Re: Brandon Miller - Alabama
Posted: Thu Dec 7, 2023 8:21 pm
Miller awful in the first half last night 0/6 for zero points. Rebounded in 2nd half a bit to make it look not so bad, finishing with 12 pts.
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JustBuzzin wrote:The rookie nobody is talking about. Miller is the next great wing. If he puts on weight and gets stronger good luck stopping this kid with his shooting stroke.
Big J wrote:JustBuzzin wrote:The rookie nobody is talking about. Miller is the next great wing. If he puts on weight and gets stronger good luck stopping this kid with his shooting stroke.
Nobody is talking about him because there were so many terrible takes about him pre draft.
JustBuzzin wrote:The rookie nobody is talking about. Miller is the next great wing. If he puts on weight and gets stronger good luck stopping this kid with his shooting stroke.
Colbinii wrote:JustBuzzin wrote:The rookie nobody is talking about. Miller is the next great wing. If he puts on weight and gets stronger good luck stopping this kid with his shooting stroke.
The next great wing?
You do realize he is significantly behind guys like Jayson Tatum at a similar age. He is right around Paul George's arc (But Paul George had a unique developmental Arc becoming an All-Defensive caliber wing and then an MVP Candidate).
I do worry about his free throw rate, which is historically low for a wing prospect.
I like what he has shown more than a 20/21 year old R.J. Barrett, which is great for Charlotte. He also looks better than a young Jaylen Brown, who was raw but uber-athletic, which leaves so higher end outcomes for Miller still in play.
Let's hope Charlotte can put the right pieces around him to succeed and maximize his skill-set going into year 2.
JustBuzzin wrote:Colbinii wrote:JustBuzzin wrote:The rookie nobody is talking about. Miller is the next great wing. If he puts on weight and gets stronger good luck stopping this kid with his shooting stroke.
The next great wing?
You do realize he is significantly behind guys like Jayson Tatum at a similar age. He is right around Paul George's arc (But Paul George had a unique developmental Arc becoming an All-Defensive caliber wing and then an MVP Candidate).
I do worry about his free throw rate, which is historically low for a wing prospect.
I like what he has shown more than a 20/21 year old R.J. Barrett, which is great for Charlotte. He also looks better than a young Jaylen Brown, who was raw but uber-athletic, which leaves so higher end outcomes for Miller still in play.
Let's hope Charlotte can put the right pieces around him to succeed and maximize his skill-set going into year 2.
Tatum averaged 14/5 as a rookie.
PG averaged 8/4 as a rookie.
Miller as a rookie 17/4.
Bro whatever happened to the eye test?Colbinii wrote:JustBuzzin wrote:Colbinii wrote:
The next great wing?
You do realize he is significantly behind guys like Jayson Tatum at a similar age. He is right around Paul George's arc (But Paul George had a unique developmental Arc becoming an All-Defensive caliber wing and then an MVP Candidate).
I do worry about his free throw rate, which is historically low for a wing prospect.
I like what he has shown more than a 20/21 year old R.J. Barrett, which is great for Charlotte. He also looks better than a young Jaylen Brown, who was raw but uber-athletic, which leaves so higher end outcomes for Miller still in play.
Let's hope Charlotte can put the right pieces around him to succeed and maximize his skill-set going into year 2.
Tatum averaged 14/5 as a rookie.
PG averaged 8/4 as a rookie.
Miller as a rookie 17/4.
I think it is more important to compare them at their respective ages and also look at things beyond points and rebounds [Which are a by-product of role on a team rather than ability]. For reference, R.J. Barret as a rookie posted 14/5/3 while being 2 years younger than Brandon Miller.
The first is Free Throw Rate. This is incredibly important and typically--for players who become superstars--have an ability to draw fouls. Below are the first 3 seasons of Free Throw Rate of Tatum/PG13 and a few other wing:
Jayson Tatum: 30.4% / 22.0% / 25.5%
Paul George: 25.6% / 28.5% / 23.3%
R.J. Barrett: 34.9 %/ 26.0% / 34.0%
Trey Murphy III: 18.4% / 23.8% / 22.45
Rui Hachimura: 25.7% / 24.8% / 17.3%
Jaylen Brown: 29.3% / 29.0% / 25.5%
Brandon Ingram: 31.2% / 37.1% / 39.6%
Taurean Prince: 33.0% / 18.5% / 19.5%
Klay Thompson: 12.7% / 13.0%/ 14.7%
Justice Winslow: 25.3% / 20.9% / 21.3%
De'Andre Hunter: 21.1% / 34.3% / 28.9%
Cade Cunningham: 16.3% / 19.2% / 23.5%
Brandon Miller: 15.3%
When I look at the free-throw rates, aside from some of the smaller sample sizes [Rookie Taurean Prince], is how much better most of these players were at drawing free throws, which is seemingly a requirement to develop into a Star Wing. Being able to draw fouls at a young age [19-22] doesn't guarantee stardom, but being unable to draw fouls at a decent clip is a red flag.
For Context for Miller's Free Throw Rate:
-I would point to Miller's 32.9% in college as a marker for this year being an outlier in support of Miller.
-I would point to Cunningham's growth as another potential supporting point for Miller as we project him into the future.
-I would point to Miller's ability to shoot the 3 at a high percentage and being utilized as a floor spacer as another point for Miller.
JustBuzzin wrote:Bro whatever happened to the eye test?Colbinii wrote:JustBuzzin wrote:Tatum averaged 14/5 as a rookie.
PG averaged 8/4 as a rookie.
Miller as a rookie 17/4.
I think it is more important to compare them at their respective ages and also look at things beyond points and rebounds [Which are a by-product of role on a team rather than ability]. For reference, R.J. Barret as a rookie posted 14/5/3 while being 2 years younger than Brandon Miller.
The first is Free Throw Rate. This is incredibly important and typically--for players who become superstars--have an ability to draw fouls. Below are the first 3 seasons of Free Throw Rate of Tatum/PG13 and a few other wing:
Jayson Tatum: 30.4% / 22.0% / 25.5%
Paul George: 25.6% / 28.5% / 23.3%
R.J. Barrett: 34.9 %/ 26.0% / 34.0%
Trey Murphy III: 18.4% / 23.8% / 22.45
Rui Hachimura: 25.7% / 24.8% / 17.3%
Jaylen Brown: 29.3% / 29.0% / 25.5%
Brandon Ingram: 31.2% / 37.1% / 39.6%
Taurean Prince: 33.0% / 18.5% / 19.5%
Klay Thompson: 12.7% / 13.0%/ 14.7%
Justice Winslow: 25.3% / 20.9% / 21.3%
De'Andre Hunter: 21.1% / 34.3% / 28.9%
Cade Cunningham: 16.3% / 19.2% / 23.5%
Brandon Miller: 15.3%
When I look at the free-throw rates, aside from some of the smaller sample sizes [Rookie Taurean Prince], is how much better most of these players were at drawing free throws, which is seemingly a requirement to develop into a Star Wing. Being able to draw fouls at a young age [19-22] doesn't guarantee stardom, but being unable to draw fouls at a decent clip is a red flag.
For Context for Miller's Free Throw Rate:
-I would point to Miller's 32.9% in college as a marker for this year being an outlier in support of Miller.
-I would point to Cunningham's growth as another potential supporting point for Miller as we project him into the future.
-I would point to Miller's ability to shoot the 3 at a high percentage and being utilized as a floor spacer as another point for Miller.
You getting deep into stats. I'm just a basic stats guy. All that other stuff I'm not into.
Colbinii wrote:JustBuzzin wrote:Bro whatever happened to the eye test?Colbinii wrote:
I think it is more important to compare them at their respective ages and also look at things beyond points and rebounds [Which are a by-product of role on a team rather than ability]. For reference, R.J. Barret as a rookie posted 14/5/3 while being 2 years younger than Brandon Miller.
The first is Free Throw Rate. This is incredibly important and typically--for players who become superstars--have an ability to draw fouls. Below are the first 3 seasons of Free Throw Rate of Tatum/PG13 and a few other wing:
Jayson Tatum: 30.4% / 22.0% / 25.5%
Paul George: 25.6% / 28.5% / 23.3%
R.J. Barrett: 34.9 %/ 26.0% / 34.0%
Trey Murphy III: 18.4% / 23.8% / 22.45
Rui Hachimura: 25.7% / 24.8% / 17.3%
Jaylen Brown: 29.3% / 29.0% / 25.5%
Brandon Ingram: 31.2% / 37.1% / 39.6%
Taurean Prince: 33.0% / 18.5% / 19.5%
Klay Thompson: 12.7% / 13.0%/ 14.7%
Justice Winslow: 25.3% / 20.9% / 21.3%
De'Andre Hunter: 21.1% / 34.3% / 28.9%
Cade Cunningham: 16.3% / 19.2% / 23.5%
Brandon Miller: 15.3%
When I look at the free-throw rates, aside from some of the smaller sample sizes [Rookie Taurean Prince], is how much better most of these players were at drawing free throws, which is seemingly a requirement to develop into a Star Wing. Being able to draw fouls at a young age [19-22] doesn't guarantee stardom, but being unable to draw fouls at a decent clip is a red flag.
For Context for Miller's Free Throw Rate:
-I would point to Miller's 32.9% in college as a marker for this year being an outlier in support of Miller.
-I would point to Cunningham's growth as another potential supporting point for Miller as we project him into the future.
-I would point to Miller's ability to shoot the 3 at a high percentage and being utilized as a floor spacer as another point for Miller.
You getting deep into stats. I'm just a basic stats guy. All that other stuff I'm not into.
What does Miller do, when you watch him, that makes you think he will hit his higher-end outcomes as a wing and be a perennial All-NBA candidate?
Is it his pace? His feel and understand to space himself correctly on the court? His movements with and without the ball?
I have been impressed with the growth of his game inside the 3P line through the season but I still need to see more.