Anthony Black - Arkansas

clyde21 · Post #181 » by **clyde21** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 2:20 am

istg feels like I watch a completely different player than people on this board sometimes.

CptCrunch · Post #182 » by **CptCrunch** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 3:22 am

You think they have actually watched more than 10 minutes of Anthony Black rather than reading takes from Coach Spin and soaking up knowledge from the likes of Kevin O'Conner

K_chile22 · Post #183 » by **K_chile22** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 4:24 am

EvanZ wrote:The way I look at AB is like an Iguodala with 50% of the tools.

Idk if I agree with this entirely but I do think he's more similar to a prime andre kind of player than a true full time PG

babyjax13 · Post #184 » by **babyjax13** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 7:03 am

K_chile22 wrote:
EvanZ wrote:The way I look at AB is like an Iguodala with 50% of the tools.
Idk if I agree with this entirely but I do think he's more similar to a prime andre kind of player than a true full time PG

I think it's the wrong Andre, I see more Andre Miller in his game than Andre Igoudala. Although I agree that we will see him do a lot of secondary creation a la Lonzo and Smart where the ball doesn't stick to him a ton but he gets a lot of assists (while still handling the ball a lot). Swing skill is obviously shooting, and I think his touch in other areas of his game is promising for him to be able to develop an average three-point shot. He's not going to be Ricky Rubio.

kobyz · Post #185 » by **kobyz** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 9:55 am

EvanZ wrote:The way I look at AB is like an Iguodala with 50% of the tools.

Which is Doug Christie, my comparison for him

K_chile22 · Post #186 » by **K_chile22** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 2:43 pm

babyjax13 wrote:
K_chile22 wrote:
EvanZ wrote:The way I look at AB is like an Iguodala with 50% of the tools.
Idk if I agree with this entirely but I do think he's more similar to a prime andre kind of player than a true full time PG

I think it's the wrong Andre, I see more Andre Miller in his game than Andre Igoudala. Although I agree that we will see him do a lot of secondary creation a la Lonzo and Smart where the ball doesn't stick to him a ton but he gets a lot of assists (while still handling the ball a lot). Swing skill is obviously shooting, and I think his touch in other areas of his game is promising for him to be able to develop an average three-point shot. He's not going to be Ricky Rubio.

Another big swing skill for me is just advantage creation in general. Pretty poor burst and while his handle is good, it's nothing crazy so without being a + shooter he seems more like someone who just takes advantage of tilted defenses than someone who can tilt a defense, and not being a good shooter while being off ball isn't ideal. I think he's very good, top 7-ish but I can't get behind putting him 3/4 over higher upside bets, personally

EvanZ · Post #187 » by **EvanZ** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 2:51 pm

kobyz wrote:
EvanZ wrote:The way I look at AB is like an Iguodala with 50% of the tools.

Which is Doug Christie, my comparison for him

Always love a good Doug Christie comp. He was so good. The only legit Pepperdine product I can remember. And yes I'm including Max Lewis. :roll:

EvanZ · Post #188 » by **EvanZ** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 2:53 pm

mattao313 wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
EvanZ wrote:
I'd take LaMelo's vision and decision making over AB all day every day. To me AB is like the 4th Ball brother, but he's not as good as LaMelo or Lonzo on offense.

not even close, Melo is mostly flash very little substance as a playmaker. AB has actual scalable BBIQ in ways Melo never had and will probably never have.
What? lamelo has great bbiq and feel for the game coupled with a elite handle something Black doesn't have at all.

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Clyde has "feelings". He had LaMelo 18th in that class so now he's obligated ot defend it forever. :lol:

EvanZ · Post #189 » by **EvanZ** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 2:55 pm

Anthony Black has great vision but his decision-making and handle needs work, hence why his A:T ratio was only 1.3. Anyone who watches him with regularity should have been as frustrated as I was by this.

clyde21 · Post #190 » by **clyde21** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 3:24 pm

EvanZ wrote:
mattao313 wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
not even close, Melo is mostly flash very little substance as a playmaker. AB has actual scalable BBIQ in ways Melo never had and will probably never have.
What? lamelo has great bbiq and feel for the game coupled with a elite handle something Black doesn't have at all.

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Clyde has "feelings". He had LaMelo 18th in that class so now he's obligated ot defend it forever.

that same class u had Poku 3rd and Hali 15th? :lol:

K_chile22 · Post #191 » by **K_chile22** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 3:29 pm

Here we go with the "nananana booboo stick your head in doodoo" phase of this NBA Draft Board thread

mattao313 · Post #192 » by **mattao313** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 3:54 pm

EvanZ wrote:
mattao313 wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
not even close, Melo is mostly flash very little substance as a playmaker. AB has actual scalable BBIQ in ways Melo never had and will probably never have.
What? lamelo has great bbiq and feel for the game coupled with a elite handle something Black doesn't have at all.

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Clyde has "feelings". He had LaMelo 18th in that class so now he's obligated ot defend it forever.

Lol its ok to be wrong sometimes it's not that big of a deal.

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EvanZ · Post #193 » by **EvanZ** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 4:53 pm

mattao313 wrote:
EvanZ wrote:
mattao313 wrote:What? lamelo has great bbiq and feel for the game coupled with a elite handle something Black doesn't have at all.

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Clyde has "feelings". He had LaMelo 18th in that class so now he's obligated ot defend it forever.
Lol its ok to be wrong sometimes it's not that big of a deal.

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It's literally the biggest deal and the cause of every single argument in this forum. But sure.

Hal14 · Post #194 » by **Hal14** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 5:11 pm

kobyz wrote:
EvanZ wrote:The way I look at AB is like an Iguodala with 50% of the tools.

Which is Doug Christie, my comparison for him

Christie was a much better shooter. And had more of a defined role as a 2-guard, who was a defensive specialist but was also a good connective passer, really unselfish, moved the ball to find the open man, but could also hit 3's if left open. Could finish on the break or off cuts to the basket..He had a role (kind of in the Dan Majerle / Mario Elie type of mold) and it was proven that type of archetype contributed to winning. Basically 3&D role player 2-guards who were unselfish and had good toughness.

whereas Black has a less defined role. Is he a PG? Is he a 2? Is he a combo-wing? Can he be THE guy running the offense for a playoff team? Or if he better suited to playing next to a guy like Harden/Lillard/Luka as a secondary ball handler?

Perhaps being 6'7" and lacking shooting, perhaps he bulks a bit more and turns into more of a 4, or a combo 3-4 type of guy who can't shoot but does everything else well from the forward spot (kind of like Draymond) ?

clyde21 · Post #195 » by **clyde21** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 5:12 pm

mattao313 wrote:
EvanZ wrote:
mattao313 wrote:What? lamelo has great bbiq and feel for the game coupled with a elite handle something Black doesn't have at all.

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Clyde has "feelings". He had LaMelo 18th in that class so now he's obligated ot defend it forever.
Lol its ok to be wrong sometimes it's not that big of a deal.

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nobody gets all of these right but idgaf about Melo either way, go read the Melo thread, my view of him has been spot on so far, a 20/10 guy in today's NBA just by virtue of on-ball usage but largely all flash with little to no substance, not a winning player and not a guy I want to be a leader of my team.

and Black's BBIQ is leaps and bounds better then Melo's on both sides of the court. wild that this is even disputable at this point.

BlazersBroncos · Post #196 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 6:06 pm

Early Toronot Christie is a really nice comp, assuming AB gets his shooting together.

mattao313 · Post #197 » by **mattao313** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 6:14 pm

clyde21 wrote:
mattao313 wrote:
EvanZ wrote:
Clyde has "feelings". He had LaMelo 18th in that class so now he's obligated ot defend it forever.
Lol its ok to be wrong sometimes it's not that big of a deal.

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nobody gets all of these right but idgaf about Melo either way, go read the Melo thread, my view of him has been spot on so far, a 20/10 guy in today's NBA just by virtue of on-ball usage but largely all flash with little to no substance, not a winning player and not a guy I want to be a leader of my team.

and Black's BBIQ is leaps and bounds better then Melo's on both sides of the court. wild that this is even disputable at this point.

Lmao I wasn't a fan of him coming in either but he's very good lead his team to a winning record and was a Allstar the season before. Black will be lucky to be that type of player. Black doesn't even look to be a lead ball handler anyway.

He's a big Derrick white/NBA Lonzo Ball.

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The Moose · Post #198 » by **The Moose** » Wed Jun 14, 2023 9:45 am

Watch on YouTube

HadAnEffectHere · Post #199 » by **HadAnEffectHere** » Wed Jun 14, 2023 1:16 pm

EvanZ wrote:Anthony Black has great vision but his decision-making and handle needs work, hence why his A:T ratio was only 1.3. Anyone who watches him with regularity should have been as frustrated as I was by this.

Sure, but he's 19 and his defensive decision making is so good that it will probably come around.

The big issue is the jumpshot. If he can learn how to shoot, he's so big, so good at getting to the paint, and so good at flopping that he could be an elite scorer.

Without a jumper, he probably ends up as a guy like Ricky Rubio (not exactly obviously) who can help you in the regular season but provides no value in the postseason.

The level of flopper Black is is really underrated because it's the most annoying skill, but Black is really really good at flopping for his age.

clyde21 · Post #200 » by **clyde21** » Wed Jun 14, 2023 6:21 pm

AB's A/TO ratio is actually impressive for an 18 yr old that was asked to run the entire offense on day one in the SEC

and it would look even better if anyone (and I mean anyone) on Arkansas can shoot a lick. Council shot 27% from 3 and he was the highest volume shooter on the team, second was Nick Smith and he shot 33% and only played 17 games, Brazile was actually shooting well at 38% but he only played 9 games, Walsh was at 29%, Mitchell bros werent shooting anything.

compare that to say...Lonzo Ball at UCLA, who had TJ Leaf who was shooting 47% from 3, Bryce Alford who was shooting 43%, Aaron Holiday who shot 41%, Isaac Hamilton who shot 41% from 3, put AB on that UCLA team and he's averaging 7-8 assists per like Zo did comfortably.

it's weird suggesting that the player with possibly the best BBIQ in the entire class needs 'better decision making'...if that's true for AB it's true even more for everyone else.