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ansoncarter wrote:barely seen Tyreke Evans play but how many 6'5 players without ridiculous speed or shooting end up stars, let alone superstars?
Do you put your Shooting guard on Martin and watch ‘Reke run over the point guard like a wrecking ball? Or do you put a bigger shooting guard on him and watch K-Mart abuse your point guard in ways that are too horrible to imagine?
mprose wrote:And that leaves me with the conclusion that DMC is the Sarah Palin of the NBA.
deNIEd wrote:Smills91 wrote:ansoncarter wrote:barely seen Tyreke Evans play but how many 6'5 players without ridiculous speed or shooting end up stars, let alone superstars?
Dwayne Wade comes to mind. But I don't accept your premise. Who says Evans doesn't have speed at 6'5? Who says he doesn't develop into a good shooter?
Dwyane Wade is a freak of an athlete. He is definitely in the top 1% in terms of athleticism and a large part of his game was originally built on that. Evan's has no where near the athleticism that Wade does.
I still don't buy the fact that Evans will ever come close to a "superstar" mainly cause in my mind, a superstar is a top 5-6 player. (Kobe, Wade, Lebron, Dwight, CP3, Duncan) Evans could eventually become an allstar, but that is still no where near a "superstar."
As for the rest of the team, none of them will ever come close to a superstar stature either. Look at the greatest players ever (exception Shaq), all of them have a necessity to win and compete. All of them have a killswitch in their personality and will go for the throat every time they sense weakness in an opponent. Based off of last year's play, none of our players have that mentality. Martin's game limits him from being a franchise player. Thompson simply isn't skilled enough IMO. Hawes is too soft and lazy. Donte doesn't seem to have the drive either. They can all become great players but their personality limits their ceiling.
Smills91 wrote:I don't doubt that, but I don't think he has 'ridiculous speed' and I don't think he's in the top 10% of shooters in the NBA either. I do agree his athleticism is amazing.
I think of Tyreke physically, is in a similar mold to Dwayne Wade. He's not a ridiculously fast like Tony Parker, Brandon Jennings or others of that ilk, but for his size and strength he's VERY fast. I think Tyreke has similar athletic attributes as D-Wade. And in all honesty, I think he may have a similar game to Wade minus the pull up mid-range jumper(at this point at least).
Smills91 wrote:I don't doubt that, but I don't think he has 'ridiculous speed'
sackings916 wrote:I think the Dwade comparisons is setting the bar a little too high. I think Evans will be in the mold of John Salmons but a more built/physical version. So maybe a mix between Salmons and Baron Davis.
mitchweber wrote:Smills91 wrote:I don't doubt that, but I don't think he has 'ridiculous speed' and I don't think he's in the top 10% of shooters in the NBA either. I do agree his athleticism is amazing.
I think of Tyreke physically, is in a similar mold to Dwayne Wade. He's not a ridiculously fast like Tony Parker, Brandon Jennings or others of that ilk, but for his size and strength he's VERY fast. I think Tyreke has similar athletic attributes as D-Wade. And in all honesty, I think he may have a similar game to Wade minus the pull up mid-range jumper(at this point at least).
Oh yes he most certainly does. That's the most impressive part of his athleticism. They don't call him "Flash" for nothing.
Smills91 wrote:
When I think of RIDICULOUS speed I think Tony Parker, Brandon Jennings, Speedy Claxton(pre-injury) etc. Dwayne Wade is fast, especially for his size, but I don't think he's so much faster than Tyreke that they don't compare.
mitchweber wrote:Smills91 wrote:
When I think of RIDICULOUS speed I think Tony Parker, Brandon Jennings, Speedy Claxton(pre-injury) etc. Dwayne Wade is fast, especially for his size, but I don't think he's so much faster than Tyreke that they don't compare.
Those guys are all PG. The bar for "ridiculous speed" is different at given positions. I'd say that when you consider his size, Wade is proportionally just as fast as those guys. Tyreke is considerably slower than Wade and is playing at a quicker position. The good news is that he'll still have a strong physical advantage that he can use.
Wolfay wrote:Whoa, first we compared Evans to one of the best players in the game today, and now we're comparing him to one of the best players EVER in the history of basketball?
Be careful with what you say, it's bordering on blasphemy.
Wolfay wrote:Whoa, first we compared Evans to one of the best players in the game today, and now we're comparing him to one of the best players EVER in the history of basketball?
Be careful with what you say, it's bordering on blasphemy.
Cruel_Ruin wrote:Wolfay wrote:Whoa, first we compared Evans to one of the best players in the game today, and now we're comparing him to one of the best players EVER in the history of basketball?
Be careful with what you say, it's bordering on blasphemy.
If we're just entertaining physical comparisons, Oscar is the closest in terms of size, speed, and strength. Obviously, Oscar's skills were light years ahead.
deNIEd wrote:This is why I feel everyone is gonna hate Evans (and Thompson) simply because expectations are way beyond reality.
Evans compared to Oscar? Come on now.
deNIEd wrote:Wolfay wrote:Whoa, first we compared Evans to one of the best players in the game today, and now we're comparing him to one of the best players EVER in the history of basketball?
Be careful with what you say, it's bordering on blasphemy.
This is why I feel everyone is gonna hate Evans (and Thompson) simply because expectations are way beyond reality.
Evans compared to Oscar? Come on now.
