2023 Off-season Thread

[LightTheBeam]

OK. So if the Kings are the team that is working out Harry Giles, how does that make everyone feel?

If you take away his injuries he is a terrific backup for Domas with his passing skills. However, you can't discount the injuries.
Would love to see him get another shot though.

BRING BACK GILES!!!

I was at game 7 vs the Warriors, he was in attendance and the crowd erupted. We are talking about a possible 4th string center here (depending how you view Lyles). Maybe works his way ahead of Len due to his passing. Worst case we have a guy who loves Sacramento, and is a great locker room/friend of Fox's. I'd give him a 1 year deal

[blind prophet]

I've got next to zero faith Queta will develop, so any look at a center is good.

I'd give Queta until the end of summer league and then look to add if need be.

Maybe we'll see someone on another team during summer league as well.

[OxAndFox]

I've got next to zero faith Queta will develop, so any look at a center is good.

I'd give Queta until the end of summer league and then look to add if need be.

Maybe we'll see someone on another team during summer league as well.

Would have to agree here. I think we're all big Queta fans, but he needs to show something. If he wants a contract, he needs to go out and get it. Rebounding is the biggest question mark for me. He doesn't grab enough boards for his size. His D isn't bad, but I wouldn't even mind him to fight it out in training camp with a couple of other try outs along with Domas/Lyles/Len.

[donkeylips]

Can Giles be signed as a two way? He was drafted ages ago but only played 3 season in the nba.

[OxAndFox]

Can Giles be signed as a two way? He was drafted ages ago but only played 3 season in the nba.

Well as it turns out he can. What did they call it on the Beat Podcast (sorry Boogie)? The Harry Giles rule.
Quoting Hoopshype.

A new provision on two-way contracts in the new CBA will informally be dubbed the “Harry Giles III rule,” which will allow NBA players who sit out an entire season not to have that year count toward the three-year maximum service for two-way eligibility.A new provision on two-way contracts in the new CBA will informally be dubbed the “Harry Giles III rule,” which will allow NBA players who sit out an entire season not to have that year count toward the three-year maximum service for two-way eligibility.

[OxAndFox]

Ok. 3 questions.
1 - Are the Kings done with the roster, in regards to rotation spots this off season?
2 - If the Kings kept the core together due to chemistry this off season, do you see a trade happening mid season given said chemistry? I mean, one of the ones that wasn't here, can you see a Vezenkov trade? As in, if someone wants him it means he's doing well right? If they trade him does it mean he is not going well? (almost impossible I know).
3 - There are 2 spots on the roster. Name 2 players you want to bring to camp to fight it out for the spots.

[donkeylips]

Ok. 3 questions.
1 - Are the Kings done with the roster, in regards to rotation spots this off season?
2 - If the Kings kept the core together due to chemistry this off season, do you see a trade happening mid season given said chemistry? I mean, one of the ones that wasn't here, can you see a Vezenkov trade? As in, if someone wants him it means he's doing well right? If they trade him does it mean he is not going well? (almost impossible I know).
3 - There are 2 spots on the roster. Name 2 players you want to bring to camp to fight it out for the spots.

1. yes, i dont think there are any free agents that i can see crack a rotation spot
2. if the price for og goes down, i can see them targeting him
3. ford and from someone else's summer league roster.

[LightTheBeam]

I think adding a big wing should be the biggest priority. I have no issues letting Lyles get the backup 5 minutes, and Len is fine in a pinch.

Fox/Mitchell hold down all the pg minutes, and in case of injury we can use Colby + Monk. Ford would be a nice 2-way contract for this team.

Currently we have no playable backup SF. I know some of you are high on Edwards and hopefully he develops, but he doesn't even look impressive in summer league. And Duarte is too small to be a reliable backup 3. This should be 1 thing we address before the season starts.

[KF10]

I think adding a big wing should be the biggest priority. I have no issues letting Lyles get the backup 5 minutes, and Len is fine in a pinch.

Fox/Mitchell hold down all the pg minutes, and in case of injury we can use Colby + Monk. Ford would be a nice 2-way contract for this team.

Currently we have no playable backup SF. I know some of you are high on Edwards and hopefully he develops, but he doesn't even look impressive in summer league. And Duarte is too small to be a reliable backup 3. This should be 1 thing we address before the season starts.

Agreed.

I think Duarte at 3 can work only in a pinch when the Kings go small.

I wonder if Oubre can come over for the min here lol

I believe he is friends with Fox

[LightTheBeam]

I think adding a big wing should be the biggest priority. I have no issues letting Lyles get the backup 5 minutes, and Len is fine in a pinch.

Fox/Mitchell hold down all the pg minutes, and in case of injury we can use Colby + Monk. Ford would be a nice 2-way contract for this team.

Currently we have no playable backup SF. I know some of you are high on Edwards and hopefully he develops, but he doesn't even look impressive in summer league. And Duarte is too small to be a reliable backup 3. This should be 1 thing we address before the season starts.

Agreed.

I think Duarte at 3 can work only in a pinch when the Kings go small.

I wonder if Oubre can come over for the min here lol

I believe he is friends with Fox

Man Oubre kills us everytime we play him. He's been a pest back since his Washington days. But some reason, every team he goes to decides they prefer to just move on from him. He's like the wing version of Wood.

Honestly I see the break down once Sasha gets comfortable as

Sabonis (34)
Lyles (18-20)
Sasha (18-20)
Barnes (30-34)
Murray (30-34)

Assuming Barnes/Murray (depending how you see them) will be playing a good amount of backup 3 minutes. Oubre would scare me because he definitely wouldn't be happy playing 10mpg barring injury

[madskillz8]

I'd rather keep a roster spot empty, than giving it to Oubre. He has all the tools of your average 20m per year player. However, as far as I observe, his attitude on and off the court is awful. This might explain why he's getting treated just like Wood even though he's able to produce at daily basis. Because of his success on the court, he just becomes that uneducated but inspiring individual that can easily provoke your young players to make awful decisions. Lol

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2023/6/6/23750808/lamelo-ball-custom-watch-price-ap-video-hornets-nba

[madskillz8]

And that's the FA list you were looking for:

do any of these players get signed?

Remaining Free Agents (age):

CENTERS

Bismack Biyombo (31)
Bol Bol (24)
Tony Bradley (25)
Moses Brown (24)
Willie Cauley-Stein (30)
DeMarcus Cousins (33)
Dewayne Dedmon (34)
Gorgui Dieng (33)
Willy Hernangomez (29)
Jay Huff (26)
Mfiondu Kabengele (26)
Frank Kaminsky (30)
Meyers Leonard (31)
Boban Marjanovic (35)
Nerlens Noel (29)
Marko Simonovic (24)
Tristan Thompson (32)
Omer Yurtseven (25)

POWER FORWARDS

Darius Bazley (23)
Greg Brown (22)
Mamadi Diakite (26)
Derrick Favors (32)
Wenyen Gabriel (26)
Taj Gibson (38)
JaMychal Green (33)
Blake Griffin (34)
Juancho Hernangomez (28)
Serge Ibaka (34)
James Johnson (36)
Nathan Knight (26)
Markieff Morris (34)
KZ Okapala (24)
Admiral Schofield (26)
Noah Vonleh (28)
Trendon Watford (23)
Christian Wood (28)
P.J. Washington (25)

SMALL FORWARDS

Thanasis Antetokounmpo (31)
Maurice Harkless (30)
Justin Jackson (28)
Stanley Johnson (27)
Derrick Jones (26)
Louis King (24)
Kevin Knox (24)
Anthony Lamb (25)
Wesley Matthews (37)
Eugene Omoruyi (26)
Kelly Oubre (28)
Juan Toscano-Anderson (30)
T.J. Warren (30)
Dylan Windler (27)
Justise Winslow (27)

SHOOTING GUARD

Will Barton (32)
Buddy Boeheim (24)
Jarrett Culver (24)
Terence Davis (26)
Hamidou Diallo (25)
David Duke (24)
Bryn Forbes (30)
Danny Green (36)
Javonte Green (30)
R.J. Hampton (22)
Shaquille Harrison (30)
Romeo Langford (24)
Rodney McGruder (32)
Xavier Moon (28)
Svi Mykhailiuk (26)
Daishen Nix (21)
Jaylen Nowell (24)
Theo Pinson (28)
Joshua Primo (21)
Trevelin Queen (26)
Davon Reed (28)
Terrence Ross (32)
Austin Rivers (31)
Jay Scrubb (23)
Garrett Temple (37)
Gabe York (30)

POINT GUARDS

Ryan Arcidiacono (29)
D.J. Augustin (36)
Jared Butler (23)
Michael Carter-Williams (32)
Kennedy Chandler (21)
Ayo Dosunmu (23)
Goran Dragic (37)
George Hill (37)
Mac McClung (24)
Raul Neto (31)
Frank Ntilikina (25)
Kendrick Nunn (28)
Scotty Pippen Jr. (23)
Ish Smith (35)
Kemba Walker (33)
John Wall (33)

[LuDux1]

So apparently word is going round that Lithuanian national team coach said that Domas had thumb surgery. After listening to that bit I believe it was mistranslation

[KF10]

I think adding a big wing should be the biggest priority. I have no issues letting Lyles get the backup 5 minutes, and Len is fine in a pinch.

Fox/Mitchell hold down all the pg minutes, and in case of injury we can use Colby + Monk. Ford would be a nice 2-way contract for this team.

Currently we have no playable backup SF. I know some of you are high on Edwards and hopefully he develops, but he doesn't even look impressive in summer league. And Duarte is too small to be a reliable backup 3. This should be 1 thing we address before the season starts.

Agreed.

I think Duarte at 3 can work only in a pinch when the Kings go small.

I wonder if Oubre can come over for the min here lol

I believe he is friends with Fox

Man Oubre kills us everytime we play him. He's been a pest back since his Washington days. But some reason, every team he goes to decides they prefer to just move on from him. He's like the wing version of Wood.

Honestly I see the break down once Sasha gets comfortable as

Sabonis (34)
Lyles (18-20)
Sasha (18-20)
Barnes (30-34)
Murray (30-34)

Assuming Barnes/Murray (depending how you see them) will be playing a good amount of backup 3 minutes. Oubre would scare me because he definitely wouldn't be happy playing 10mpg barring injury

Yeah. He strikes as a guy who has off court stuff that can affect team chemistry. Also it seems like most of the team fans that watch Oubre the most don’t want him back anymore lol

We should look somewhere else.

[KF10]

And that's the FA list you were looking for:

do any of these players get signed?

Remaining Free Agents (age):

CENTERS

Bismack Biyombo (31)
Bol Bol (24)
Tony Bradley (25)
Moses Brown (24)
Willie Cauley-Stein (30)
DeMarcus Cousins (33)
Dewayne Dedmon (34)
Gorgui Dieng (33)
Willy Hernangomez (29)
Jay Huff (26)
Mfiondu Kabengele (26)
Frank Kaminsky (30)
Meyers Leonard (31)
Boban Marjanovic (35)
Nerlens Noel (29)
Marko Simonovic (24)
Tristan Thompson (32)
Omer Yurtseven (25)

POWER FORWARDS

Darius Bazley (23)
Greg Brown (22)
Mamadi Diakite (26)
Derrick Favors (32)
Wenyen Gabriel (26)
Taj Gibson (38)
JaMychal Green (33)
Blake Griffin (34)
Juancho Hernangomez (28)
Serge Ibaka (34)
James Johnson (36)
Nathan Knight (26)
Markieff Morris (34)
KZ Okapala (24)
Admiral Schofield (26)
Noah Vonleh (28)
Trendon Watford (23)
Christian Wood (28)
P.J. Washington (25)

SMALL FORWARDS

Thanasis Antetokounmpo (31)
Maurice Harkless (30)
Justin Jackson (28)
Stanley Johnson (27)
Derrick Jones (26)
Louis King (24)
Kevin Knox (24)
Anthony Lamb (25)
Wesley Matthews (37)
Eugene Omoruyi (26)
Kelly Oubre (28)
Juan Toscano-Anderson (30)
T.J. Warren (30)
Dylan Windler (27)
Justise Winslow (27)

SHOOTING GUARD

Will Barton (32)
Buddy Boeheim (24)
Jarrett Culver (24)
Terence Davis (26)
Hamidou Diallo (25)
David Duke (24)
Bryn Forbes (30)
Danny Green (36)
Javonte Green (30)
R.J. Hampton (22)
Shaquille Harrison (30)
Romeo Langford (24)
Rodney McGruder (32)
Xavier Moon (28)
Svi Mykhailiuk (26)
Daishen Nix (21)
Jaylen Nowell (24)
Theo Pinson (28)
Joshua Primo (21)
Trevelin Queen (26)
Davon Reed (28)
Terrence Ross (32)
Austin Rivers (31)
Jay Scrubb (23)
Garrett Temple (37)
Gabe York (30)

POINT GUARDS

Ryan Arcidiacono (29)
D.J. Augustin (36)
Jared Butler (23)
Michael Carter-Williams (32)
Kennedy Chandler (21)
Ayo Dosunmu (23)
Goran Dragic (37)
George Hill (37)
Mac McClung (24)
Raul Neto (31)
Frank Ntilikina (25)
Kendrick Nunn (28)
Scotty Pippen Jr. (23)
Ish Smith (35)
Kemba Walker (33)
John Wall (33)

TJ Warren?

He has the Sabonis connection from Indy days.

Wouldn’t mind him for depth behind Barnes tbh

[LightTheBeam]

Agreed.

I think Duarte at 3 can work only in a pinch when the Kings go small.

I wonder if Oubre can come over for the min here lol

I believe he is friends with Fox

Man Oubre kills us everytime we play him. He's been a pest back since his Washington days. But some reason, every team he goes to decides they prefer to just move on from him. He's like the wing version of Wood.

Honestly I see the break down once Sasha gets comfortable as

Sabonis (34)
Lyles (18-20)
Sasha (18-20)
Barnes (30-34)
Murray (30-34)

Assuming Barnes/Murray (depending how you see them) will be playing a good amount of backup 3 minutes. Oubre would scare me because he definitely wouldn't be happy playing 10mpg barring injury

Yeah. He strikes as a guy who has off court stuff that can affect team chemistry. Also it seems like most of the team fans that watch Oubre the most don’t want him back anymore lol

We should look somewhere else.

Ya we were really fortunate last year, Keegan and Barnes missed a combined 2 games. Can't imagine we repeat that luck. Problem is the remaining FA class is pretty awful.

Justice Winslow is a name id consider, but man offensively hes been horrible.

TJ Warren is interesting if he's finally healthy.

After that it's names like Derrick Jones Jr, the corpse of Danny Green, Bazley.. Yuck

Our best option may be just committing to going small

[LightTheBeam]

Noel to Sac on a 1 year deal. I'd guess that means team is cutting ties with Queta or at best bringing him back on a 2-way.

Hasn't played much the last few years, but I like what he brings more than Len to be honest. Finally some rim protection if he can get back in sync.

[codydaze]

Noel to Sac on a 1 year deal. I'd guess that means team is cutting ties with Queta or at best bringing him back on a 2-way.

Hasn't played much the last few years, but I like what he brings more than Len to be honest. Finally some rim protection if he can get back in sync.

Yeah, I feel like this either means we move on from Queta or Jordan Ford gets a spot on the 15 man.

[KF10]

Nerlins is better than Queta by quite a bit.

Queta experiment is over I think.

[LightTheBeam]

Noel to Sac on a 1 year deal. I'd guess that means team is cutting ties with Queta or at best bringing him back on a 2-way.

Hasn't played much the last few years, but I like what he brings more than Len to be honest. Finally some rim protection if he can get back in sync.

Yeah, I feel like this either means we move on from Queta or Jordan Ford gets a spot on the 15 man.

I wouldn't be shocked by either of those. Ford looked good.

by natural position not depth chart

Centers - Sabonis, Len, Noel
PFs - Sasha, Lyles
SFs - Keegan, Barnes, Edwards
SGs - Huerter, Monk, Duarte, Colby
PGs - Fox, Mitchell

I think my preference would still be Ford on a 2-way deal, cut Queta loose. and then signing another forward to the 15 man roster. I think you can get by with Fox/Mitchell, when you need you can call up Ford and even have Colby play some pg minutes.

This deal has me questioning how they feel about Lyles playing backup center. Most people thought with Sasha coming that meant Lyles would get the backup center minutes. They didn't do it much last season, I could see it being used more but still situational.

Guessing we see a lot of mix matching 1 of Keegan/Barnes and 1 of Lyles/Sasha. But if we lose Keegan/Barnes for any significant amount of time we are in trouble.