mattg wrote:clyde21 wrote:mattg wrote:No, you're literally making a straw man that I've never been arguing. You're demanding I tell you who I think is the best in the last decade with receipts for some reason, I literally tell you I think Herro was a clearly better shooting prospect and there's plenty of receipts for that. But I haven't sat down and gone over the last decade of prospects breaking them all down to say for certain Herro is the best shooting prospect to me, but I'd rate him clearly above Hawkins in that regard and told you why. I know you're just trying to find a gotcha moment or some dumb **** but again you still haven't addressed what I said about Hawkins draft position. Why is he not being rated a surefire top-10 guy in this crappy draft if he is that elite of a shooter that also has athleticism, defense, AND further offensive upside? How bout instead of deflecting nonstop you just explain that disconnect?
you're speaking to the biggest Herro fan on this board - I was the one talking about how good he is when almost everyone was saying he wasn't a lotto guy - you can look up those convos and here we are again.
and Herro was not a better shooting prospect than Hawkins. he was a better prospect because he had more playmaking and on-ball chops but as a pure shooting prospect no, Herro wasn't really better.
it's hilarious seeing how offended you got tho because ONE guy said he was and the only name you can come up with yourself is Herro. if it's such a crazy take to you you should have a laundry list of better shooters to come out recently than Hawkins.
I'm just asking to explain that if Hawkins is what you say he is, why isn't he a surefire top 10 guy for you? Seems simple. I've done all the crap you've asked and you can't do what I'm asking? I'm not offended, I'm just annoyed that you refuse to read posts repeatedly. You refuse to address that, and try to pivot to ripping on me and emphatically claiming no one said Hawkins was the best shooting prospect in a decade, I then provide you the receipt showing you that you were completely wrong and you pivot again to something else. Creating strawmen and ad hominems. Grow up. We can disagree on how good prospects are but the fact is right now you are repeatedly refusing to answer a simple question about Hawkins draft position. Why isn't he surefire top 10 in this bad draft with his sick offensive skill set.
And you weren't the biggest Herro fan FYI. You spent a good chunk of that season literally referring to my explanations while you simply posted twitter clips and stuff and 1 sentence posts about him. You really, really liked him, but come on.
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There's the receipts for you. There's plenty more that I can pull out too.
i was the first to put Herro in the top 10 on this board - sit the **** down. we don't even know how high you had him because you don't actually post boards - there are a few of you that like to weasel around these threads and criticize and never actually post any rankings of prospects.
and why don't I have him top 10? not sure what kinda question is that. I don't have him top 10 because I have 10 other prospects ranked higher. why does this to be explained to you?
. The question I asked has obvious relevance because based on your evaluation of Hawkins, he should be going top 10 guaranteed or even fringe top 5 on purely his offensive skillset. If you have that many other guys ahead of him in this weak class, then it's because Hawkins actually isn't nearly as good as what you are saying he is. I get that it's hard for your angsty teenage brain to understand when you're throwing temper tantrums with every single person who disagrees with you on the internet, but I'm sure you'll link a few random twitter clips and memes and feel accomplished or like you "won" the argument you created in your head. Time to block this idiocy and move on.
