2023-2024 Trade Thread

[OxAndFox]

He's not worth more than expirings IMO, I was concerned we couldn't be able to attain that previously. Guy is being paid for his production/aging. Guy is being paid ~19 for soundly negative advanced stats and 10/3/1/sub standard d. IMO he's going in a deal like that or in a larger deal if Monte somehow wants to play Russian roulette in FA with an under market early bird with Fox's motor whisperer and the teams emotional leader in Monk (not that there is a lot of competition for the role, but..), which I dont think he will. I will eat my words if Harrison brings back value anywhere, here or in a 3 teamer

Oh I don't disagree with that. But think about that return. Purely expiring contracts for someone that popular in the locker room/FO/Entire franchise and while everyone is down on him, can be a good player (don't forget he is being played out of position), and then the FO mailing it in for this season. The players and coaching staff would be...upset to say the least.
If you were Monk you wouldn't want to stay around a team that would do that, even if it is after all for him.
Also, Barnes doesn't get the Kings under the cap, so it has to be Barnes/Huerter/Davion. That's a lot. And when Monk gets more than Monte can afford, people will be calling for his head to let go of two rotation players for no reason when he lost Monk anyway.

Why is Barnes/Huerter/Davion a lot? How much are they contributing to the season now (though Huerter has been looking better recently, so we’ll see if that continues)? It’s mailing in the season to start Lyles and play Edwards/Vezenkov more (who I’m not high on, true) in comparison to Harrison on most nights? The team can use the cap space on maybe more fitting players if Monk walks.

It's just switching out players to complain about. I don't think some would be happy with anything TBH. Monte would understand he needs more of a specialist at the 4 (Gordon clone). Barnes is a specialist 3pt shooter at this stage and nothing more. Kevin has shown he has more to his game. Davion simply needs a change.
Kevin "could" be the SG for the future here. Barnes is not the 4 this team needs. That's where the upgrade needs to happen.

Monte should have a good idea of what Monk is looking for in the off season. I don't think his value goes up too much more (its already very high) at all unless he has a brilliant play off run and that basically puts him out of reach anyway. And the Kings need to get there (POs) first.
But the point remains. Monte would have a good idea after discussions with his agent on what Malik is thinking.
If the Kings are mailing it in, they need to be sellers at this deadline, and that means trade Monk too.

[BoogieTime]

Oh I don't disagree with that. But think about that return. Purely expiring contracts for someone that popular in the locker room/FO/Entire franchise and while everyone is down on him, can be a good player (don't forget he is being played out of position), and then the FO mailing it in for this season. The players and coaching staff would be...upset to say the least.
If you were Monk you wouldn't want to stay around a team that would do that, even if it is after all for him.
Also, Barnes doesn't get the Kings under the cap, so it has to be Barnes/Huerter/Davion. That's a lot. And when Monk gets more than Monte can afford, people will be calling for his head to let go of two rotation players for no reason when he lost Monk anyway.

Why is Barnes/Huerter/Davion a lot? How much are they contributing to the season now (though Huerter has been looking better recently, so we’ll see if that continues)? It’s mailing in the season to start Lyles and play Edwards/Vezenkov more (who I’m not high on, true) in comparison to Harrison on most nights? The team can use the cap space on maybe more fitting players if Monk walks.

It's just switching out players to complain about. I don't think some would be happy with anything TBH. Monte would understand he needs more of a specialist at the 4 (Gordon clone). Barnes is a specialist 3pt shooter at this stage and nothing more. Kevin has shown he has more to his game. Davion simply needs a change.
Kevin "could" be the SG for the future here. Barnes is not the 4 this team needs. That's where the upgrade needs to happen.

Monte should have a good idea of what Monk is looking for in the off season. I don't think his value goes up too much more (its already very high) at all unless he has a brilliant play off run and that basically puts him out of reach anyway. And the Kings need to get there (POs) first.
But the point remains. Monte would have a good idea after discussions with his agent on what Malik is thinking.
If the Kings are mailing it in, they need to be sellers at this deadline, and that means trade Monk too.

The only thing Monk’s agent would say is pay my player as much as possible

Moving Barnes/Huerter/Davion isn’t mailing in anything, they’ve hardly contributed so far

[OxAndFox]

Any predictions before the deadline?

Kings Wise
Davion/Edwards to Wizards for Wright/2nd

Barnes/1st for WCJ/Oladipo in 3 team
Hou: Oladipo/Landale/Bullock for Barnes
Orl: WCJ for Landale/1st
Sac: Barnes/1st for WCJ/Oladipo

Huerter/2nd/2nd/2nd for Rui/Lewis

NBA Wise - A couple for now.
Don't think Grant gets traded.

Cam Johnson for Buddy/Smith/1st

DDR/Craig for Morris/Korkmaz/Melton/1st

There will be 1 star that no one expects to get dealt.

[OxAndFox]

Why is Barnes/Huerter/Davion a lot? How much are they contributing to the season now (though Huerter has been looking better recently, so we’ll see if that continues)? It’s mailing in the season to start Lyles and play Edwards/Vezenkov more (who I’m not high on, true) in comparison to Harrison on most nights? The team can use the cap space on maybe more fitting players if Monk walks.

It's just switching out players to complain about. I don't think some would be happy with anything TBH. Monte would understand he needs more of a specialist at the 4 (Gordon clone). Barnes is a specialist 3pt shooter at this stage and nothing more. Kevin has shown he has more to his game. Davion simply needs a change.
Kevin "could" be the SG for the future here. Barnes is not the 4 this team needs. That's where the upgrade needs to happen.

Monte should have a good idea of what Monk is looking for in the off season. I don't think his value goes up too much more (its already very high) at all unless he has a brilliant play off run and that basically puts him out of reach anyway. And the Kings need to get there (POs) first.
But the point remains. Monte would have a good idea after discussions with his agent on what Malik is thinking.
If the Kings are mailing it in, they need to be sellers at this deadline, and that means trade Monk too.

The only thing Monk’s agent would say is pay my player as much as possible

Moving Barnes/Huerter/Davion isn’t mailing in anything, they’ve hardly contributed so far

So now you think Monk's agent is asking for a max contract now. WTF. Because that is as much as possible.

Is he worth more than DDV?
Is he worth more than DLO?
Is he worth as much as FVV?
Is he worth more than Reaves?

These are all guards having a similar impact as Monk. Some slightly higher in categories and some slightly lower.
So perhaps Monk is fine and happy with a $17m contract if it gives him long term security, in a role he knows and around a franchise that has his best friend locked into as well?

[BoogieTime]

Any predictions before the deadline?

I think there is a really good chance that one of Zach Lavine, Jerami Grant or Kyle Kuzma will be in a Kings uniform by the deadline. My gut tells me it will be Jerami Grant.

Kuzma has the best contract of the three but I think that will drive his cost too high for what we can/should give.

Zach is easily the worst contract and while he theoretically fits our offense better as he can be a secondary playmaker and would probably thrive in DHO action with Sabo, his defensive limitations combined with the contract make me feel he won't be a target for Monte.

Grant's contract is bloated for sure but he provides the length we desperately need, can get a bucket and shoots 40% from deep. He's not a great rebounder but he'll be playing next to the league leader in rebounds. He's an average-ish defender too but he's certainly better on that end than HB is.

Kuzma picked the Wizards over the Kings in free agency so it’s hard for me to see him moved here at any point of his contract for assets, as the fan base would blame him for the lost assets. It would need to be explained how the summer took place

[BoogieTime]

It's just switching out players to complain about. I don't think some would be happy with anything TBH. Monte would understand he needs more of a specialist at the 4 (Gordon clone). Barnes is a specialist 3pt shooter at this stage and nothing more. Kevin has shown he has more to his game. Davion simply needs a change.
Kevin "could" be the SG for the future here. Barnes is not the 4 this team needs. That's where the upgrade needs to happen.

Monte should have a good idea of what Monk is looking for in the off season. I don't think his value goes up too much more (its already very high) at all unless he has a brilliant play off run and that basically puts him out of reach anyway. And the Kings need to get there (POs) first.
But the point remains. Monte would have a good idea after discussions with his agent on what Malik is thinking.
If the Kings are mailing it in, they need to be sellers at this deadline, and that means trade Monk too.

The only thing Monk’s agent would say is pay my player as much as possible

Moving Barnes/Huerter/Davion isn’t mailing in anything, they’ve hardly contributed so far

So now you think Monk's agent is asking for a max contract now. WTF. Because that is as much as possible.

Is he worth more than DDV?
Is he worth more than DLO?
Is he worth as much as FVV?
Is he worth more than Reaves?

These are all guards having a similar impact as Monk. Some slightly higher in categories and some slightly lower.
So perhaps Monk is fine and happy with a $17m contract if it gives him long term security, in a role he knows and around a franchise that has his best friend locked into as well?

He’s soundly better than all but FVV (he’s putting up like ~19/7 on great shooting/good efficiency in starters minutes and projecting better by the year

His agent’s angle is to most likely get him paid as he hasn’t amassed much career earnings. Why would he tell the Kings, “don’t go out of your way to get my client more money, we’re cool with early bird (without knowing the market for him)”

[OxAndFox]

The only thing Monk’s agent would say is pay my player as much as possible

Moving Barnes/Huerter/Davion isn’t mailing in anything, they’ve hardly contributed so far

So now you think Monk's agent is asking for a max contract now. WTF. Because that is as much as possible.

Is he worth more than DDV?
Is he worth more than DLO?
Is he worth as much as FVV?
Is he worth more than Reaves?

These are all guards having a similar impact as Monk. Some slightly higher in categories and some slightly lower.
So perhaps Monk is fine and happy with a $17m contract if it gives him long term security, in a role he knows and around a franchise that has his best friend locked into as well?

He’s soundly better than all but FVV (he’s putting up like ~19/7 on great shooting/good efficiency in starters minutes and projecting better by the year

His agent’s angle is to most likely get him paid as he hasn’t amassed much career earnings. Why would he tell the Kings, “don’t go out of your way to get my client more money, we’re cool with early bird (without knowing the market for him)”

The advanced stats don't paint him "soundly better" than any of them. Counting stats like you're using doesn't either.
Per 36 (I"m assuming that's what you were doing with 19/7?)
Monk
21.1/3.6/7.6 - 2.9TOs
Reaves
18.1/5.0/6.2 - 2.6TOs
DLO
19.3/3.4/7.4 - 2.4TOs
DDV
18.1/5.1/3.6 - 1.8TOs
FVV
16.7/3.6/8.3 - 1.5TOs


On the other point. Why do you need to go on the most extreme narrative to try and make a point?
"don’t go out of your way to get my client more money, we’re cool with early bird (without knowing the market for him)” That's just ridiculous and you know that.

Of course he isn't saying that. But it's conceivable that Monk has said to him, I want to stay, make it happen. And his agent could still push for more $$$ from the Kings. Both things can be true. Not suggesting that's what is happening, but it also doesn't mean your extreme POV are either.

[OxAndFox]

Further more, I think it's safer to say that right at this point it's more likely the FO will trade Monk than trade Barnes/Huerter for pure expiring contracts.
This team is lacking in overall talent from the bottom end, why on earth would Monte make it worse and trade for players that aren't in the future, which effectively destroys any chance at depth? Without a 1st round pick no less.

[BoogieTime]

So now you think Monk's agent is asking for a max contract now. WTF. Because that is as much as possible.

Is he worth more than DDV?
Is he worth more than DLO?
Is he worth as much as FVV?
Is he worth more than Reaves?

These are all guards having a similar impact as Monk. Some slightly higher in categories and some slightly lower.
So perhaps Monk is fine and happy with a $17m contract if it gives him long term security, in a role he knows and around a franchise that has his best friend locked into as well?

He’s soundly better than all but FVV (he’s putting up like ~19/7 on great shooting/good efficiency in starters minutes and projecting better by the year

His agent’s angle is to most likely get him paid as he hasn’t amassed much career earnings. Why would he tell the Kings, “don’t go out of your way to get my client more money, we’re cool with early bird (without knowing the market for him)”

The advanced stats don't paint him "soundly better" than any of them. Counting stats like you're using doesn't either.
Per 36 (I"m assuming that's what you were doing with 19/7?)
Monk
21.1/3.6/7.6 - 2.9TOs
Reaves
18.1/5.0/6.2 - 2.6TOs
DLO
19.3/3.4/7.4 - 2.4TOs
DDV
18.1/5.1/3.6 - 1.8TOs
FVV
16.7/3.6/8.3 - 1.5TOs


On the other point. Why do you need to go on the most extreme narrative to try and make a point?
"don’t go out of your way to get my client more money, we’re cool with early bird (without knowing the market for him)” That's just ridiculous and you know that.

Of course he isn't saying that. But it's conceivable that Monk has said to him, I want to stay, make it happen. And his agent could still push for more $$$ from the Kings. Both things can be true. Not suggesting that's what is happening, but it also doesn't mean your extreme POV are either.

Well, he’s a better player than all but VanVleet, and what is your point with the comparison? Salary? FVV is making way more, D-Lo is making way more than early bird prorated in contract to 2024, DDV had little value last summer. Reaves, who most have as an inferior player to Monk, is the interesting case here. This shows the powe of restricted free agency/market. The spurs reportedly wanted to give him 21 mil a year if they were confident in his services. What are last year’s similarities - Brooks/Brown etc who made substantially more than early bird? I’d have to look it up, as the cap/contracts rise every year.

You’d be alone in your last assessment I’m pretty sure. I’m pretty sure the argument is whether the team would be better off not playing Barnes/Huerter/Mitchell and clearing them out addition by subtraction. I’m sure hardly any Kings fans would choose them over Monk, and Monk doesn’t have good value with lack of bird rights

[OxAndFox]

Monk isn't having a soundly better season than them statistically, no. Put forward the total stat that you would like, that covers both offense and defense over 36 minutes or whatever metric you want to show Monk is having a soundly better season than all of them other than FVV.

[Lost in LA]

He should not get starter money as he does not have the all round game for that. We all tend to remember the exciting plays rather than look at consistency. He was 1-6 from the charoity stripe ast night.

[OxAndFox]

Team doesn’t need much IMO. They are 4-1 against the top three seeds. Clearing out deadwood and inserting a Grant and maybe a Kuz could vault the team IMO. I’d just prefer to wait a year til Monk is secured (because I think he’s ascending and emotionally invaluable), but maybe that won’t be needed if his play curtails

I'm not so sure about them vaulting the team. Not saying you're wrong with that, but I have doubts.
I do agree this team doesn't need much. At this point Barnes is the only one I'm shopping with Duarte, Davion, Colby, Kessler, Len, McGee all available to be packaged with him. So, what are the options?
Are we suggesting more offense? I don't think that's where the issues are.

My thing is Keegan's development needs to be taken into account. He is showing rapid improvements across all areas. He needs to be taking more shots, not less.
IMO he needs to get up to 16 attempts per game by the end of the season. He also needs to get to the line more and I think that will happen as he expands his game.

This team needs someone that won't take away from the offensive structure that already exists.
Covington, Larry Nance Jr, Rui. These types of players. Not saying them in particular, but they are role players that are decent defensively and contribute.

This is why if Monte hasn't traded Barnes by the deadline I'm still on board with elevating Lyles into the starting line-up. Again, he's not great defensively, but he's physical.
Don't just give him 10 games and if it's not working bench him, give him a decent run at it.

Barnes to the bench where he will have more offensive responsibility and freedom. Let him post up some, get him driving to the basket etc. He will still shoot 38-40% from 3.
Barnes is at 29mpg. Think that should drop to 22-24. Spread the remaining minutes with Lyles & Sasha. Those 3 should be getting similar minutes.
Barnes 24, Lyles 22, Sasha 18 with Lyles starting.

[LightTheBeam]

The absolute dream scenario is Mikal (I'm sure 10 other teams thinking the same). This team lacks a stopper, someone who when the game is going south we throw that guy on the opponent who is cooking us and we know things will change. Mikal is also unique in that he doesn't need a ton of shots, 12-15 a game and he's gonna give you 17-20. He fits in with team versatility, we could run Fox - Mikal - Keegan - Sabonis and then throw in any of Monk, Huerter, Sasha, Lyles.

I'd max out our picks going for him

[Lost in LA]

Agree, but do we have anything to entice the Nets?

[LightTheBeam]

Agree, but do we have anything to entice the Nets?

Well it's a matter of what they want? I imagine we can flip Barnes to Houston for expirings + minor asset (late 1st, more likely some 2nds).

At that pt the return for Brooklyn is some combo of 25 swap, 26 1st, 27 swap, 28 1st, 29 swap, 30 1st + expirings / rockets picks

[codydaze]

I think if Mikal were to become available, multiple teams would be able to outbid us.

Some reports that the Pels are open to moving Herb which is super intriguing but would probably the se situation as Mikal.

[codydaze]

We're in a super weird situation where we don't really have any ugly contracts on the books (you can debate HB but he's not an albatross and is definitely moveable), but we don't have a lot of valuable trade assets due to our pick situation and lack of expiring deals.

Makes it so that teams that are looking to get off of contracts or maximize cap space for this summer don't really make sense as trade partners with us because most pieces we're willing to move are signed long term.

[OxAndFox]

This is one of the reasons why I wouldn't do anything rash (trading picks) this deadline unless it's a homerun.
The first rounder needs to be conveyed this season for this team to legitimately have a chance to improve considerably with one move. We are going up against OKC, NOP, and Utah who have a load of assets.

[OxAndFox]

Now, Herb Jones would be a perfect fit for this team. If you're not trading a key piece you put picks in.
The question is would the Pels do:

Monk for Herb
or
Davion/Duarte/Picks for Herb

[LightTheBeam]

If the Lakers somehow get Dejounte Murray for DLO and a 2029 1st I'm going to be beyond disappointed. How is it that the lakers somehow get these good players for pennies on the dollar, then I'm told we need to give 2 1sts + some for guys like Kuzma and Jerami Grant?

Kings need ATL on line 1. Barnes to Houston, expirings + 1st to ATL, Dejounte to Sac.