Re: Suns (47-33) @ Kings (45-35)
Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2024 4:57 am
Fox cost us the game with his season long bad clutch play
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BoogieTime wrote:Fox cost us the game with his season long bad clutch play
BoogieTime wrote:Fox cost us the game with his season long bad clutch play
codydaze wrote:BoogieTime wrote:Fox cost us the game with his season long bad clutch play
Stop.
BoogieTime wrote:codydaze wrote:BoogieTime wrote:Fox cost us the game with his season long bad clutch play
Stop.
stop what?
codydaze wrote:BoogieTime wrote:codydaze wrote:
Stop.
stop what?
Fox did not cost us this game. Domas turns it over with a minute left for Phoenix to cut it to two, then fouls KD for them to tie it and then fouls Nurk for them to take the lead. If any one person is to blame it would be Sabonis.
BoogieTime wrote:codydaze wrote:BoogieTime wrote:
stop what?
Fox did not cost us this game. Domas turns it over with a minute left for Phoenix to cut it to two, then fouls KD for them to tie it and then fouls Nurk for them to take the lead. If any one person is to blame it would be Sabonis.
One person is injured, and fighting to stay in the game.... Domas is physically out of sorts..
What is Fox's excuse for not being clutch all year? And my reticence with him having the ball the last two possessions?
They both did. But Domas did his job having the team in the position it was in and was fighting physically.. I haven't liked Fox's lack of 4th quarter this year at all
codydaze wrote:BoogieTime wrote:codydaze wrote:
Fox did not cost us this game. Domas turns it over with a minute left for Phoenix to cut it to two, then fouls KD for them to tie it and then fouls Nurk for them to take the lead. If any one person is to blame it would be Sabonis.
One person is injured, and fighting to stay in the game.... Domas is physically out of sorts..
What is Fox's excuse for not being clutch all year? And my reticence with him having the ball the last two possessions?
They both did. But Domas did his job having the team in the position it was in and was fighting physically.. I haven't liked Fox's lack of 4th quarter this year at all
You simply don't like Fox and that's okay but excusing Domas for his stretch to end this game because of an injury but refusing to ever acknowledge Fox was playing through a banged up shoulder earlier in the year is just hypocritical.
codydaze wrote:BoogieTime wrote:codydaze wrote:
Fox did not cost us this game. Domas turns it over with a minute left for Phoenix to cut it to two, then fouls KD for them to tie it and then fouls Nurk for them to take the lead. If any one person is to blame it would be Sabonis.
One person is injured, and fighting to stay in the game.... Domas is physically out of sorts..
What is Fox's excuse for not being clutch all year? And my reticence with him having the ball the last two possessions?
They both did. But Domas did his job having the team in the position it was in and was fighting physically.. I haven't liked Fox's lack of 4th quarter this year at all
You simply don't like Fox and that's okay but excusing Domas for his stretch to end this game because of an injury but refusing to ever acknowledge Fox was playing through a banged up shoulder earlier in the year is just hypocritical.
BoogieTime wrote:codydaze wrote:BoogieTime wrote:
One person is injured, and fighting to stay in the game.... Domas is physically out of sorts..
What is Fox's excuse for not being clutch all year? And my reticence with him having the ball the last two possessions?
They both did. But Domas did his job having the team in the position it was in and was fighting physically.. I haven't liked Fox's lack of 4th quarter this year at all
You simply don't like Fox and that's okay but excusing Domas for his stretch to end this game because of an injury but refusing to ever acknowledge Fox was playing through a banged up shoulder earlier in the year is just hypocritical.
And why are you excusing Fox going 0-3 in possessions in the last minute and soundly not repeating his clutch play from last year?
You simply seem to like Fox. What is your opinion of his 2024 inefficiency (9-23 with 2 its tonight) and what you have seen from him in the clutch?
codydaze wrote:BoogieTime wrote:codydaze wrote:
You simply don't like Fox and that's okay but excusing Domas for his stretch to end this game because of an injury but refusing to ever acknowledge Fox was playing through a banged up shoulder earlier in the year is just hypocritical.
And why are you excusing Fox going 0-3 in possessions in the last minute and soundly not repeating his clutch play from last year?
You simply seem to like Fox. What is your opinion of his 2024 inefficiency (9-23 with 2 its tonight) and what you have seen from him in the clutch?
I'm not excusing anything, he was unbelievable in the clutch last year and that is a very difficult thing to duplicate. I also don't blame him, or any one particular player, for a loss like you consistently do for Fox.
His efficiency (56.6 TS%) is right around where guys like Tyrese Maxey (57.1 TS%), Fred VanVleet (56.8 TS%) and Darius Garland (55.8 TS%) are while being second in the league in steals. I think he's fallen in love with the three a little too much and needs to get more looks at the rim but he's still having a really, really good season, ranked #17 in EPM and #28 in LEBRON which heavily favors bigs (Drummond is #30 and Love is #17). I think without Fox, we are down in the standings with the likes of Portland, Detroit and Washington.
BoogieTime wrote:codydaze wrote:BoogieTime wrote:
And why are you excusing Fox going 0-3 in possessions in the last minute and soundly not repeating his clutch play from last year?
You simply seem to like Fox. What is your opinion of his 2024 inefficiency (9-23 with 2 its tonight) and what you have seen from him in the clutch?
I'm not excusing anything, he was unbelievable in the clutch last year and that is a very difficult thing to duplicate. I also don't blame him, or any one particular player, for a loss like you consistently do for Fox.
His efficiency (56.6 TS%) is right around where guys like Tyrese Maxey (57.1 TS%), Fred VanVleet (56.8 TS%) and Darius Garland (55.8 TS%) are while being second in the league in steals. I think he's fallen in love with the three a little too much and needs to get more looks at the rim but he's still having a really, really good season, ranked #17 in EPM and #28 in LEBRON which heavily favors bigs (Drummond is #30 and Love is #17). I think without Fox, we are down in the standings with the likes of Portland, Detroit and Washington.
I thought I saw others doing that before I chimed in.
I'm not sure pointing to other inefficient players make the case. But even if Fox is only somewhat inefficient for the year, does that speak to 2024 given his vert hot Nov/Dec start? I highly disagree that your thinking on Fox's impact. think thats around Domas impact (so does NBA.com mvp ladder), and what has happened since the day he arrived (not Fox who has previously been here on bad teams). NBA.com sees the roster, Domas' help and Domas impact like I do. I'm more into wondering how positive Fox on balance he's been for the year. But I guess thats fandom. Very different views.
codydaze wrote:BoogieTime wrote:codydaze wrote:
I'm not excusing anything, he was unbelievable in the clutch last year and that is a very difficult thing to duplicate. I also don't blame him, or any one particular player, for a loss like you consistently do for Fox.
His efficiency (56.6 TS%) is right around where guys like Tyrese Maxey (57.1 TS%), Fred VanVleet (56.8 TS%) and Darius Garland (55.8 TS%) are while being second in the league in steals. I think he's fallen in love with the three a little too much and needs to get more looks at the rim but he's still having a really, really good season, ranked #17 in EPM and #28 in LEBRON which heavily favors bigs (Drummond is #30 and Love is #17). I think without Fox, we are down in the standings with the likes of Portland, Detroit and Washington.
I thought I saw others doing that before I chimed in.
I'm not sure pointing to other inefficient players make the case. But even if Fox is only somewhat inefficient for the year, does that speak to 2024 given his vert hot Nov/Dec start? I highly disagree that your thinking on Fox's impact. think thats around Domas impact (so does NBA.com mvp ladder), and what has happened since the day he arrived (not Fox who has previously been here on bad teams). NBA.com sees the roster, Domas' help and Domas impact like I do. I'm more into wondering how positive Fox on balance he's been for the year. But I guess thats fandom. Very different views.
To be honest, NBA.com's MVP ladder holds zero significance to me. I'm more concerned with numbers and, yes, his efficiency has dipped a bit mostly due to him not finishing at the rim as well (he finished at the rim at 80% past year which is absurd for a PG) and his free throw percentage regressing. I think it would be difficult to argue that someone top 10 in scoring and top 2 in steals doesn't have a positive impact. I get you wanting more from him, but what does more look like? Him being a top 10 player in the league? I don't think anyone here would be opposed to that but it's not exactly an easy thing to do.
And by the way, Domas and Fox have the same number of playoff appearances as starters. Indiana missed the playoffs the three years he moved into the starting lineup. It's almost like they complement each other well?