Ron Holland - G League Ignite - 2024 NBA Draft

[FarBeyondDriven]

Ya Ignite looked like it was going to be the thing that really hurt college ball and take away the top OADs. But I feel like NIL is going to end up killing Ignite. Ignite might end up being the place where top 50 guys go after they already committed to a college and switch to Ignite late for whatever reason (realizing lack of minutes, NIL not as good as they were promised and so on). If Karter Knox ends up at UK, Ignite is going to be going into next summer with 0 top 100 players for next year's class.

Once college introduced NIL and once the numbers started coming out and people realized how much football and basketball stars were making, I feel like that took a ton of wind out of the sails for Ignite.

Best domestic route is college. I think the best overall route is over seas professional league. Ignite just doesnt offer enough for it to be worth it anymore.

they already have Dink Pate who is considered a lottery talent and Dybantsa, Tre Johnson, Asa Newell and I'm sure many others have made Ignite visits or mentioned it as a possibility. Also, don't discount kids de-committing from college and choosing Ignite.

[MemphisX]

problem with Ignite is they are throwing all these 18 yr olds on the same team, against other GL teams full of NBA vets or older players, never establishing any type of offense or cadence on the court for any of them. id be much more interested in the process if they were plugged into more natural scenarios and real teams.

Would be better to do it NBL style. Mix them on various G league teams.

[Colbinii]

problem with Ignite is they are throwing all these 18 yr olds on the same team, against other GL teams full of NBA vets or older players, never establishing any type of offense or cadence on the court for any of them. id be much more interested in the process if they were plugged into more natural scenarios and real teams.

Like College Basketball

Real talk, I think you learn a lot more playing in a system on a team in College/NBL/Europe than you would currently in the G-League. The Ignite is more like AAU for young adults than it is actual team building/development.

announcers were talking about this awhile back. They said some of the allure of the Ignite team is that you learn to be a professional. How to conduct yourself, how to interview and just the lifestyle and expectations of being a professional with basketball as your first and only priority. Also, that they expose you to aspects of the game you'd likely never get to experience while in college playing in a strict system.

They used Holland as an example. He won't be more than a secondary playmaker at the next level at least for the first part of his career but early on at Ignite, due to injuries, he was actually getting experience initiating the offense. Sure, as an 18 y/o and playing with other 18/19 y/o he had some ugly possessions but he also flashed the ability to maybe someday be that kind of player. Also, he's been free to shoot threes off the dribble which isn't great for his success rate but at least he's getting reps doing it.

So, it's not ALL negative. In the NBL and in Europe these kids play much less and don't have the same amount of freedom so sadly, if you don't wish to go to college Ignite is still your best bet. It doesn't appear to be hurting draft stocks so far. We'll see how Holland, Buzelis and Smith fare. Maybe it will and that will prevent other guys from going there.

College athletes do interviews and learn how to do interviews.

[JMAC3]

Probably the most underrated prospect in the draft if you look at how low he is going in some mocks.

[JMAC3]

Probably the most underrated prospect in the draft if you look at how low he is going in some mocks.

He profiles very similarly to Jaylen Brown tbh

[HadAnEffectHere]

Probably the most underrated prospect in the draft if you look at how low he is going in some mocks.

He profiles very similarly to Jaylen Brown tbh

I would say the biggest concern people have with Holland as compared to Brown is that Holland doesn't seem to have any explosion as suggested by how bad he is at the rim.

I have him top 3 (maybe #1?), but he's a much worse prospect than Brown because he's so bad at jumping. He's worse than Scoot was at the rim and Scoot is arguably the worst finisher in the NBA.

So you're mostly picking Holland because he plays extremely hard and because he's extremely strong and nothing else. His touch is OK, but his jumpshot form is completely broken and he shot 24% from three. He dribbles, but his dribble is near shoulder height. He's reasonably efficient, but only because he got to the line so much due to being so much stronger than the guys in the G-League...

[JMAC3]

Probably the most underrated prospect in the draft if you look at how low he is going in some mocks.

He profiles very similarly to Jaylen Brown tbh

I would say the biggest concern people have with Holland as compared to Brown is that Holland doesn't seem to have any explosion as suggested by how bad he is at the rim.

I have him top 3 (maybe #1?), but he's a much worse prospect than Brown because he's so bad at jumping. He's worse than Scoot was at the rim and Scoot is arguably the worst finisher in the NBA.

So you're mostly picking Holland because he plays extremely hard and because he's extremely strong and nothing else. His touch is OK, but his jumpshot form is completely broken and he shot 24% from three. He dribbles, but his dribble is near shoulder height. He's reasonably efficient, but only because he got to the line so much due to being so much stronger than the guys in the G-League...

Yeah idk I think he is a very good athlete, not worried about his jumping.
3.3 apg for a 6-8 wing is pretty good as a playmaker at his age.
His jumpshot isn't great but he also shoots alright at the FT and his three point volume per 36 isn't bad at 3.7 per game. Brown was 3.9 per 36 as college freshman. .728 from free throw for Holland compared to .654 Brown.

The guy is super raw, plenty of room to get better and refine his game and he was still putting multiple 30 pt games in gleague on pure raw talent and athleticism.

[HadAnEffectHere]

Jaylen Brown with no explosion is like.... An OK third-option I guess?

Which might be the highest ceiling in this draft soooooo

[JMAC3]

Jaylen Brown with no explosion is like.... An OK third-option I guess?

Which might be the highest ceiling in this draft soooooo

I think you need to rewatch the tape. He is very explosive. He is at 60% finishing at the rim and 53% in the halfcourt.

[HadAnEffectHere]

Jaylen Brown with no explosion is like.... An OK third-option I guess?

Which might be the highest ceiling in this draft soooooo

I think you need to rewatch the tape. He is very explosive. He is at 60% finishing at the rim and 53% in the halfcourt.

Those numbers are obscenely bad for a SF/PF?

The G-League has no centers and Scoot (who is a 6'3" PG who has been arguably the worst finisher in the NBA this year) shot 58.5% at the rim in the half court last year.

https://www.reddit.com/r/NBA_Draft/comments/129p06h/atr_finishing_halfcourt_layup_dunks_etc_of_scoot/

[JMAC3]

Jaylen Brown with no explosion is like.... An OK third-option I guess?

Which might be the highest ceiling in this draft soooooo

I think you need to rewatch the tape. He is very explosive. He is at 60% finishing at the rim and 53% in the halfcourt.

Those numbers are obscenely bad for a SF/PF?

The G-League has no centers and Scoot (who is a 6'3" PG who has been arguably the worst finisher in the NBA this year) shot 58.5% at the rim in the half court last year.

https://www.reddit.com/r/NBA_Draft/comments/129p06h/atr_finishing_halfcourt_layup_dunks_etc_of_scoot/

Watch on YouTube

Adjectives used to describe him in the video.
"Relentless motor, 1st class athleticism, blazing open court speed, big air flush, bounce and highlight reel package, blazing first step burst, mid air majesty"

how you describe him.
"doesn't seem to have any explosion."
"he's so bad at jumping."

Do you see why it seems like you are talking about a different prospect?

[HadAnEffectHere]

I think you need to rewatch the tape. He is very explosive. He is at 60% finishing at the rim and 53% in the halfcourt.

Those numbers are obscenely bad for a SF/PF?

The G-League has no centers and Scoot (who is a 6'3" PG who has been arguably the worst finisher in the NBA this year) shot 58.5% at the rim in the half court last year.

https://www.reddit.com/r/NBA_Draft/comments/129p06h/atr_finishing_halfcourt_layup_dunks_etc_of_scoot/

Watch on YouTube

Adjectives used to describe him in the video.
"Relentless motor, 1st class athleticism, blazing open court speed, big air flush, bounce and highlight reel package, blazing first step burst, mid air majesty"

how you describe him.
"doesn't seem to have any explosion."
"he's so bad at jumping."

Do you see why it seems like you are talking about a different prospect?

I feel like "Ron Holland has to be athletic, this scouting report says he's athletic" is really weird in general, especially as Givony and other scouts say they do not think he is athletic.

From Givony

"He's struggling to create good shots for himself and others due to his thin frame and lack of explosiveness."

"Without elite physical tools, Holland's competitiveness was his biggest calling card "

Givony's scouting reports are largely him relating what his NBA sources are telling him as well so this is NBA front office people saying Holland can't jump, lol.

What we can say objectively is that Ron Holland had a horrible season scoring everywhere on the court except from the line. He was really good at drawing fouls and really bad at everything else.

[JMAC3]

Those numbers are obscenely bad for a SF/PF?

The G-League has no centers and Scoot (who is a 6'3" PG who has been arguably the worst finisher in the NBA this year) shot 58.5% at the rim in the half court last year.

https://www.reddit.com/r/NBA_Draft/comments/129p06h/atr_finishing_halfcourt_layup_dunks_etc_of_scoot/

Watch on YouTube

Adjectives used to describe him in the video.
"Relentless motor, 1st class athleticism, blazing open court speed, big air flush, bounce and highlight reel package, blazing first step burst, mid air majesty"

how you describe him.
"doesn't seem to have any explosion."
"he's so bad at jumping."

Do you see why it seems like you are talking about a different prospect?

I feel like "Ron Holland has to be athletic, this scouting report says he's athletic" is really weird in general, especially as Givony and other scouts say they do not think he is athletic.

From Givony

"He's struggling to create good shots for himself and others due to his thin frame and lack of explosiveness."

"Without elite physical tools, Holland's competitiveness was his biggest calling card "

Givony's scouting reports are largely him relating what his NBA sources are telling him as well so this is NBA front office people saying Holland can't jump, lol.

What we can say objectively is that Ron Holland had a horrible season scoring everywhere on the court except from the line. He was really good at drawing fouls and really bad at everything else.

There are plenty of explosive plays in the video, not just about what one person says vs the other.

This "Without elite physical tools, Holland's competitiveness was his biggest calling card " is referencing him as a 17 yr old High Schooler.

Literally the first two plays from this video show he is an explosive leaper.

Watch on YouTube

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[HadAnEffectHere]

Did you even bother to check the Ron Holland scouting report on ESPN.

"Dec. 5, 2023

This has been a difficult season for G League Ignite and their prized prospect, Holland. As of Dec. 4, Ignite have a 1-8 record as Holland has struggled to score efficiently (20% from 3, 57% from the line). He is turning the ball over frequently (4.1 per game) and having too many lapses defensively. He took a major step in the right direction this past week, stringing together his three best games of the season while helping Ignite get their first win. Without elite physical tools, Holland's competitiveness was his biggest calling card as a prospect and one of the main reasons he was so well-regarded coming out of high school. With a long season still ahead, Holland has time to adjust to the high level of competition he's facing in the G League and remind scouts what makes him tick. -- Jonthan Givony"

Was December 5th, 2023 when Ron Holland was in high school.

Why just randomly guess what is in a source and then trying to debunk it based on your guess instead of checking yourself.

[JMAC3]

Did you even bother to check the Ron Holland scouting report on ESPN.

"Dec. 5, 2023

This has been a difficult season for G League Ignite and their prized prospect, Holland. As of Dec. 4, Ignite have a 1-8 record as Holland has struggled to score efficiently (20% from 3, 57% from the line). He is turning the ball over frequently (4.1 per game) and having too many lapses defensively. He took a major step in the right direction this past week, stringing together his three best games of the season while helping Ignite get their first win. Without elite physical tools, Holland's competitiveness was his biggest calling card as a prospect and one of the main reasons he was so well-regarded coming out of high school. With a long season still ahead, Holland has time to adjust to the high level of competition he's facing in the G League and remind scouts what makes him tick. -- Jonthan Givony"

Was December 5th, 2023 when Ron Holland was in high school.

Why just randomly guess what is in a source and then trying to debunk it based on your guess instead of checking yourself.

Without elite physical tools, Holland's competitiveness was his biggest calling card as a prospect and one of the main reasons he was so well-regarded coming out of high school.

Clearly it is referencing him as a high schooler, which is exactly what I just said... Was is a past tense verb.

[HadAnEffectHere]

Did you even bother to check the Ron Holland scouting report on ESPN.

"Dec. 5, 2023

This has been a difficult season for G League Ignite and their prized prospect, Holland. As of Dec. 4, Ignite have a 1-8 record as Holland has struggled to score efficiently (20% from 3, 57% from the line). He is turning the ball over frequently (4.1 per game) and having too many lapses defensively. He took a major step in the right direction this past week, stringing together his three best games of the season while helping Ignite get their first win. Without elite physical tools, Holland's competitiveness was his biggest calling card as a prospect and one of the main reasons he was so well-regarded coming out of high school. With a long season still ahead, Holland has time to adjust to the high level of competition he's facing in the G League and remind scouts what makes him tick. -- Jonthan Givony"

Was December 5th, 2023 when Ron Holland was in high school.

Why just randomly guess what is in a source and then trying to debunk it based on your guess instead of checking yourself.

Without elite physical tools, Holland's competitiveness was his biggest calling card as a prospect and one of the main reasons he was so well-regarded coming out of high school.

Clearly it is referencing him as a high schooler, which is exactly what I just said... Was is a past tense verb.

So are you pretending you don't know how to read or what.

"Humiliating myself to try to win an argument" is really weird.

Do you think that if Holland's physical tools were viewed as much improved in the G-League, Givony would simply not mention that while talking about Holland in the G League.

How do you think communication works.

[JMAC3]

Did you even bother to check the Ron Holland scouting report on ESPN.

"Dec. 5, 2023

This has been a difficult season for G League Ignite and their prized prospect, Holland. As of Dec. 4, Ignite have a 1-8 record as Holland has struggled to score efficiently (20% from 3, 57% from the line). He is turning the ball over frequently (4.1 per game) and having too many lapses defensively. He took a major step in the right direction this past week, stringing together his three best games of the season while helping Ignite get their first win. Without elite physical tools, Holland's competitiveness was his biggest calling card as a prospect and one of the main reasons he was so well-regarded coming out of high school. With a long season still ahead, Holland has time to adjust to the high level of competition he's facing in the G League and remind scouts what makes him tick. -- Jonthan Givony"

Was December 5th, 2023 when Ron Holland was in high school.

Why just randomly guess what is in a source and then trying to debunk it based on your guess instead of checking yourself.

Without elite physical tools, Holland's competitiveness was his biggest calling card as a prospect and one of the main reasons he was so well-regarded coming out of high school.

Clearly it is referencing him as a high schooler, which is exactly what I just said... Was is a past tense verb.

So are you pretending you don't know how to read or what.

"Humiliating myself to try to win an argument" is really weird.

Do you think that if Holland's physical tools were viewed as much improved in the G-League, Givony would simply not mention that while talking about Holland in the G League.

How do you think communication works.

You are the one who is hung up on 1 sentence from a scouting report instead of watching the film. Which again I posted plenty of tape of him being a good athlete.

Telling me I can't read, I am humiliating myself and I don't understand how communication works is you attacking me and has nothing to do with the prospect.

[HadAnEffectHere]

Without elite physical tools, Holland's competitiveness was his biggest calling card as a prospect and one of the main reasons he was so well-regarded coming out of high school.

Clearly it is referencing him as a high schooler, which is exactly what I just said... Was is a past tense verb.

So are you pretending you don't know how to read or what.

"Humiliating myself to try to win an argument" is really weird.

Do you think that if Holland's physical tools were viewed as much improved in the G-League, Givony would simply not mention that while talking about Holland in the G League.

How do you think communication works.

You are the one who is hung up on 1 sentence from a scouting report instead of watching the film. Which again I posted plenty of tape of him being a good athlete.

Telling me I can't read, I am humiliating myself and I don't understand how communication works is you attacking me and has nothing to do with the prospect.

I've watched a lot of Holland and he really struggles to get up without a ton of runway and his horrible shooting percentages agree with that.

Those two plays are also really unimpressive and come off of a huge runway, lol.

Scoot Henderson has no functional explosion and look at his highlights.

Watch on YouTube

Massively more impressive.

[JMAC3]

So are you pretending you don't know how to read or what.

"Humiliating myself to try to win an argument" is really weird.

Do you think that if Holland's physical tools were viewed as much improved in the G-League, Givony would simply not mention that while talking about Holland in the G League.

How do you think communication works.

You are the one who is hung up on 1 sentence from a scouting report instead of watching the film. Which again I posted plenty of tape of him being a good athlete.

Telling me I can't read, I am humiliating myself and I don't understand how communication works is you attacking me and has nothing to do with the prospect.

I've watched a lot of Holland and he really struggles to get up without a ton of runway and his horrible shooting percentages agree with that.

Those two plays are also really unimpressive and come off of a huge runway, lol.

Scoot Henderson has no functional explosion and look at his highlights.

Watch on YouTube

Massively more impressive.

So you are sticking to Holland is a bad athlete? Just want to know if that is your final stance on him?

[HadAnEffectHere]

You are the one who is hung up on 1 sentence from a scouting report instead of watching the film. Which again I posted plenty of tape of him being a good athlete.

Telling me I can't read, I am humiliating myself and I don't understand how communication works is you attacking me and has nothing to do with the prospect.

I've watched a lot of Holland and he really struggles to get up without a ton of runway and his horrible shooting percentages agree with that.

Those two plays are also really unimpressive and come off of a huge runway, lol.

Scoot Henderson has no functional explosion and look at his highlights.

Watch on YouTube

Massively more impressive.

So you are sticking to Holland is a bad athlete? Just want to know if that is your final stance on him?

I'm sticking to "Ron Holland is extremely strong and has good lateral quickness, but has awful explosion"