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Re: Scoot Henderson 

Post#1601 » by Special_Puppy » Fri Apr 5, 2024 8:40 pm

FarBeyondDriven wrote:can the kid get a real offseason with NBA coaches and trainers before we relegate him to being a backup PG?


Blazers HAVE to fire Chauncey.
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Re: Scoot Henderson 

Post#1602 » by Big J » Fri Apr 5, 2024 8:43 pm

zzaj wrote:
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zzaj wrote:
Seriously...everyone knows skill development doesn't happen in-season. Hell, team practices barely happen in season.The Scoot that we see next year will be very telling...


He's not going to suddenly become a different player. A lot of what we're seeing this year is who he is. He might become a better version of that, but the idea that he's going to turn into DRose or prime Westbrook is laughable.


While I don't think he's going to turn into DRose or Westbrook, I think he's shown enough glimpses this season in "good Scoot" games that he can be an average starting PG. I expect 20 year olds to make some improvement over the summer, and it's absolutely crucial that he does. I'll say it again the Scoot that we see next year will be very telling--if he's as all around inefficient as he has been this year? That's a bit of a problem. If he looks consistently more like what we see with "good Scoot" this time next year? Then I think that's enough to show that he'll be an average, starting PG.


Ahh got it. Yea, I guess he could become a Mike Conley type. We were all sold a different bill of goods on him though.
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Re: Scoot Henderson 

Post#1603 » by zzaj » Fri Apr 5, 2024 8:57 pm

Big J wrote:
zzaj wrote:
Big J wrote:
He's not going to suddenly become a different player. A lot of what we're seeing this year is who he is. He might become a better version of that, but the idea that he's going to turn into DRose or prime Westbrook is laughable.


While I don't think he's going to turn into DRose or Westbrook, I think he's shown enough glimpses this season in "good Scoot" games that he can be an average starting PG. I expect 20 year olds to make some improvement over the summer, and it's absolutely crucial that he does. I'll say it again the Scoot that we see next year will be very telling--if he's as all around inefficient as he has been this year? That's a bit of a problem. If he looks consistently more like what we see with "good Scoot" this time next year? Then I think that's enough to show that he'll be an average, starting PG.


Ahh got it. Yea, I guess he could become a Mike Conley type. We were all sold a different bill of goods on him though.


100%...if he turns into a non-injury Conley or a Kemba, I would think the Blazers would have to be ecstatic. I just went back and listened to a few draft podcasts specifically aimed at Scoot. Pretty funny what they were peddling...
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Re: Scoot Henderson 

Post#1604 » by JRoy » Fri Apr 5, 2024 10:13 pm

Special_Puppy wrote:
FarBeyondDriven wrote:can the kid get a real offseason with NBA coaches and trainers before we relegate him to being a backup PG?


Blazers HAVE to fire Chauncey.


He needs to go.
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Re: Scoot Henderson 

Post#1605 » by Braggins » Sat Apr 6, 2024 5:49 pm

Scoots at 58 total games currently.

entire season
27.8 min ~ 13.6 pts ~ 3.1 reb ~ 5.1 ast ~ 3.3 tov
38.7% fg ~ 31.4% 3pt ~ 81.3% ft (3.2 fta)

first 29 games
27.8 min ~ 12.0 pts ~ 3.0 reb ~ 4.9 ast ~ 3.3 tov
36.5% fg ~ 29.3% 3pt ~ 72.0% ft (2.8 fta)

last 29 games
27.9 min ~ 15.1 pts ~ 3.3 reb ~ 5.3 ast ~ 3.2 tov
40.9% fg ~ 33.3% 3pt ~ 88.6% ft (3.6 fta)

Scoot vs Miller per75 breakdown + 10 game splits

Scoot Henderson ~ 20.2 yrs
per75 possession: 18.2 pts ~ 4.2 reb ~ 6.8 ast ~ 1.0 stl ~ 0.3 blk ~ 4.4 tov ~ 4.3 pf
42.3% 2pt (11.3 2pta) ~ 31.4% 3pt (5.5 3pta) ~ 81.3% ft (4.4 fta) ~ 1.56 ast/tov

10 game splits
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1-10
per game: 25.1 min ~ 9.2 pts ~ 2.7 reb ~ 4.2 ast ~ 0.5 stl ~ 0.1 blk ~ 3.4 tov ~ 4.1 pf
42.6% 2pt (6.1 2pta) ~ 22.0% 3pt (4.1 3pta) ~ 68.4% ft (1.9 fta) ~ 1.24 ast/tov

11-20
per game: 27.3 min ~ 13.0 pts ~ 2.5 reb ~ 4.7 ast ~ 0.6 stl ~ 0.3 blk ~ 2.5 tov ~ 3.3 pf
43.5% 2pt (8.5 2pta) ~ 29.4% 3pt (3.4 3pta) ~ 86.7% ft (3.0 fta) ~ 1.88 ast/tov

21-30
per game: 32.3 min ~ 16.0 pts ~ 4.2 reb ~ 6.1 ast ~ 0.9 stl ~ 0.3 blk ~ 3.9 tov ~ 2.7 pf
34.5% 2pt (11.0 2pta) ~ 38.0% 3pt (5.0 3pta) ~ 64.3% ft (4.2 fta) ~ 1.56 ast/tov

31-40
per game: 21.4 min ~ 12.8 pts ~ 2.3 reb ~ 3.0 ast ~ 0.3 stl ~ 0.3 blk ~ 2.1 tov ~ 1.9 pf
50.0% 2pt (5.6 2pta) ~ 35.5% 3pt (3.1 3pta) ~ 97.5% ft (4.0 fta) ~ 1.43 ast/tov

41-50
per game: 29.1 min ~ 12.6 pts ~ 3.4 reb ~ 5.6 ast ~ 0.9 stl ~ 0.1 blk ~ 3.0 tov ~ 3.6 pf
39.8% 2pt (8.3 2pta) ~ 23.1% 3pt (3.9 3pta) ~ 86.8% ft (3.8 fta) 1.87 ast/tov

51-58 (8 games)
per game: 32.9 min ~ 18.8 pts ~ 3.9 reb ~ 7.3 ast ~ 1.3 stl ~ 0.1 blk ~ 5.0 tov ~ 3.5 pf
48.4% 2pt (9.1 2pta) ~ 39.0% 3pt (5.1 3pta) ~ 77.8% ft (2.3 fta) ~ 1.45 ast/tov

Brandon Miller ~ 21.4 yrs
per75 possession: 19.9 pts ~ 5.0 reb ~ 2.7 ast ~ 1.1 stl ~ 0.7 blk ~ 2.0 tov ~ 2.9 pf
49.5% 2pt (9.4 2pta) ~ 37.4% 3pt (7.6 3pta) ~ 81.5% ft (2.6 fta) ~ 1.32 ast/tov

10 game splits
Spoiler:
1-10
per game: 28.7 min ~ 12.5 pts ~ 4.2 reb ~ 1.7 ast ~ 0.5 stl ~ 0.5 blk ~ 0.9 tov ~ 3.1 pf
54.2% 2pt (7.2 2pta) ~ 25.6% 3pt (3.9 3pta) ~ 73.9% ft (2.3 fta) ~ 1.89 ast/tov

11-20
per game: 35.3 min ~ 17.1 pts ~ 4.0 reb ~ 2.7 ast ~ 0.9 stl ~ 0.6 blk ~ 2.4 tov ~ 2.9 pf
41.6% 2pt (7.7 2pta) ~ 49.2% 3pt (6.3 3pta) ~ 93.3% ft (1.5 fta) ~ 1.13 ast/tov

21-30
per game: 29.0 min ~ 13.4 pts ~ 3.4 reb ~ 2.3 ast ~ 0.6 stl ~ 0.4 blk ~ 1.8 tov ~ 2.3 pf
41.3% 2pt (7.5 2pta) ~ 31.1% 3pt (6.1 3pta) ~ 83.3% ft (1.8 fta) ~ 1.28 ast/tov

31-40
per game: 30.9 min ~ 18.0 pts ~ 3.9 reb ~ 2.5 ast ~ 0.6 stl ~ 0.3 blk ~ 1.1 tov ~ 2.1 pf
53.8% 2pt (7.5 2pta) ~ 39.1% 3pt (6.4 3pta) ~ 80.8% ft (2.6 fta) ~ 2.27 ast/tov

41-50
per game: 33.8 min ~ 21.5 pts ~ 4.6 reb ~ 2.8 ast ~ 2.0 stl ~ 1.0 blk ~ 2.5 tov ~ 2.8 pf
50.5% 2pt (9.1 2pta) ~ 40.5% 3pt (7.9 3pta) ~ 87.1% ft (3.1 fta) ~ 1.12 ast/tov

51-60
per game: 35.1 min ~ 18.3 pts ~ 5.3 reb ~ 2.6 ast ~ 1.1 stl ~ 0.5 blk ~ 1.7 tov ~ 2.1 pf
51.0% 2pt (9.6 2pta) ~ 31.2% 3pt (7.7 3pta) ~ 72.2% (1.8 fta) ~ 1.53 ast/tov

61-70
per game: 33.7 min ~ 20.1 pts ~ 4.7 reb ~ 1.9 ast ~ 0.5 stl ~ 0.6 blk ~ 2.1 tov ~ 2.4 pf
53.2% 2pt (7.9 2pta) ~ 40.5% 3pt (7.9 3pta) ~ 80.8% ft (2.6 fta) ~ 0.90 ast/tov
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Re: Scoot Henderson 

Post#1606 » by zzaj » Mon Apr 8, 2024 7:54 pm

Braggins wrote:Scoots at 58 total games currently.

entire season
27.8 min ~ 13.6 pts ~ 3.1 reb ~ 5.1 ast ~ 3.3 tov
38.7% fg ~ 31.4% 3pt ~ 81.3% ft (3.2 fta)

first 29 games
27.8 min ~ 12.0 pts ~ 3.0 reb ~ 4.9 ast ~ 3.3 tov
36.5% fg ~ 29.3% 3pt ~ 72.0% ft (2.8 fta)

last 29 games
27.9 min ~ 15.1 pts ~ 3.3 reb ~ 5.3 ast ~ 3.2 tov
40.9% fg ~ 33.3% 3pt ~ 88.6% ft (3.6 fta)

Scoot vs Miller per75 breakdown + 10 game splits

Scoot Henderson ~ 20.2 yrs
per75 possession: 18.2 pts ~ 4.2 reb ~ 6.8 ast ~ 1.0 stl ~ 0.3 blk ~ 4.4 tov ~ 4.3 pf
42.3% 2pt (11.3 2pta) ~ 31.4% 3pt (5.5 3pta) ~ 81.3% ft (4.4 fta) ~ 1.56 ast/tov

10 game splits
Spoiler:
1-10
per game: 25.1 min ~ 9.2 pts ~ 2.7 reb ~ 4.2 ast ~ 0.5 stl ~ 0.1 blk ~ 3.4 tov ~ 4.1 pf
42.6% 2pt (6.1 2pta) ~ 22.0% 3pt (4.1 3pta) ~ 68.4% ft (1.9 fta) ~ 1.24 ast/tov

11-20
per game: 27.3 min ~ 13.0 pts ~ 2.5 reb ~ 4.7 ast ~ 0.6 stl ~ 0.3 blk ~ 2.5 tov ~ 3.3 pf
43.5% 2pt (8.5 2pta) ~ 29.4% 3pt (3.4 3pta) ~ 86.7% ft (3.0 fta) ~ 1.88 ast/tov

21-30
per game: 32.3 min ~ 16.0 pts ~ 4.2 reb ~ 6.1 ast ~ 0.9 stl ~ 0.3 blk ~ 3.9 tov ~ 2.7 pf
34.5% 2pt (11.0 2pta) ~ 38.0% 3pt (5.0 3pta) ~ 64.3% ft (4.2 fta) ~ 1.56 ast/tov

31-40
per game: 21.4 min ~ 12.8 pts ~ 2.3 reb ~ 3.0 ast ~ 0.3 stl ~ 0.3 blk ~ 2.1 tov ~ 1.9 pf
50.0% 2pt (5.6 2pta) ~ 35.5% 3pt (3.1 3pta) ~ 97.5% ft (4.0 fta) ~ 1.43 ast/tov

41-50
per game: 29.1 min ~ 12.6 pts ~ 3.4 reb ~ 5.6 ast ~ 0.9 stl ~ 0.1 blk ~ 3.0 tov ~ 3.6 pf
39.8% 2pt (8.3 2pta) ~ 23.1% 3pt (3.9 3pta) ~ 86.8% ft (3.8 fta) 1.87 ast/tov

51-58 (8 games)
per game: 32.9 min ~ 18.8 pts ~ 3.9 reb ~ 7.3 ast ~ 1.3 stl ~ 0.1 blk ~ 5.0 tov ~ 3.5 pf
48.4% 2pt (9.1 2pta) ~ 39.0% 3pt (5.1 3pta) ~ 77.8% ft (2.3 fta) ~ 1.45 ast/tov

Brandon Miller ~ 21.4 yrs
per75 possession: 19.9 pts ~ 5.0 reb ~ 2.7 ast ~ 1.1 stl ~ 0.7 blk ~ 2.0 tov ~ 2.9 pf
49.5% 2pt (9.4 2pta) ~ 37.4% 3pt (7.6 3pta) ~ 81.5% ft (2.6 fta) ~ 1.32 ast/tov

10 game splits
Spoiler:
1-10
per game: 28.7 min ~ 12.5 pts ~ 4.2 reb ~ 1.7 ast ~ 0.5 stl ~ 0.5 blk ~ 0.9 tov ~ 3.1 pf
54.2% 2pt (7.2 2pta) ~ 25.6% 3pt (3.9 3pta) ~ 73.9% ft (2.3 fta) ~ 1.89 ast/tov

11-20
per game: 35.3 min ~ 17.1 pts ~ 4.0 reb ~ 2.7 ast ~ 0.9 stl ~ 0.6 blk ~ 2.4 tov ~ 2.9 pf
41.6% 2pt (7.7 2pta) ~ 49.2% 3pt (6.3 3pta) ~ 93.3% ft (1.5 fta) ~ 1.13 ast/tov

21-30
per game: 29.0 min ~ 13.4 pts ~ 3.4 reb ~ 2.3 ast ~ 0.6 stl ~ 0.4 blk ~ 1.8 tov ~ 2.3 pf
41.3% 2pt (7.5 2pta) ~ 31.1% 3pt (6.1 3pta) ~ 83.3% ft (1.8 fta) ~ 1.28 ast/tov

31-40
per game: 30.9 min ~ 18.0 pts ~ 3.9 reb ~ 2.5 ast ~ 0.6 stl ~ 0.3 blk ~ 1.1 tov ~ 2.1 pf
53.8% 2pt (7.5 2pta) ~ 39.1% 3pt (6.4 3pta) ~ 80.8% ft (2.6 fta) ~ 2.27 ast/tov

41-50
per game: 33.8 min ~ 21.5 pts ~ 4.6 reb ~ 2.8 ast ~ 2.0 stl ~ 1.0 blk ~ 2.5 tov ~ 2.8 pf
50.5% 2pt (9.1 2pta) ~ 40.5% 3pt (7.9 3pta) ~ 87.1% ft (3.1 fta) ~ 1.12 ast/tov

51-60
per game: 35.1 min ~ 18.3 pts ~ 5.3 reb ~ 2.6 ast ~ 1.1 stl ~ 0.5 blk ~ 1.7 tov ~ 2.1 pf
51.0% 2pt (9.6 2pta) ~ 31.2% 3pt (7.7 3pta) ~ 72.2% (1.8 fta) ~ 1.53 ast/tov

61-70
per game: 33.7 min ~ 20.1 pts ~ 4.7 reb ~ 1.9 ast ~ 0.5 stl ~ 0.6 blk ~ 2.1 tov ~ 2.4 pf
53.2% 2pt (7.9 2pta) ~ 40.5% 3pt (7.9 3pta) ~ 80.8% ft (2.6 fta) ~ 0.90 ast/tov


I still don't understand why everyone seems to love comparing Scoot and Miller...it's not like the Blazers had a choice in who they picked between the two. Charlotte did, and it looks like they have a nice piece to build on moving forward--which is great. A more interesting comparison would be Scoot and Amen...
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Re: Scoot Henderson 

Post#1607 » by yosemiteben » Sat Apr 13, 2024 5:40 pm

I don't know why I'm in here stirring the pot but here I go:

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Post#1608 » by ItsDanger » Sat Apr 13, 2024 5:53 pm

Biggest weakness shown in his rookie season might be the very poor finish at the rim.
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Post#1609 » by RyugaFan » Sat Apr 13, 2024 6:56 pm

1600 posts lmao what have yall been saying
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Re: Scoot Henderson 

Post#1610 » by JMAC3 » Sat Apr 13, 2024 7:29 pm

The last 2 weeks of the NBA season is really hard to trust when players play well. That said Scoot is at least doing some nice things the last few games albit still having severe struggles in other areas.

For instance last few games raw numbers look good 30 pts, games with 15 and 12 assists... but he still shot 36% from the field over his last 4 games and had games with 9 turnovers and 8 turnovers.

The Blazers are doing a good job of just embracing Scoot and even though he is a massive losing player right now they are still letting him try to learn through it. Probably give him the first half of next year to do the same, but if he doesn't start to be more efficient and more impactful then that is probably when we see them pull the rug on this type of role.
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Re: Scoot Henderson 

Post#1611 » by Big J » Sat Apr 13, 2024 10:00 pm

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Post#1612 » by Special_Puppy » Sat Apr 13, 2024 10:10 pm

Scoot is literally last in Time-Decay RAPM, last in Estimated Wins, and Last in VORP. Its been a rough rookie season https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mhwOLqPu2F9026EQiVxFPIN1t9RGafGpl-dokaIsm9c/edit#gid=923517192
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Post#1613 » by Dame Lizard » Sat Apr 13, 2024 11:34 pm

ItsDanger wrote:Biggest weakness shown in his rookie season might be the very poor finish at the rim.
Yes, definitely. Lillard struggled with this in his rookie season too. I think Scoot will improve in this area significantly, starting with this offseason.
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Post#1614 » by Big J » Sun Apr 14, 2024 1:14 am

Dame Lizard wrote:
ItsDanger wrote:Biggest weakness shown in his rookie season might be the very poor finish at the rim.
Yes, definitely. Lillard struggled with this in his rookie season too. I think Scoot will improve in this area significantly, starting with this offseason.


Difference is that Dame got those looks at the rim because guys would close out on him at the perimeter due to his shooting. Scoot taking a 3 is a win for the D.
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Post#1615 » by tmorgan » Sun Apr 14, 2024 1:51 am

Honestly, his 3% is about what I expected, and certainly not horrible. But his overall FG%, and in particular his FG% at the rim, is truly awful. Given the percentages, “Scoot taking a 3” is actually just about the best outcome this year.
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Post#1616 » by Pattycakes » Sun Apr 14, 2024 2:09 pm

yosemiteben wrote:I don't know why I'm in here stirring the pot but here I go:

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You’re not stirring the pot, just showing the 20 year old has shown massive potential down the stretch. Anyone offended by that clearly has scoot bias at this point.
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Re: Scoot Henderson 

Post#1617 » by Braggins » Mon Apr 15, 2024 6:33 pm

Last 31 games of the season he averaged

28.9 mpg ~ 15.5 ppg ~ 3.1 rpg ~ 5.9 apg
40.8% fg ~ 34.8% 3pt ~ 88.9% ft
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Post#1618 » by tester551 » Mon Apr 15, 2024 6:41 pm

Braggins wrote:Last 31 games of the season he averaged

28.9 mpg ~ 15.5 ppg ~ 3.1 rpg ~ 5.9 apg
40.8% fg ~ 34.8% 3pt ~ 88.9% ft

Not bad...

Watching most of his games, he has to dramatically improve his decision making. FAR too many "WTF" type plays.
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Post#1619 » by Braggins » Mon Apr 15, 2024 6:54 pm

tester551 wrote:
Braggins wrote:Last 31 games of the season he averaged

28.9 mpg ~ 15.5 ppg ~ 3.1 rpg ~ 5.9 apg
40.8% fg ~ 34.8% 3pt ~ 88.9% ft

Not bad...

Watching most of his games, he has to dramatically improve his decision making. FAR too many "WTF" type plays.

Yeah, he was still at over 3 turnovers per game in that stretch. During the middle portion of the season when Portland had some of their other main ball handlers still playing he was starting to cut back on the turnovers, but later in the season when they were rolling with Delano Banton as the 2nd ball handler and Scoots responsibility drastically increased his turnovers trended back in the wrong direction.
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Post#1620 » by EvanZ » Mon Apr 15, 2024 7:08 pm

Braggins wrote:
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Braggins wrote:Last 31 games of the season he averaged

28.9 mpg ~ 15.5 ppg ~ 3.1 rpg ~ 5.9 apg
40.8% fg ~ 34.8% 3pt ~ 88.9% ft

Not bad...

Watching most of his games, he has to dramatically improve his decision making. FAR too many "WTF" type plays.

Yeah, he was still at over 3 turnovers per game in that stretch. During the middle portion of the season when Portland had some of their other main ball handlers still playing he was starting to cut back on the turnovers, but later in the season when they were rolling with Delano Banton as the 2nd ball handler and Scoots responsibility drastically increased his turnovers trended back in the wrong direction.


What's funny is that the lap takers kept harping on Scoot's "lack of athleticism" which was never really the main issue. Or even his shooting which might end up being good enough. He needs to improve his decision-making. A lot of his plays just look like he isn't aware he's playing against NBA competition. I think he'll figure that out eventually though.
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