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zzaj wrote:MemphisX wrote:?s=46&t=q0Zbv7QUrzRY6VJruFoDsg
That clip shows us that he should have had 2 more assists...if his teammates could make easy buckets.
Catchall wrote:RyugaFan wrote:Can someone make the case against Cody Williams? I'm really high on him and want to get opposing perspectives.
Lack of explosion off the dribble and lack of vertical pop. Doesn't always get all the way to the hoop on his drives. He needs to use more craft and finish with touch, similar to guys like Ingram or Shai-Gilgeous. The other criticism is that he doesn't shoot off the dribble much at all. I'm not sure why that is. Let's say part of it is how effective he is as a driver and finishing with his floater.
However, he's still very young and he looks like he's growing into his body. He's a guy who could be physically solid after a couple years of development. He has enough of a frame to work with.
Depending where he goes, he could be the guy that everyone looks back on and wonder why he wasn't drafted higher.
zzaj wrote:MemphisX wrote:?s=46&t=q0Zbv7QUrzRY6VJruFoDsg
That clip shows us that he should have had 2 more assists...if his teammates could make easy buckets.
RyugaFan wrote:
This one's still etched in my mind
RyugaFan wrote:Catchall wrote:RyugaFan wrote:Can someone make the case against Cody Williams? I'm really high on him and want to get opposing perspectives.
Lack of explosion off the dribble and lack of vertical pop. Doesn't always get all the way to the hoop on his drives. He needs to use more craft and finish with touch, similar to guys like Ingram or Shai-Gilgeous. The other criticism is that he doesn't shoot off the dribble much at all. I'm not sure why that is. Let's say part of it is how effective he is as a driver and finishing with his floater.
However, he's still very young and he looks like he's growing into his body. He's a guy who could be physically solid after a couple years of development. He has enough of a frame to work with.
Depending where he goes, he could be the guy that everyone looks back on and wonder why he wasn't drafted higher.
You think he has a below average downhill explosiveness for a 6'8/6'9 guy?
RyugaFan wrote:
This one's still etched in my mind
HadAnEffectHere wrote:RyugaFan wrote:Can someone make the case against Cody Williams? I'm really high on him and want to get opposing perspectives.
1. He's a ball handling PF and his ball handling is rudimentary. He dribbles with his back to the action and with his head down and his handle is super loose. This made his handle and offense non-functional once he got scouted.
2. He cannot shoot pull-up jumpshots at all
3. He is extremely physically weak
4. He is extremely slow and cannot closeout on shooters at all.
5. He has zero explosion and thus can't rebound or block shots.
He has basically nothing going for him other than paint scoring and you need to project massive athleticism gains despite him needing to also put on around 30-40 pounds of muscle. Even after that, you need to project huge skill growth for him to one day be Pascal Siakam.
Chuck Everett wrote:Now that Jamir Watkins is in the draft, I am guessing he doesn't get past the Knicks (at either 24 or 25). He must have liked what he heard from advisory committee.
MemphisX wrote:Chuck Everett wrote:Now that Jamir Watkins is in the draft, I am guessing he doesn't get past the Knicks (at either 24 or 25). He must have liked what he heard from advisory committee.
I like him anywhere outside the top 10.
HadAnEffectHere wrote:RyugaFan wrote:Can someone make the case against Cody Williams? I'm really high on him and want to get opposing perspectives.
1. He's a ball handling PF and his ball handling is rudimentary. He dribbles with his back to the action and with his head down and his handle is super loose. This made his handle and offense non-functional once he got scouted.
2. He cannot shoot pull-up jumpshots at all
3. He is extremely physically weak
4. He is extremely slow and cannot closeout on shooters at all.
5. He has zero explosion and thus can't rebound or block shots.
He has basically nothing going for him other than paint scoring and you need to project massive athleticism gains despite him needing to also put on around 30-40 pounds of muscle. Even after that, you need to project huge skill growth for him to one day be Pascal Siakam.
HadAnEffectHere wrote:He cannot get to his spots, he got stripped on like 30% of his drives to end the season, it was really bad.
RyugaFan wrote:HadAnEffectHere wrote:He cannot get to his spots, he got stripped on like 30% of his drives to end the season, it was really bad.
None of his turnovers were a result of his handle though. He got stripped on his gathers.
JazzMatt13 wrote:just because I think aliens probably have to do with JFK, doesn't mean my theory that Jazz will never get Wiggins, isn't true.
babyjax13 wrote:RyugaFan wrote:HadAnEffectHere wrote:He cannot get to his spots, he got stripped on like 30% of his drives to end the season, it was really bad.
None of his turnovers were a result of his handle though. He got stripped on his gathers.
I don't think Williams has a good handle at all. He also farts up that awful floater all the time because he can't get to the rim. I still like him as a prospect, but it is a clear weakness and the shooting is obviously worse than the percentages. Watch Brandon Miller's handle last year (a good handle for a guy of this size) then watch Williams (but he's a lot better than Rissacher in this respect and I expect improvement).
Catchall wrote:babyjax13 wrote:RyugaFan wrote:None of his turnovers were a result of his handle though. He got stripped on his gathers.
I don't think Williams has a good handle at all. He also farts up that awful floater all the time because he can't get to the rim. I still like him as a prospect, but it is a clear weakness and the shooting is obviously worse than the percentages. Watch Brandon Miller's handle last year (a good handle for a guy of this size) then watch Williams (but he's a lot better than Rissacher in this respect and I expect improvement).
His handle is a bit loose, but he has good feel with it and has control changing directions. He was an effective driver as a result. He does have issues getting all the way to the rim if he doesn't have space, and the main issue appears to be a lack of elevation on his finishes. This is something to watch in draft workouts. See if he's done good work on his body before the draft.
In terms of position, I think he'll be a 2/3 like a Brandon Ingram, but more likely a 3.
JazzMatt13 wrote:just because I think aliens probably have to do with JFK, doesn't mean my theory that Jazz will never get Wiggins, isn't true.
JazzMatt13 wrote:just because I think aliens probably have to do with JFK, doesn't mean my theory that Jazz will never get Wiggins, isn't true.
babyjax13 wrote:If Memphis is at 6 should they draft (assuming all are on the board) Clingan or Knecht? I'm just assuming that Sarr, Topic, Williams, Rissacher, and Castle are gone since that seems like a mix of guys who have a good chance of going earlier. If Rissacher slips, should they pick him over Knecht or Clingan?
