucad8]

I probably would, an ddon't care as much about the protection because even with the Redd injury, there is a decent chance, barring Milwaukee winning the lottery, that we would get the pick this year. They have 22 wins, and I would imagine withour RJ and Redd on their team, they could still manage to win 4 or 5 more games this season at least. That puts them around 26-27 wins, conservatively. I doubt OKC, Washington, LAC, or Memphis catches them there. Then there is GS, and Sacramento as well. 6 teams worse than they are. I'd take the risk that we end up with their lottery pick this season, and have our own pick and a lottery pick to try to make deals with still, if we desired. And the expiring deals of Frye and Ike.

[Red Robot]

What would Jefferson add to the Blazers? He's no longer better than Outlaw, especially at three times the price. The Blazers could do much better with Raef's contract.

[cucad8]

No longer better than Outlaw?

[Red Robot]

No longer better than Outlaw?

Let's look at the stats. Can you tell which player is Jefferson, and which is Outlaw?

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          PER   TS%   eFG%  ORB% DRB%  TRB% AST%  STL% BLK% TOV%  USG%
Player A: 14.0  .534  .469  2.5  14.0  8.0  10.6  1.2  0.3  10.1  22.8
Player B: 14.3  .519  .488  4.1  14.6  9.1  6.5   1.4  2.4  8.4   21.2


Adjusted +/- (positive numbers are better for both offense and defense):

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           Offense  Defense  Net
Player A:  0.73     -3.18    -2.45
Player B:  2.52     -1.13    +1.39

Scoring:

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           TS%  eFG%  %assisted drawF%  %jumps eFG%(jumps)
Player A: .534 .469     .66     .146      .73   .439
Player B: .519 .454     .62     .117      .84   .432

[kumquat]

Player A is jefferson because outlaw doesn't pass the ball that much

I'd rather have Martell if he comes back and is still playing good D. Jeffersons game just doesn't seem conducive to winning basketball.

[Village Idiot]

Jeffersons game just doesn't seem conducive to winning basketball.

RJ has played 72 play-off games! It takes a lot of winning to accomplish that

[PDXKnight]

Jeffersons game just doesn't seem conducive to winning basketball.

RJ has played 72 play-off games! It takes a lot of winning to accomplish that

He also had a HOF PG that made life VERY easy on him....

As for the trade suggested in the OP, there's no way I do the deal if we have to take Gadz back. Taking RJ's bloated contract should be enough and Gadz is included, there's no way Portland would include Outlaw IMO.

[SoHo]

Jeffersons game just doesn't seem conducive to winning basketball.

RJ has played 72 play-off games! It takes a lot of winning to accomplish that

He also had a HOF PG that made life VERY easy on him....

I agree with Village here, RJ has played a lot of playoff basketball and the fact that he played on a team with other great players is a plus in my book. He knows how to play on a team that has multiple options and he isn't going to come in and expect to be our go-to guy. He was an important piece on a playoff team that did very well for a number of seasons, that's exactly what we want in our SF.

[ebott]

Lies, damned lies and statistics.

[PDXKnight]

I agree with Village here, RJ has played a lot of playoff basketball and the fact that he played on a team with other great players is a plus in my book. He knows how to play on a team that has multiple options and he isn't going to come in and expect to be our go-to guy. He was an important piece on a playoff team that did very well for a number of seasons, that's exactly what we want in our SF.

I'm not trying to take anything away from RJ for getting to the playoffs and winning, but after eventually becoming more than a role player in NJ, it seems like it's gotten to his mind at times. If he would be willing to be a 12-14 PPG player, he may be an option, but it's pretty clear that RJ won't have much of a chance to be a 'star' player in Portland.