2022-2023 Trade thread

[codydaze]

Stein mentioned teams are monitoring Holmes as a potential buyout candidate. Unless we desperately needed the roster spot for a big trade, I think that would be a dumb move. Just can't see it happening.

Buyout? I think there's a better chance Kings get two All Star starters.

Yeah like someone in the T&T board said, this has to be coming from another team trying to get the asking price down. No chance this is coming from our side if we're actively trying to move him.

[LightTheBeam]

It doesn't even make sense? We are going to buy out Holmes and keep his dead cap the next 2 years? What do we get out of that. At worst right now he's an insurance big man/backup big who can be used as trade salary later down the line.

Monte isn't dumb. At least I hope he isn't.

[codydaze]

How do you guys feel about Drummond as a trade target? I think I would be fine sending Len and a couple seconds for him if that's all it took.

[OxAndFox]

How do you guys feel about Drummond as a trade target? I think I would be fine sending Len and a couple seconds for him if that's all it took.

I think a small move like this is one that I can get behind. I would take out the 2nd though as you're saving the Bulls $3m, which I'm guessing is the reason they do it.

The question I have though is why would Brown play Drummond when he doesn't play Holmes?
Apparently Brown wants a 5 that can come in and not foul. Drummond has a higher foul rate than Holmes. The defensive impact is narrowly in Drummond's favor so the narrowly higher foul rate can be attributed to that. Both guys aren't good in the system the Kings run.
Obviously, Drummond still rebounds with the best of them. But that doesn't seem to matter to Brown. It's who can stay on the court longer.

If it was just for Len obviously would say yes and you can work it out from there. Just wouldn't want $15m of backup center next season not getting on the court.

[KF10]

How do you guys feel about Drummond as a trade target? I think I would be fine sending Len and a couple seconds for him if that's all it took.

Dude is a beast rebounder but doesn't really offer anything else in the context of Brown's system. I would rather look somewhere else, imo.

[OxAndFox]

Honest question. After looking at the last 5 games. Some good/great, some bad, and with the deadline looming

IMO nothing will happen with the starting 5 unless it's a blockbuster.
Bench guys:
Monk: Will NOT be traded.
Davion: Personally I would look to get off him if possible. In his role he isn't going to get better. Cut bait if you can get "something"
Holmes: for expiring or 2nd year expiring money and will attach as many 2nds as possible?
Lyles: Does anyone want him? What are the Kings' plans?
Davis: Nobody wants him, Kings surely won't sign him?
Len: See above.
Metu: And again, see above. Would be surprised if he got another contract.
Okpala: only one of the above small contracts with a 2 year. Keep him as he could become a decent 8-10mpg specialist player. I say this as you can't have Davion as your 8-10mpg defensive specialist and if it's longer, you're going to struggle.

[LightTheBeam]

A family member brought up Thybulle, but his idea was a little different than others. He would want to replace Mitchell with Thyubulle and let Monk essentially be the backup PG. In a sense Thybulle is basically a taller Mitchell.

I've never liked the idea of bringing in Thybulle because those lineups with Mitchell - Thybulle - Sabonis will struggle badly shooting the ball. But if we followed it up with Mitchell for someone like Richardson is could make some sense?

Monk - Richardson - Thybulle - Lyles off the bench. You have 2 good wing defenders, and 3 capable shooters. Thybulle basically takes the hardest assignment on defense of the 3, and then camps the corner.

Thoughts?

[Kabaum]

A family member brought up Thybulle, but his idea was a little different than others. He would want to replace Mitchell with Thyubulle and let Monk essentially be the backup PG. In a sense Thybulle is basically a taller Mitchell.

I've never liked the idea of bringing in Thybulle because those lineups with Mitchell - Thybulle - Sabonis will struggle badly shooting the ball. But if we followed it up with Mitchell for someone like Richardson is could make some sense?

Monk - Richardson - Thybulle - Lyles off the bench. You have 2 good wing defenders, and 3 capable shooters. Thybulle basically takes the hardest assignment on defense of the 3, and then camps the corner.

Thoughts?

I'm probably wrong about this but I feel like Thybulle would be a better shooter and have a better 3p% in our offense than what he's been in the past few seasons. Could turn into the 3&D guy we need in our rotation. If Kings can get Thybull and Mo Bamba added to our rotation without loosing too much that would be a ideal trade deadline pick up for me.

[OxAndFox]

A family member brought up Thybulle, but his idea was a little different than others. He would want to replace Mitchell with Thyubulle and let Monk essentially be the backup PG. In a sense Thybulle is basically a taller Mitchell.

I've never liked the idea of bringing in Thybulle because those lineups with Mitchell - Thybulle - Sabonis will struggle badly shooting the ball. But if we followed it up with Mitchell for someone like Richardson is could make some sense?

Monk - Richardson - Thybulle - Lyles off the bench. You have 2 good wing defenders, and 3 capable shooters. Thybulle basically takes the hardest assignment on defense of the 3, and then camps the corner.

Thoughts?

I'm probably wrong about this but I feel like Thybulle would be a better shooter and have a better 3p% in our offense than what he's been in the past few seasons. Could turn into the 3&D guy we need in our rotation. If Kings can get Thybull and Mo Bamba added to our rotation without loosing too much that would be a ideal trade deadline pick up for me.

I think you could be right. And I've been interested in MT for a while, but his shooting is a huge worry. Philly doesn't seem to be the best at developing players outside shot.

But to me, the Kings shouldn't give anything of substance as Philly doesn't want him anyway. The TPE from the Hali trade doesn't get there.
Len/'23 Kings 2nd for MT
Metu/TPE for MT/'23 2nd (most favorable of Char, Atl, Brooklyn)
Okpala/TPE for MT

[Kabaum]

A family member brought up Thybulle, but his idea was a little different than others. He would want to replace Mitchell with Thyubulle and let Monk essentially be the backup PG. In a sense Thybulle is basically a taller Mitchell.

I've never liked the idea of bringing in Thybulle because those lineups with Mitchell - Thybulle - Sabonis will struggle badly shooting the ball. But if we followed it up with Mitchell for someone like Richardson is could make some sense?

Monk - Richardson - Thybulle - Lyles off the bench. You have 2 good wing defenders, and 3 capable shooters. Thybulle basically takes the hardest assignment on defense of the 3, and then camps the corner.

Thoughts?

I'm probably wrong about this but I feel like Thybulle would be a better shooter and have a better 3p% in our offense than what he's been in the past few seasons. Could turn into the 3&D guy we need in our rotation. If Kings can get Thybull and Mo Bamba added to our rotation without loosing too much that would be a ideal trade deadline pick up for me.

I think you could be right. And I've been interested in MT for a while, but his shooting is a huge worry. Philly doesn't seem to be the best at developing players outside shot.

But to me, the Kings shouldn't give anything of substance as Philly doesn't want him anyway. The TPE from the Hali trade doesn't get there.
Len/'23 Kings 2nd for MT
Metu/TPE for MT/'23 2nd (most favorable of Char, Atl, Brooklyn)
Okpala/TPE for MT

I think we would need to throw in someone like Terence Davis and 2nd for Thybulle. MT would take up even more of Davis's minutes and he's too good not to be in someone's rotation.

[City of Trees]

I read Philly is looking for a two way player or back up center in return for Thybulle or Niang.

[OGSactownballer]

I read Philly is looking for a two way player or back up center in return for Thybulle or Niang.

I’d throw out Len and a 2nd. Nothing more.

[OGSactownballer]

Price has been reduced on Collins.

Holmes, expiring filler and release of protections to top 1 (3?).
on the ‘24 pick for Collins?

[City of Trees]

I read Philly is looking for a two way player or back up center in return for Thybulle or Niang.

I’d throw out Len and a 2nd. Nothing more.

From Philly's point of view they are searching for a back up Center to join their playoff rotation. Could Len log playoff minutes for a contender? I'm not so sure?

[City of Trees]

I heard Matt Barnes during pre game talking about the possibility of moving Davion and I honestly believe Davion would welcome a trade to a team he can start on. He's never going to supplant Fox so what is the endgame for Davion on the Kings? Provide defense off the bench until it's time to hit RFA? I understand why moving Davion makes sense to some. Is Davion's value high enough to justify a trade?

[BoogieTime]

I heard Matt Barnes during pre game talking about the possibility of moving Davion and I honestly believe Davion would welcome a trade to a team he can start on. He's never going to supplant Fox so what is the endgame for Davion on the Kings? Provide defense off the bench until it's time to hit RFA? I understand why moving Davion makes sense to some. Is Davion's value high enough to justify a trade?

I'd personally move him to move Holmes. At this point I think Davion is just a non needle moving backup pg. yes his defense is situationally good, but his offense is just subpar. Delly hasn't been worse in the few minutes hes gotten, and the money could be better spent

[OxAndFox]

I heard Matt Barnes during pre game talking about the possibility of moving Davion and I honestly believe Davion would welcome a trade to a team he can start on. He's never going to supplant Fox so what is the endgame for Davion on the Kings? Provide defense off the bench until it's time to hit RFA? I understand why moving Davion makes sense to some. Is Davion's value high enough to justify a trade?

I'd personally move him to move Holmes. At this point I think Davion is just a non needle moving backup pg. yes his defense is situationally good, but his offense is just subpar. Delly hasn't been worse in the few minutes hes gotten, and the money could be better spent

Overall I agree here. Wouldn't do it for nothing this season, maybe in the off season.
Delly is strictly here for chemistry/practise etc. Not for game minutes unless absolutely necessary. He won't be able to play for a stretch.
So if the idea was to do something at the deadline a backup PG would need to be found. Fox should call in a favour to Klutch and get Bledsoe out of retirement.

[TyFrekey]

I heard Matt Barnes during pre game talking about the possibility of moving Davion and I honestly believe Davion would welcome a trade to a team he can start on. He's never going to supplant Fox so what is the endgame for Davion on the Kings? Provide defense off the bench until it's time to hit RFA? I understand why moving Davion makes sense to some. Is Davion's value high enough to justify a trade?

I'm of the opinion that we look to move him not because I don't think he's a good player or doesn't have the potential to develop into one, but because I don't think he can develop one in his current role as mentioned before, which means I think he would be more valuable to another team than he is to us. Of course, that is predicated on other teams sharing the opinion that he has the potential to be a valuable player. He's obviously great defensively, but offensively he just doesn't match what this team needs given that Fox and Monk provide most of the playmaking from the guard position. Davion, much like Holmes, needs to be in a system where he can run pick and rolls at will, and in Davion's case use his strength of his burst of speeds to attack the rim. I actually think the two of them should be really good together if given the opportunity/time, which is why I kind of think there could be some value in trying to move them together.

Anyway, I would have to think some team out there sees value in Davion after how he ended last season offensively and his defensive reputation.

[OxAndFox]

I'm going to make 2 out there predictions for a deadline trade with the TPE.

1 - Justice Winslow for TPE. Doesn't quite get the Blazers under the tax though (short by $602,799), but if they make another trade it will be easier to get under.

2 - Kira Lewis Jr for TPE/'23 Ind 2nd/$3m cash
Again, doesn't quite get them under the tax and KL is young so they probably don't want to give up on him just yet.

[OxAndFox]

I heard Matt Barnes during pre game talking about the possibility of moving Davion and I honestly believe Davion would welcome a trade to a team he can start on. He's never going to supplant Fox so what is the endgame for Davion on the Kings? Provide defense off the bench until it's time to hit RFA? I understand why moving Davion makes sense to some. Is Davion's value high enough to justify a trade?

I'm of the opinion that we look to move him not because I don't think he's a good player or doesn't have the potential to develop into one, but because I don't think he can develop one in his current role as mentioned before, which means I think he would be more valuable to another team than he is to us. Of course, that is predicated on other teams sharing the opinion that he has the potential to be a valuable player. He's obviously great defensively, but offensively he just doesn't match what this team needs given that Fox and Monk provide most of the playmaking from the guard position. Davion, much like Holmes, needs to be in a system where he can run pick and rolls at will, and in Davion's case use his strength of his burst of speeds to attack the rim. I actually think the two of them should be really good together if given the opportunity/time, which is why I kind of think there could be some value in trying to move them together.

Anyway, I would have to think some team out there sees value in Davion after how he ended last season offensively and his defensive reputation.

The problem with Davion is there simply aren't many teams needing a starting PG, well more to the point, Davion isn't better than them.
The teams that might be able to start him at the position would be Chicago (depends on how they view Dos/White), Dallas (Luka is the "PG" but they could work a PG into the line-up), and Clippers. I can't see any other team, right at this moment either trading their starting PG for Davion or trading for him to take over from the current starter.
It doesn't get much better when looking at the backup. Charlotte, Chicago (again depends on how they view Dos+White), Dallas, Clippers, Minnesota, New York, OKC, Toronto.