2023-2024 Trade Thread

[OxAndFox]

Ignoring how unlikely this scenario sounds- If the Kings trade Monk now would that allow them to offer a larger contract in the off-season?

No because we wouldn't have cap space anyway. So it would be MLE.
If they traded Barnes/Huerter/Davion for expirings and they renounced the incoming players rights the Kings could afford to give Monk a larger contract than what he currently could sign with early bird.

Oh forgot to add, I think the Kings can do that anyway whether they trade him or not because his cap hold would be low.

[codydaze]

Lowe says the Kings don't want to add a big contract in any trade. Kyle Kuzma YOU are a Sacramento King

I think one of the reasons if because they want to get under the cap for Monk, who IMO will supersede a early bird

Thats why they were targeting a EXPIRING Siakam IMO, over a more fitting Grant IMO (Siakam's value could be so low it could rival the cost it would take to give Barnes/Huerter/Mitchell to some team for expirings)

madness. So we're desperate to just run it back? If we aren't real competitors with Monk on the cheap, how do we get better after paying him big money? Make it make sense? Are they seriously banking on some type of major step up from Murray? It's not going to happen. Huge upside was never on the cards for him as a prospect. At best we were always looking for him to be Middleton or Mikal light. Neither of which inspire much confidence as a #3. But it's damn perfect to remain pretenders and keep the seats filled and owners making money

Why do you feel he caps out as Middleton or Mikal light when he's putting up better numbers than both of them at the same age? Contributing more on better teams than both those guys were at this point in their careers?

[OxAndFox]

With Monk leaving a legit possibility is there any chance we see Monte tear it down to the axle and frame (Ox & Fox)? Trade Barnes, Huerter, Davion for an expiring

Re-mold the supporting cast around Fox, Sabonis, Murray?


Fox / ? / Ellis

? / Duarte / Colby Jones

Murray / ?

? / Lyles / Sasha

Sabonis / ?


This feels like a steep hill to climb in one off-season and no 1st round pick.

I don't see free agency being something to improve the team. Trading for replacement guys after you trade away Barnes/Huerter is going to be tough too.
If they were going to do something like this, honestly I would go and trade for Lavine right now and start Lyles at the 4.
His contract is bad, but at least Lavine can score with the best of them. Protects Fox/Sabonis from wearing down.

[FarBeyondDriven]

I think one of the reasons if because they want to get under the cap for Monk, who IMO will supersede a early bird

Thats why they were targeting a EXPIRING Siakam IMO, over a more fitting Grant IMO (Siakam's value could be so low it could rival the cost it would take to give Barnes/Huerter/Mitchell to some team for expirings)

madness. So we're desperate to just run it back? If we aren't real competitors with Monk on the cheap, how do we get better after paying him big money? Make it make sense? Are they seriously banking on some type of major step up from Murray? It's not going to happen. Huge upside was never on the cards for him as a prospect. At best we were always looking for him to be Middleton or Mikal light. Neither of which inspire much confidence as a #3. But it's damn perfect to remain pretenders and keep the seats filled and owners making money

Why do you feel he caps out as Middleton or Mikal light when he's putting up better numbers than both of them at the same age? Contributing more on better teams than both those guys were at this point in their careers?

Because both those players, at peak, are better than what I believe Murray will be at peak. I just think Middleton is a much better scorer and don't see that upside in Murray. I think Mikal with his crazy length is a much better defender and Murray can't help that he's not as long so he's limited.

It's easier to score in today's NBA. He's shooting twice as many threes as they did. The Bucks had similar success as we are when Middleton was 23 y/o. The Suns were a very young team when Mikal was 23 y/o. Also, Murray is playing with two veteran stars unlike those two who had early 20s Giannis and Booker as stars. I'm sorry, I just don't see much upside with Murray and with how flawed our roster is, that means we won't really compete. I'd love to be wrong.

What kind of upside do you see in him? Like, will he be a dramatically improved and different player or just slightly better at what he does now which is where I'm at?

[LightTheBeam]

Eventually we need to upgrade Huerter, but tonight showed again why the 4 is more important. I think we hold Huerter at the deadline unless someone is valuing him. He's super streaky, but he does have it in him to get hot. Move Barnes + Davion + duarte + picks. Add a 4 and another playable guard and we in business.

[OxAndFox]

Eventually we need to upgrade Huerter, but tonight showed again why the 4 is more important. I think we hold Huerter at the deadline unless someone is valuing him. He's super streaky, but he does have it in him to get hot. Move Barnes + Davion + duarte + picks. Add a 4 and another playable guard and we in business.

Not suggesting I agree with it, but I think Duarte is here to stay. He absolutely needs to improve, but I think he has it in him.

Barnes/Davion and picks aren't going to get a huge upgrade so maybe Kuzma it is.
Keep the powder dry on a Siakam deal, but if something doesn't eventuate I'm in on WCJ. Still only 24 and signed long term to a nice contract. Hits the 3, plays D and isn't a bad passer.

[Crimson King]

Barnes/Davion and picks aren't going to get a huge upgrade so maybe Kuzma it is.
Keep the powder dry on a Siakam deal, but if something doesn't eventuate I'm in on WCJ. Still only 24 and signed long term to a nice contract. Hits the 3, plays D and isn't a bad passer.

I agree, WCJ fits perfectly in every sense (age, position, contract).

[codydaze]

I'm hoping for Grant and Thybulle. I think they would really help this team.

[OxAndFox]

I'm hoping for Grant and Thybulle. I think they would really help this team.

OK. Where do you see minutes/shot dist./etc in that?
Thybulle doesn't need to shoot at all. But just needs to be a corner 3 specialist.
I mentioned this last year, but everyone was against it as he "can't shoot" but in reality he was just not confident because Doc told him not to shoot at all.

[codydaze]

I'm hoping for Grant and Thybulle. I think they would really help this team.

OK. Where do you see minutes/shot dist./etc in that?
Thybulle doesn't need to shoot at all. But just needs to be a corner 3 specialist.
I mentioned this last year, but everyone was against it as he "can't shoot" but in reality he was just not confident because Doc told him not to shoot at all.

I know not all FGA are created equal but Grant/Thybulle are averaging 20.7 combined this year and HB/Huerter are combining for 16.7. Grant's taking more shots this year since he's effectively the number 1 or 2 option depending on if Simons is out there or not so I see him taking a few less shots but I don't see shot distribution being much of an issue.

The DHO action in our offense would take a hit for sure but that really hasn't been very effectively used this season regardless. Someone like Lavine could be effective in the Huerter DHO role but I'm less of a fan of his contract due to injuries and him being a worse defender than Grant. His contract is not great either but at least he's got good length and plays a more premium position.

[wco81]

Wonder what was the obstacle to a Kings-Raptors trade for Siakam.

Widely reported that Raptors were demanding Murray but it seemed like Kings were rumored to still be in the Siakam trade market.

Then there was a report that Siakam said he wouldn't extend in Sacto.

Did the Pacers get a green light from Siakam's camp and that is why they pulled the trigger? Brown is a good player who plays bigger than his size but still only 6-2 or 6-3 and those 3 FRPs are likely to be in the 20s.

[codydaze]

Wonder what was the obstacle to a Kings-Raptors trade for Siakam.

Widely reported that Raptors were demanding Murray but it seemed like Kings were rumored to still be in the Siakam trade market.

Then there was a report that Siakam said he wouldn't extend in Sacto.

Did the Pacers get a green light from Siakam's camp and that is why they pulled the trigger? Brown is a good player who plays bigger than his size but still only 6-2 or 6-3 and those 3 FRPs are likely to be in the 20s.

We didn't have 3 FRPs to give and Brown is better than anyone we would have been willing to offer.

[BoogieTime]

As I thought before that Siakam-Indy trade it looks like a sellers market. A lot of teams being interested in upgrades in reports from the Pistons/Lakers/Mavs/Hawks/ etc. 3 picks and expirings is way more than I thought Siakam would attain under the circumstances... Its positive for what I think we will be trying to do (sell and get under the cap), and thankfully there looks to be takers for Barnes (Rockets), but the prices for some of these other pieces out here could be a bit higher than I thought

[OxAndFox]

I would highly doubt Monte sends Barnes to Houston for space. It would be Oladipo/Landale in the deal. If they like the Brooklyn 1sts then no worries. But I would think Kings players would be upset throwing away a season like that.

[OxAndFox]

Wonder what was the obstacle to a Kings-Raptors trade for Siakam.

Widely reported that Raptors were demanding Murray but it seemed like Kings were rumored to still be in the Siakam trade market.

Then there was a report that Siakam said he wouldn't extend in Sacto.

Did the Pacers get a green light from Siakam's camp and that is why they pulled the trigger? Brown is a good player who plays bigger than his size but still only 6-2 or 6-3 and those 3 FRPs are likely to be in the 20s.

IMO it's clear the deal was Barnes/Huerter 1st/1st.

Not sure why Keegan gets bought up all the time. If the Raptors couldn't even get Mathurin or Walker put into the deal how were they getting Keegan? It makes no sense.

And I also think on Siakam resigning it's what Raptors fans have said all along. He will test FA wherever he goes, but that 5th year is important, but it needs to be max.
When the Kings' FO was balking at giving him the max, it was all over as it's evident he's going for the max, and nothing less.

[BoogieTime]

I would highly doubt Monte sends Barnes to Houston for space. It would be Oladipo/Landale in the deal. If they like the Brooklyn 1sts then no worries. But I would think Kings players would be upset throwing away a season like that.

He's not worth more than expirings IMO, I was concerned we couldn't be able to attain that previously. Guy is being paid for his production/aging. Guy is being paid ~19 for soundly negative advanced stats and 10/3/1/sub standard d. IMO he's going in a deal like that or in a larger deal if Monte somehow wants to play Russian roulette in FA with an under market early bird with Fox's motor whisperer and the teams emotional leader in Monk (not that there is a lot of competition for the role, but..), which I dont think he will. I will eat my words if Harrison brings back value anywhere, here or in a 3 teamer

[OxAndFox]

I would highly doubt Monte sends Barnes to Houston for space. It would be Oladipo/Landale in the deal. If they like the Brooklyn 1sts then no worries. But I would think Kings players would be upset throwing away a season like that.

He's not worth more than expirings IMO, I was concerned we couldn't be able to attain that previously. Guy is being paid for his production/aging. Guy is being paid ~19 for soundly negative advanced stats and 10/3/1/sub standard d. IMO he's going in a deal like that or in a larger deal if Monte somehow wants to play Russian roulette in FA with an under market early bird with Fox's motor whisperer and the teams emotional leader in Monk (not that there is a lot of competition for the role, but..), which I dont think he will. I will eat my words if Harrison brings back value anywhere, here or in a 3 teamer

Oh I don't disagree with that. But think about that return. Purely expiring contracts for someone that popular in the locker room/FO/Entire franchise and while everyone is down on him, can be a good player (don't forget he is being played out of position), and then the FO mailing it in for this season. The players and coaching staff would be...upset to say the least.
If you were Monk you wouldn't want to stay around a team that would do that, even if it is after all for him.
Also, Barnes doesn't get the Kings under the cap, so it has to be Barnes/Huerter/Davion. That's a lot. And when Monk gets more than Monte can afford, people will be calling for his head to let go of two rotation players for no reason when he lost Monk anyway.

[BoogieTime]

I would highly doubt Monte sends Barnes to Houston for space. It would be Oladipo/Landale in the deal. If they like the Brooklyn 1sts then no worries. But I would think Kings players would be upset throwing away a season like that.

He's not worth more than expirings IMO, I was concerned we couldn't be able to attain that previously. Guy is being paid for his production/aging. Guy is being paid ~19 for soundly negative advanced stats and 10/3/1/sub standard d. IMO he's going in a deal like that or in a larger deal if Monte somehow wants to play Russian roulette in FA with an under market early bird with Fox's motor whisperer and the teams emotional leader in Monk (not that there is a lot of competition for the role, but..), which I dont think he will. I will eat my words if Harrison brings back value anywhere, here or in a 3 teamer

Oh I don't disagree with that. But think about that return. Purely expiring contracts for someone that popular in the locker room/FO/Entire franchise and while everyone is down on him, can be a good player (don't forget he is being played out of position), and then the FO mailing it in for this season. The players and coaching staff would be...upset to say the least.
If you were Monk you wouldn't want to stay around a team that would do that, even if it is after all for him.
Also, Barnes doesn't get the Kings under the cap, so it has to be Barnes/Huerter/Davion. That's a lot. And when Monk gets more than Monte can afford, people will be calling for his head to let go of two rotation players for no reason when he lost Monk anyway.

Why is Barnes/Huerter/Davion a lot? How much are they contributing to the season now (though Huerter has been looking better recently, so we’ll see if that continues)? It’s mailing in the season to start Lyles and play Edwards/Vezenkov more (who I’m not high on, true) in comparison to Harrison on most nights? The team can use the cap space on maybe more fitting players if Monk walks.

[blind prophet]

Any predictions before the deadline?

[codydaze]

Any predictions before the deadline?

I think there is a really good chance that one of Zach Lavine, Jerami Grant or Kyle Kuzma will be in a Kings uniform by the deadline. My gut tells me it will be Jerami Grant.

Kuzma has the best contract of the three but I think that will drive his cost too high for what we can/should give.

Zach is easily the worst contract and while he theoretically fits our offense better as he can be a secondary playmaker and would probably thrive in DHO action with Sabo, his defensive limitations combined with the contract make me feel he won't be a target for Monte.

Grant's contract is bloated for sure but he provides the length we desperately need, can get a bucket and shoots 40% from deep. He's not a great rebounder but he'll be playing next to the league leader in rebounds. He's an average-ish defender too but he's certainly better on that end than HB is.