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Re: 60 International Prospect Big Board Heading into 2024 

Post#21 » by JazzP » Mon Sep 25, 2023 1:21 pm

_GH0ST_ wrote:Where is Adem Bona? He is likely to be selected in the first round.


I didn't think this through well and I have a separate thread with a full 225 player big board for the 2024 draft.

It has 155 college players, 10 from GLI + OTE, and this list of 60 international prospects (though at any given point one is probably more updated than the other, sorry).

I have Adem Bona on the college players list! Though I have him #32 overall; I think 2024 will be fairly deep in bigs and I don't think his situation potentially splitting playing time with Aday Mara is ideal, though I definitely think he's still in draft range no matter what. I'll admit that I probably have him far closer to the lower boundary in the range of potential outcomes for his prospect value at the moment.
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Post#22 » by JazzP » Mon Sep 25, 2023 3:03 pm

Well, I feel silly for assuming that Ruben Prey would be in Joventut's rotation. I don't think there's any guarantee that he won't get playing time-- for example, Eli John N'Diaye was not listed on Real Madrid's lineup at all for their first ACB SuperCup game and then he was in their starting rotation for their 2nd game.

However, Prey was not even listed on Joventut's lineup either and teammate/fellow big man prospect Miguel Allen WAS listed on their roster but didn't get any playing time either. Prey is going to have his work cut out for him to make it into the rotation. I'm keeping him on the 2024 prospect list until time proves otherwise because I think he is a top-tier caliber prospect, but the potential lack of opportunity feels rather damning to me, for his chances in the coming year.

I might be a bit high on Johann Grunloh, who doesn't really seem to be particularly exceptional at anything besides blocking shots. He seems mostly like a solid but unremarkable role player elsewhere, and I'm not sure how well that bodes for a prospect currently listed at 6'9" (though he does seem lanky and I think that height listing might be an underestimate). However, in his very first year of draft eligibility, he was tabbed as a starter for his team (recently promoted to the premier German BBL) and the team promptly introduced themselves to the BBL by beating the team I figured would be the best team participating in the German Cup (which I think generally has a mix of low-tier BBL teams and high-tier Pro A teams). Grunloh, for his part, looked the exact same against senior BBL competition as he has shown against youth league competition with remarkable consistency. He got his 3 blocks and efficient 6 points. I'm not sure what his ceiling is but I know that few prospects born in 2005 are in a better position than he is at the moment.

And with that, here's my latest update!

1. Alexandre Sarr, 2005, Perth (Australian NBL)
I think I significantly underestimated Sarr. His performances in the GLI v Perth exhibitions and the NBL Blitz make me think he's the top international prospect. I don't think it's a huge margin, but I think it feels fairly clear at this point all the same. His defense is already pretty game changing at the NBL level and as rough around the edges as his offense is, he is versatile and it looks like he knows how to make what he's currently working with useful. My bad.

2. Nikola Topic, 2005, KK Mega Bemax (Serbian KLS)

3. Zaccharie Risacher, 2005, JL Bourg-en-Bresse (French LNB)

4. Hansen Yang, 2005, Qingdao (Chinese CBA)

5. Nikola Djurisic, 2004, KK Mega Bemax (Serbian KLS)

6. Melvin Ajinca, 2004, Saint-Quentin (French LNB)

7. Tidjane Salaun, 2005, Cholet (French LNB)

8. Bobi Klintman, 2003, Cairns (Australian NBL)

9. Alex Toohey, 2004, Sydney (Australian NBL)
Toohey has a larger role on this Kings team than I thought and it feels like he's made a fairly effortless transition into professional play so far. He is long for a wing and I think he has made an early statement as a natural shooter and solid defender.

10. Trentyn Flowers, 2005, Adelaide (Australian NBL)

11. Johann Grünloh, 2005, SC Rasta Vechta (German BBL)

12. Lucas Ugolin, 2002, CSP Limoges (French LNB)

13. Juan Nunez, 2004, Ratiopharm Ulm (German BBL)

14. Armel Traore, 2003, ADA Blois (French LNB)

15. Eli John N'Diaye, 2004, Real Madrid (Spanish ACB)

16. Lefteris Mantzoukas, 2003, Panathinaikos (Greek HEBA A1)

17. Thijs de Ridder, 2003, Bilbao (Spanish ACB)

18. Mouhamed Faye, 2005, Reggio Emilia (Italian Serie A)

19. Juan Fernandez, 2002, Rio Breogan (Spanish ACB)

20. Lachlan Olbrich, 2003, Illawarra (Australian NBL)

21. Lucas Langarita, 2005, Casademont Zaragoza (Spanish ACB)

22. Killian Malwaya, 2005, ALM Evreux (French LNB Pro B) Division 2 Senior League

23. Jaka Klobucar, 2003, UNSIGNED

24. Ilias Kamardine, 2003, JA Vichy (French LNB Pro B) Division 2 Senior League

25. Ariel Hukporti, 2002, Melbourne (Australian NBL)

26. Ousmane Ndiaye, 2004, Zunder Palencia (Spanish ACB)

27. Matthew Strazel, 2002, AS Monaco (French LNB)

28. Toni Bilic, 2005, KK Cedevita Jr Zagreb (Croatian A-1)

29. Andrija Jelavic, 2004, KK Mega Bemax (Serbian KLS)

30. Alexandros Samodurov, 2005, Panathinaikos (Greek HEBA A1)

31. Pacome Dadiet, 2005, Ratiopharm Ulm (German BBL)

32. Jaylin Galloway, 2002, Sydney (Australian NBL)

33. Tomislav Ivisic, 2003, SC Derby (Montenegrin Prva A Liga)

34. Yannick Kraag, 2002, Joventut Baladona (Spanish ACB)

35. Mehmet Demirel, 2005, Anadolu Efes? (Turkish BSL)

36. Filip Jovic, 2005, OKK Beograd? (Serbian KLS)

37. Ruben Prey, 2005, Joventut Baladona (Spanish ACB)

38. Bogoljub Markovic, 2005, KK Mega Bemax (Serbian KLS)

39. Fedor Zugic, 2003, BG Goettingen (German BBL)

40. Florian Rijkers, 2005, Yoast United (Belgian/Dutch BNXT League)

41. Jan Zemljic, 2004, Helios Domzale (Slovenian SKL)

42. Mohammad Amini, 2005, AS Monaco (French LNB) Mostly Playing On U21 Youth Team

43. Mantas Rubstavicius, 2002, New Zealand (Australian NBL)

44. Nikola Manojlovic, 2002, KK Borac Cacak (Serbian KLS)

45. Seikou Sisoho, 2000, Ratiopharm Ulm (German BBL)

46. Noam Yaacov, 2004, ASVEL (French LNB)

47. Guillaume Grotzinger, 2004, Nancy (French LNB) Playing On U21 Youth Team

48. Taran Armstrong, 2002, Cairns (Australian NBL)

49. Clement Frisch, 2002, Nancy (French LNB)

50. AJ Johnson, 2004, Illawarra (Australian NBL)

51. Roko Prkacin, 2002, Gran Canaria (Spanish ACB)

52. Jibbe Sicking, 2004, ZZ Leiden (Belgian/Dutch BNXT League)

53. Sananda Fru, 2003, Lowen Braunschweig (German BBL)

54. Orri Gunnarsson, 2003, Allianz Swans Gmunden (Austrian A Bundesliga)

55. Dez Andras Tanoh, 2002, Szombathely (Hungarian NBIA)

56. Noam Dovrat, 2002, Hapoel Bank Yahav Jerusalem (Israeli BSL)

57. Michael Caicedo, 2003, Barca (Spanish ACB)

58. Mihailo Petrovic, 2003, UNSIGNED

59. Ege Demir, 2004, Tofas SC (Turkish BSL)

60. Zsombor Maronka, 2002, Neptunas (Lithuanian LKL)
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Post#23 » by Pokuokic » Tue Sep 26, 2023 9:47 am

Andrija Jelavic looks like a first round pick so far.
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Post#24 » by JazzP » Tue Sep 26, 2023 1:55 pm

Pokuokic wrote:Andrija Jelavic looks like a first round pick so far.


Oooh? I haven't seen any real updates since the end of last season, other than that he signed with Bemax.
I think that's a great situation for him and I had liked his potential as a prospect since his FIBA performance last summer.

But I don't think he finished last year with a ton of traction, unless I'm mistaken. I generally presume that he will be a starter on Bemax (since he already was one on Beograd last year) and I think it's a much better situation for his skillset, but I also don't want to take for granted the possibility that he might not get the same opportunities on a roster that is plenty deep with forward/center prospects.

I'll definitely cop to probably having him a bit low on this list, it does strike me as far more likely that I'll move him up rather than down once the KLS gets going, and I'm kinda questioning the fact that I have him below Strazel on this list, now (though I want to see what happens in Euroleague too, Strazel's counting stats still are weak but his ORtg/DRtg so far are WORLDS different from last year, he looks like he has a far steadier hand and I'd like to see how that holds up against Europe's "best").

I think that capability is definitely there but my (very very nonprofessional) impression is that Jelavic being slated as a first rounder right now is a bit optimistic, too.
But shoot, watch him go and be a core piece of that squad and prove he should be. I certainly don't mean to write it off. If he so much as just gets the same kind of playing time he got last year I think I'd have to pretty immediately put him somewhere probably alongside the likes of Klintman/Toohey/Flowers rounding out the top 10.
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Post#25 » by Pokuokic » Wed Sep 27, 2023 7:19 am

He killed it in the Super Cup with Topic, he had 21 points vs Partizan, 14 vs Cedevita (Eurocup team) and 15/10 vs Zadar, he will be playing ABA not KLS (way worse comp). Maybe early 2nd rounder is a better prediction. Mega is absurdly stacked with talent this year some of them won't even be able to show what they can do.

https://www.youtube.com/c/ABAligajtd/playlists

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Post#26 » by JazzP » Wed Sep 27, 2023 9:01 pm

Pokuokic wrote:He killed it in the Super Cup with Topic, he had 21 points vs Partizan, 14 vs Cedevita (Eurocup team) and 15/10 vs Zadar, he will be playing ABA not KLS (way worse comp). Maybe early 2nd rounder is a better prediction. Mega is absurdly stacked with talent this year some of them won't even be able to show what they can do.

https://www.youtube.com/c/ABAligajtd/playlists

People can watch the games free on youtube proper season starts in 2-3 days.


Yo, thank you. This site isn't my only reference but it is my main reference for some of these leagues out of the USA.
It looks like they have the KLS wrong, and I'm not sure the info that Eurobasket has is correct either.

I'll admit that this is really only the beginning of my second season of really following non-US basketball, and I think I'm still really only starting to get the general structure of all the different leagues. I think I'm still filling out some of the missing gaps as they get underway.

I've been going to the home websites of each of these leagues for info and updates, and I just went to see the KLS site yesterday. I don't even know what to think now, I'm not sure why Bemax is still listed as KLS here but I assume proper updates will happen after the season starts.
Though sure enough, it only has the ABA schedule actually posted to RealGM (and it's cool that Bemax will open against Cedevita Jr Zagreb and Toni Bilic).
Topic and Jelavic are indeed on loan to Bemax for this season though, right? They won't be playing for Beograd?
Is Manojlovic on loan to/from Vojvodina or is info stating that he is on Borac Cacak this year just wrong?

Shoot, there's a whole season left to be played, I'd be glad to see Jelavic be a first round pick. I'm trying to make a list that is balancing opportunity/potential the way I imagine NBA franchises are interested in. But it really doesn't hold much water when I'm still just guessing how much opportunity a prospect will have, if it even holds any water in situations where I know how much opportunity they have :lol: .
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Post#27 » by JazzP » Wed Sep 27, 2023 9:13 pm

Though-- even though it is only the 2nd year I'm following non-US basketball and perhaps it's silly for me to be writing lists up here with such a lack of expertise;

I have been following US basketball intensively for about 2 decades now, and I am an autistic person who loves basketball statistics.
Every NBA and NCAAD1 box score wasn't enough. There are a few leagues that I do barely keep up with, but I do follow most every one, every day (that they play).

I really don't know how much value any of my lists are, and I hesitate to try to write too too many opinions just because I don't want to bull**** and I'm not a scout. But I still feel like this is a nice place to share these semi-finalized lists I make whenever I choose to narrow all my notes and lists down and sort them out, with people who get similarly excited about basketball.

And it isn't like I wasn't on some page somewhere else on this site to begin with anyways.
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Post#28 » by Pokuokic » Wed Sep 27, 2023 9:13 pm

JazzP wrote:
Pokuokic wrote:He killed it in the Super Cup with Topic, he had 21 points vs Partizan, 14 vs Cedevita (Eurocup team) and 15/10 vs Zadar, he will be playing ABA not KLS (way worse comp). Maybe early 2nd rounder is a better prediction. Mega is absurdly stacked with talent this year some of them won't even be able to show what they can do.

https://www.youtube.com/c/ABAligajtd/playlists

People can watch the games free on youtube proper season starts in 2-3 days.


Yo, thank you. This site isn't my only reference but it is my main reference for some of these leagues out of the USA.
It looks like they have the KLS wrong, and I'm not sure the info that Eurobasket has is correct either.

I'll admit that this is really only the beginning of my second season of really following non-US basketball, and I think I'm still really only starting to get the general structure of all the different leagues. I think I'm still filling out some of the missing gaps as they get underway.

I've been going to the home websites of each of these leagues for info and updates, and I just went to see the KLS site yesterday. I don't even know what to think now, I'm not sure why Bemax is still listed as KLS here but I assume proper updates will happen after the season starts.
Though sure enough, it only has the ABA schedule actually posted to RealGM (and it's cool that Bemax will open against Cedevita Jr Zagreb and Toni Bilic).
Topic and Jelavic are indeed on loan to Bemax for this season though, right? They won't be playing for Beograd?
Is Manojlovic on loan to/from Vojvodina or is info stating that he is on Borac Cacak this year just wrong?

Shoot, there's a whole season left to be played, I'd be glad to see Jelavic be a first round pick. I'm trying to make a list that is balancing opportunity/potential the way I imagine NBA franchises are interested in. But it really doesn't hold much water when I'm still just guessing how much opportunity a prospect will have, if it even holds any water in situations where I know how much opportunity they have :lol: .

They play in the KLS super 8 at the end of the year which is very little games that's why they are listed as a KLS side (but they play way more games in the ABA), if you want to follow the KLS in terms of full games
https://tv.dscore.live/en-int/page/admiral-bet-kosarkaska-liga-srbije

Manojilovic moved from FMP to Cacak this offseason (both ABA teams who also play in the Supercup end of year). Topic is on loan from Red Star to Mega and Jelavic is I think playing full time in Mega I think Markovic (Bogo) will be playing for KK Beograd.

The big man rotation for Mega seems to be Plavisic/Jelavic/Jovic/Kovacevic. I think Bogo will eventually get a shot later in the year.

The KLS is a crapshow the best 5-6 Serbian teams who all play in the ABA don't join it until right at the end of the year where the top 2 KLS sides join those six for like a mini tournament.
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Post#29 » by JazzP » Wed Sep 27, 2023 9:34 pm

Pokuokic wrote:
JazzP wrote:
Pokuokic wrote:He killed it in the Super Cup with Topic, he had 21 points vs Partizan, 14 vs Cedevita (Eurocup team) and 15/10 vs Zadar, he will be playing ABA not KLS (way worse comp). Maybe early 2nd rounder is a better prediction. Mega is absurdly stacked with talent this year some of them won't even be able to show what they can do.

https://www.youtube.com/c/ABAligajtd/playlists

People can watch the games free on youtube proper season starts in 2-3 days.


Yo, thank you. This site isn't my only reference but it is my main reference for some of these leagues out of the USA.
It looks like they have the KLS wrong, and I'm not sure the info that Eurobasket has is correct either.

I'll admit that this is really only the beginning of my second season of really following non-US basketball, and I think I'm still really only starting to get the general structure of all the different leagues. I think I'm still filling out some of the missing gaps as they get underway.

I've been going to the home websites of each of these leagues for info and updates, and I just went to see the KLS site yesterday. I don't even know what to think now, I'm not sure why Bemax is still listed as KLS here but I assume proper updates will happen after the season starts.
Though sure enough, it only has the ABA schedule actually posted to RealGM (and it's cool that Bemax will open against Cedevita Jr Zagreb and Toni Bilic).
Topic and Jelavic are indeed on loan to Bemax for this season though, right? They won't be playing for Beograd?
Is Manojlovic on loan to/from Vojvodina or is info stating that he is on Borac Cacak this year just wrong?

Shoot, there's a whole season left to be played, I'd be glad to see Jelavic be a first round pick. I'm trying to make a list that is balancing opportunity/potential the way I imagine NBA franchises are interested in. But it really doesn't hold much water when I'm still just guessing how much opportunity a prospect will have, if it even holds any water in situations where I know how much opportunity they have :lol: .

They play in the KLS super 8 at the end of the year which is very little games that's why they are listed as a KLS side (but they play way more games in the ABA), if you want to follow the KLS in terms of full games
https://tv.dscore.live/en-int/page/admiral-bet-kosarkaska-liga-srbije

Manojilovic moved from FMP to Cacak this offseason (both ABA teams who also play in the Supercup end of year). Topic is on loan from Red Star to Mega and Jelavic is I think playing full time in Mega I think Markovic (Bogo) will be playing for KK Beograd.

The big man rotation for Mega seems to be Plavisic/Jelavic/Jovic/Kovacevic. I think Bogo will eventually get a shot later in the year.

The KLS is a crapshow the best 5-6 Serbian teams who all play in the ABA don't join it until right at the end of the year where the top 2 KLS sides join those six for like a mini tournament.



Ok thanks a ton. I suppose maybe KLS is out of date but they have Manojlovic on the Vojvodina roster

I think RealGM is the only one that has Markovic as being on Bemax. Huh.

And did you say that Jovic is in the Bemax big rotation??? That's Filip Jovic, right?
Sheeeeeesh.

So what... sorry if this is silly and/or obvious, but are Bemax and Beograd affiliate orgs?
Also, whatever did happen to KK Dynamic last season?? They had a bunch of prospects that were killing it and their team was doing great and then they just broke everyone up and like none of those prospects were able to keep it up with their new teams???

Dusan Radosavljevic, Vojin Medarevic... I think a few others? Ah well. Sorry for all the questions
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Post#30 » by Pokuokic » Thu Sep 28, 2023 7:51 am

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Ok thanks a ton. I suppose maybe KLS is out of date but they have Manojlovic on the Vojvodina roster

I think RealGM is the only one that has Markovic as being on Bemax. Huh.

And did you say that Jovic is in the Bemax big rotation??? That's Filip Jovic, right?
Sheeeeeesh.

So what... sorry if this is silly and/or obvious, but are Bemax and Beograd affiliate orgs?
Also, whatever did happen to KK Dynamic last season?? They had a bunch of prospects that were killing it and their team was doing great and then they just broke everyone up and like none of those prospects were able to keep it up with their new teams???

Dusan Radosavljevic, Vojin Medarevic... I think a few others? Ah well. Sorry for all the questions

All good for the questions

#In terms of Manojlovic I read earlier in the year he signed with Cacak and I don't think he's on Vojvodina because they just played a best of 3 series to get a wildcard into ABA 2 Liga and he was no where to be seen. There is a news story 2 months prior to the one I posted below saying he signed with Vojvodina but it looks like it fell through.
https://kkborac.rs/en/nikola-manojlovic-prvo-pojacanje-borca-mozzart-za-novu-sezonu/
(rough/quick translation Nikola Manojlovic is the first off-season signing for Borac (Cacak))

#Yes Filip Jovic in the preseason games was basically the back up PF/C and did really well other than some foul trouble, he's a sneaky prospect even if he's not really got a position (size of a SF/PF but plays C), he's got great toughness/motor and developing his shot he's a fan favourite type as well and can throw down a monster dunk.

# KK Beograd is the little brother club of Mega which blends some average domestic vets along with talented/super young Mega players who are not ready for the ABA.

#In terms of the KLS I don't watch to closely (mainly follow ABA/ABA2/ABAu19) other than if I really like a prospect (e.g this year Ognjen Radosic) but what occurs a lot of the time is talented players leave/picked up/promoted (e.g to Mega)/loan expired/cancelled and they are deep bench players on pretty stacked ABA teams (e.g happened to Petrovic in Cacak) trying to win rather than develop talent. The KLS in general pretty much has the majority of the talent siphoned out due to poor pay and bigger money everywhere else in Europe. The development system in Serbia for talented youngsters is terrible in terms of giving players chances unless they are guys like Topic and company.
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Post#31 » by JazzP » Thu Sep 28, 2023 4:42 pm

Pokuokic wrote:
JazzP wrote:
Pokuokic wrote:

Ok thanks a ton. I suppose maybe KLS is out of date but they have Manojlovic on the Vojvodina roster

I think RealGM is the only one that has Markovic as being on Bemax. Huh.

And did you say that Jovic is in the Bemax big rotation??? That's Filip Jovic, right?
Sheeeeeesh.

So what... sorry if this is silly and/or obvious, but are Bemax and Beograd affiliate orgs?
Also, whatever did happen to KK Dynamic last season?? They had a bunch of prospects that were killing it and their team was doing great and then they just broke everyone up and like none of those prospects were able to keep it up with their new teams???

Dusan Radosavljevic, Vojin Medarevic... I think a few others? Ah well. Sorry for all the questions

All good for the questions

#In terms of Manojlovic I read earlier in the year he signed with Cacak and I don't think he's on Vojvodina because they just played a best of 3 series to get a wildcard into ABA 2 Liga and he was no where to be seen. There is a news story 2 months prior to the one I posted below saying he signed with Vojvodina but it looks like it fell through.
https://kkborac.rs/en/nikola-manojlovic-prvo-pojacanje-borca-mozzart-za-novu-sezonu/
(rough/quick translation Nikola Manojlovic is the first off-season signing for Borac (Cacak))

#Yes Filip Jovic in the preseason games was basically the back up PF/C and did really well other than some foul trouble, he's a sneaky prospect even if he's not really got a position (size of a SF/PF but plays C), he's got great toughness/motor and developing his shot he's a fan favourite type as well and can throw down a monster dunk.

# KK Beograd is the little brother club of Mega which blends some average domestic vets along with talented/super young Mega players who are not ready for the ABA.

#In terms of the KLS I don't watch to closely (mainly follow ABA/ABA2/ABAu19) other than if I really like a prospect (e.g this year Ognjen Radosic) but what occurs a lot of the time is talented players leave/picked up/promoted (e.g to Mega)/loan expired/cancelled and they are deep bench players on pretty stacked ABA teams (e.g happened to Petrovic in Cacak) trying to win rather than develop talent. The KLS in general pretty much has the majority of the talent siphoned out due to poor pay and bigger money everywhere else in Europe. The development system in Serbia for talented youngsters is terrible in terms of giving players chances unless they are guys like Topic and company.


Oh man, I realize I had the wrong Cedevita, it is only Olimpija in the ABA? Darn. But cool, thanks very much for helping me out!
I'm excited for it to start tomorrow!!
And I'm gonna check out the Super Cup results right now-- I'm a bit surprised that RealGM didn't have those listed on the International leagues schedule.
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Post#32 » by JazzP » Mon Oct 2, 2023 3:25 pm

Ognjen Radosic does sure seem intriguing!! Thanks for the info Pokuokic!! And I appreciate your insight on Jelavic too, I think that was spot on.

Ok, with another week's worth of games and most leagues underway now, I decided to make an update to my list. I have not checked out the early results of the VTB league or Super Cup yet, so this may still be slightly incomplete as of yet, but I'll work that into the next one should it change my list. I figure I should say as much, though.

I may be overestimating France's prospect system. I don't think France is even quite in the inner circle of the most competitive leagues anymore (though I don't think they're far from it and I do think Monaco is still going to look like a top 5 team in Europe).
But I do think they still have one of the premier youth development programs/circuits. I want to try to offer a fair discount to the level of competition in leagues like LNB Pro B, but I happen to think they have a few rather exceptional prospects regardless.
I don't think any players currently mostly getting U21 league opportunities have a real chance unless they break into the senior team rotation, but there are a few that I think can do that, and garner NBA attention still.
But that's just a guess.


1. Nikola Topic, 2005, KK Mega Bemax (Adriatic ABA Superleague)
I have a new #1 on this list, and I mean that as no sleight to Sarr, who ESPN just declared a potential #1 overall pick in 2024. But I think that Topic is just another name added to the list of potential #1 overall picks (right now I think there are as many as 7 leading candidates: Topic and Sarr, Holland and Buzelis, and Collier/Edwards/Walter). To me Topic was not just the best prospect, but the best PLAYER at the ABA's preseason Super Cup, where Bemax looked strong. He averaged about 20/5/5 on 49/41/100% splits. Then he followed it up with a stellar opening to the season, albeit in a loss to Cedevita Olimpija. On the heels of his FIBA U20 Tournament MVP, he seems like the real deal.

2. Alexandre Sarr, 2005, Perth (Australian NBL)

3. Zaccharie Risacher, 2005, JL Bourg-en-Bresse (French LNB, EuroCup Superleague)

4. Tidjane Salaun, 2005, Cholet (French LNB, BCL Superleague)

5. Juan Nunez, 2004, Ratiopharm Ulm (German BBL, EuroCup Superleague)

6. Hansen Yang, 2005, Qingdao (Chinese CBA) season yet to begin

7. Andrija Jelavic, 2004, KK Mega Bemax (Adriatic ABA Superleague)

8. Melvin Ajinca, 2004, Saint-Quentin (French LNB)

9. Emre Tunca, 2005, Anadolu Efes (Turkish BSL, EuroLeague Superleague)
I didn't think Tunca was going to be on Anadolu Efes' senior roster, but he is and it seems he has a role at that. I believe he is a fairly prized prospect, and he began this season in the TBSL by showing why; in 14 minutes, he had 14 points (on 6/8 FG) with 2 rebounds and 3 assists. I think he was mostly considered a prospect for a future draft, but I have to imagine that if this opening game is to set the tone for the season ahead, that this timeframe must be reconsidered.

10. Alex Toohey, 2004, Sydney (Australian NBL)

11. Bobi Klintman, 2003, Cairns (Australian NBL)

12. Killian Malwaya, 2005, ALM Evreux (French LNB Pro B) Division 2 Senior League
Malwaya actually might be in a great situation in LNB Pro B. He is very much a work in progress, but I think this is the perfect level to challenge him and yet let him build on successes as well. He is starting the season with showing fairly consistent ability to lead his team and shows an impressive two-way skillset coming together.

13. Trentyn Flowers, 2005, Adelaide (Australian NBL)

14. Armel Traore, 2003, ADA Blois (French LNB)

15. Nikola Djurisic, 2004, KK Mega Bemax (Adriatic ABA Superleague)

16. Lucas Langarita, 2005, Casademont Zaragoza (Spanish ACB)

17. Ariel Hukporti, 2002, Melbourne (Australian NBL)

18. Mouhamed Faye, 2005, Reggio Emilia (Italian Serie A) season yet to begin

19. Eli John N'Diaye, 2004, Real Madrid (Spanish ACB, EuroLeague Superleague)

20. Johann Grünloh, 2005, SC Rasta Vechta (German BBL)

21. Tobias Jensen, 2004, Ratiopharm Ulm (German BBL, EuroCup Superleague)
I had seen Jensen listed on the Orange Academy (Ratiopharm B team) roster and I thought that he would not be on the main roster. But he is, he isn't getting a ton of playing time but he is in the rotation, and he has looked solid. I am impressed by the fact that he has yet to register a turnover; a remarkable development from last year, especially considering he seems to still be in a playmaking role when he is on the floor.

22. Lachlan Olbrich, 2003, Illawarra (Australian NBL)

23. Jaylin Galloway, 2002, Sydney (Australian NBL)

24. Tomislav Ivisic, 2003, SC Derby (Montenegrin Prva A Liga, Adriatic ABA Superleague)

25. Ilias Kamardine, 2003, JA Vichy (French LNB Pro B) Division 2 Senior League

26. Bogoljub Markovic, 2005, OKK Beograd (Serbian KLS)

27. Lucas Ugolin, 2002, CSP Limoges (French LNB)

28. Juan Fernandez, 2002, Rio Breogan (Spanish ACB, BCL Superleague)

29. Filip Jovic, 2005, KK Mega Bemax (Adriatic ABA Superleague)

30. Thijs de Ridder, 2003, Bilbao (Spanish ACB)

31. Ben Henshall, 2004, Perth (Australian NBL)

32. Ousmane N'Diaye, 2004, Zunder Palencia (Spanish ACB)

33. Roman Domon, 2005, Gravelines-Dunkerque (French LNB) Playing on U21 youth team

34. Noah Penda, 2005, JA Vichy (French LNB Pro B) Division 2 Senior League

35. Noam Yaacov, 2004, ASVEL (French LNB, EuroLeague Superleague)

36. Mantas Rubstavicius, 2002, New Zealand (Australian NBL) began season with (minor) injury, has not played

37. Lefteris Mantzoukas, 2003, Panathinaikos (Greek HEBA A1, EuroLeague Superleague)

38. Mehmet Demirel, 2005, Anadolu Efes (Turkish BSL, EuroLeague Superleague)

39. Alexandros Samodurov, 2005, Panathinaikos (Greek HEBA A1, EuroLeague Superleague)

40. Andras Tanoh Dez, 2002, Szombathely (Hungarian NBIA, BCL Superleague)

41. Sam Mennenga, 2001, Cairns (Australian NBL)

42. Fedor Zugic, 2003, BG Goettingen (German BBL)

43. Taran Armstrong, 2002, Cairns (Australian NBL)

44. Pacome Dadiet, 2005, Ratiopharm Ulm (German BBL, EuroCup Superleague)

45. Dominique Diomande, 2005, ADA Blois (French LNB) Mostly playing on U21 youth team

46. Joonas Riismaa, 2002, Enel Brindisi (Italian Serie A)

47. Roko Prkacin, 2002, Gran Canaria (Spanish ACB, EuroCup Superleague)

48. Toni Bilic, 2005, KK Cedevita Jr Zagreb (Croatian A-1)

49. Florian Rijkers, 2005, Yoast United (Belgian/Dutch BNXT League)

50. Lucas Beaufort, 2002, CSP Limoges (French LNB)

51. Guillaume Grotzinger, 2004, Nancy (French LNB) Playing on U21 youth team

52. Clement Frisch, 2002, Nancy (French LNB)

53. Len Schoormann, 2002, EWE Baskets Oldenburg (German BBL, BCL Superleague)

54. Orri Gunnarsson, 2003, Swanz Gmunden (Austrian A Bundesliga)

55. Robert Jurkovic, 2002, Krka Novo Mesto (Slovenian SKL, Adriatic ABA Superleague)

56. Mihailo Petrovic, 2003, OKK Beograd (Serbian KLS)

57. Mohammad Amini, 2005, AS Monaco (French LNB, EuroLeague Superleague) Mostly playing on U21 youth team
Amini sat out of the most recent AS Monaco U21 game. I was hoping that meant the senior team enjoyed the strong 3 minute sample size they got from him earlier this season, and were promoting him, but he did not appear in their next game against ASVEL. I haven't seen any news of injury or anything, but that doesn't mean that isn't what's happening either. I'm convinced that Amini is a strong prospect, but if he's going to remain in youth league (or perhaps even worse, not playing in either league), then I don't think there's much intrigue here for 2024. But I'm not going to take him off this list without proof that he won't get such opportunity, I still do think there's plenty of time for things to change, there is still nothing stopping Amini from being something akin to this year's Bilal Coulibaly story if virtually everything goes his way. All the same, it does seem like the pathways are a bit more clear for some of the other youth league standouts to work their way onto (much less deep) senior teams.

58. Gustav Knudsen, 2003, Bakken Bears (Danish Basketligaen)

59. Sananda Fru, 2003, Lowen Braunschweig (German BBL)

60. Ethan Burg, 2002, Bnei Herzelia
I'm not sure if Noam Dovrat is injured or just out of the rotation for Hapoel Jerusalem, but he did not play in their preseason Winners Cup tournament. But Ethan Burg, who has not really had any report as a prospect save for a rather unimpressive FIBA U20 tournament last year, played a prominent role on his own team in that tournament. It feels rather arbitrary that I replaced one Israeli league prospect with another, but I'm not particularly excited about the remaining available prospects not listed (at least in the early goings), and I do think there is plenty of opportunity for prospects in the Israeli BSL to still break into these rankings. I think Ron Zipser is a prospect with more of a prior body of work, and he also had a rather strong Winners Cup performance.
However, while Herzelia doesn't seem like a particularly strong team and Berg only had one game in that tournament, he started and played 30 minutes with an efficient 19 point contribution. I'll stay optimistic on the legitimacy of this performance until there's a reason not to be, but I do also understand that it's just one game.
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Re: 60 International Prospect Big Board Heading into 2024 

Post#33 » by sisibilio » Thu Oct 5, 2023 7:25 am

Lucas Langarita playing a lot early in the season, quite a bit at PG and very comfortable as such. Maybe he can become Calderon 2.0? :dontknow:
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The only downside is the 3 pt aren't falling so far (1/6 in the spanish league and 0/3 in FIBA Europe cup) but the mid range pull up is money.
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Re: 60 International Prospect Big Board Heading into 2024 

Post#34 » by Pokuokic » Thu Oct 5, 2023 11:17 am

sisibilio wrote:Lucas Langarita playing a lot early in the season, quite a bit at PG and very comfortable as such. Maybe he can become Calderon 2.0? :dontknow:
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The only downside is the 3 pt aren't falling so far (1/6 in the spanish league and 0/3 in FIBA Europe cup) but the mid range pull up is money.

I thought after Mara/Gonzalez he was Spain's best player at the Euro 18's
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Re: 60 International Prospect Big Board Heading into 2024 

Post#35 » by JazzP » Sat Oct 7, 2023 3:04 pm

sisibilio wrote:Lucas Langarita playing a lot early in the season, quite a bit at PG and very comfortable as such. Maybe he can become Calderon 2.0? :dontknow:
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The only downside is the 3 pt aren't falling so far (1/6 in the spanish league and 0/3 in FIBA Europe cup) but the mid range pull up is money.


Yeah! I noticed that he was getting more opportunity than essentially any other prospect in Spain, save for *maybe* Juan Fernandez (who is of course ~3 years older).

The Europe Cup hadn't started yet when I updated this last Sunday, and I'll be quick to disclose that I had no idea it existed by this time last week either, but I did see that first game that Zaragoza had, and Langarita had a great performance!!

I could be very wrong but he strikes me as a guy the NBA will see as capable but at this particular moment in time, lacking one definitive NBA level skill. But I don't watch much and I don't have a trained eye, if his midrange game is the advertisement, I buy it.

He strikes me as very clearly well ahead of the normal development curve, so he has been jumping up my list so far, but I will admit I've been a bit hesitant to put him in the "inner circle", even though he's getting enough playing opportunity to warrant it. I think Jose Calderon was one of the best passers in the league, at least for the year or two he was in his absolute prime. My very uneducated opinion is that Langarita is a plenty capable playmaker but I think he's got quite some work to do there to be Calderon 2.0, I think Langarita could stand to be a bit more efficient in general but I think that simply will come with experience. Langarita does have better positional size than Calderon.
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Re: 60 International Prospect Big Board Heading into 2024 

Post#36 » by JazzP » Sat Oct 7, 2023 3:09 pm

Pokuokic wrote:
sisibilio wrote:Lucas Langarita playing a lot early in the season, quite a bit at PG and very comfortable as such. Maybe he can become Calderon 2.0? :dontknow:
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The only downside is the 3 pt aren't falling so far (1/6 in the spanish league and 0/3 in FIBA Europe cup) but the mid range pull up is money.

I thought after Mara/Gonzalez he was Spain's best player at the Euro 18's


Same here and he was pretty darn clutch for them at the U19 World Cup too!
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Re: 60 International Prospect Big Board Heading into 2024 

Post#37 » by sisibilio » Sat Oct 7, 2023 9:27 pm

Calderon became a great distributor in time but he was never a very creative playmaker, much less when he was 18.
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Re: 60 International Prospect Big Board Heading into 2024 

Post#38 » by JazzP » Mon Oct 9, 2023 3:50 pm

Another week down, and another update!
I decided to remove all of the youth league players from my list. I had 4, all from the LNB U21 league; Roman Domon, Dominique Diomande, Guillaume Grotzinger, and Mohammad Amini. I think they are all pretty high ceiling prospects, and I think they could indeed return to this list later this year if they get opportunities (all except Roman Domon have already debuted in the senior LNB, but none have a regular role established yet).

But as more games get played, I want to rely more and more on what has happened and less on what I think WILL or CAN happen.

1. Nikola Topic, 2005, KK Mega Bemax (Adriatic ABA Superleague)

2. Alexandre Sarr, 2005, Perth (Australian NBL)

3. Zaccharie Risacher, 2005, JL Bourg-en-Bresse (French LNB, EuroCup Superleague)

4. Tidjane Salaun, 2005, Cholet (French LNB, BCL Superleague)
Salaun has really been struggling offensively, and I wonder if he grew a bit and is struggling to adjust his new trajectory, because I know that the scouting report on him touts a smooth looking shooting form. He was listed as 6'8"/6'9" last year and ESPN cites him as 6'10" now, I don't know if that's simply a conversion inconsistency or if there's anything to it. Either way, he is locked in defensively and is clearly a big part of Cholet's success in spite of his struggles. Cholet's last game against Monaco is an extreme version of this trend, to me-- Cholet did lose by 6, and Salaun was 0/10 from the floor, easily his worst offensive performance.
Yet he still had a positive +/- for Cholet and was *the only player on their team except for the last guy off the bench to do so*. I know that +/- is a funky stat and doesn't tell the whole story, but I think it is impossible to assert that Salaun was quite the detriment to his team that his scoring attempts would indicate.
And of course, he's had better offensive days than that, too.

5. Juan Nunez, 2004, Ratiopharm Ulm (German BBL, EuroCup Superleague)
Ratiopharm Ulm fairly decisively beat ALBA Berlin (One of Germany's 2 Euroleague representatives) last week. This team is more than just a youth showcase, they seem really good, and Juan Nunez is pretty clearly the team's leader and star to me. He notched 17 points and 10 assists against ALBA Berlin, perhaps his best game so far this season.

6. Bobi Klintman, 2003, Cairns (Australian NBL)

7. Hansen Yang, 2005, Qingdao (Chinese CBA) season yet to begin
I don't see Yang in the 2024 discussion much, and I get it. I think the NBA still does feel like a distant future for him. I still think it's reasonably likely that he'll have plenty of opportunity to make a case as a valuable draft-and-stash (it was enough for Yannick Nzosa in 2022 and I think Yang quite frankly presents a much higher ceiling still). I'm eager to see what his role looks like when his season starts at the end of this week, and I really want to see how the media gauges his unbelievable potential against his likely struggles learning professional play. But Yang is an interesting case to me because while I want to defer more to production rather than projection, I think Yang's draft stock will very much be tied to NBA scouts' projections (the idea of what can be above what currently is) more than most other prospects.

8. Mouhamed Faye, 2005, Reggio Emilia (Italian Serie A)
As I hoped, Faye is starting for Reggio Emilia, and he is earning it. In 2 games, he seems to have a solid complementary role; about 20 minutes a game, with about 5/6 shots a game. And while he isn't setting the league on fire or anything, he is fulfilling that role very well for a team that started strong, even flexing a strong sense of offensive awareness by connecting on 4 assists in his debut. I think this is pretty remarkable for one of the youngest prospects who is just beginning their professional career in one of the hardest leagues around.
His limited "old school big" skillset might put a damper on his potential, especially since he isn't dropping 20/10 games on guys like he did in youth competitions; but there is no way that a guy with a nearly ideal NBA frame, what seems to be remarkable game sense, and a lot of time still to develop his skills isn't an immediate NBA prospect to some capacity.

9. Nikola Djurisic, 2004, KK Mega Bemax (Adriatic ABA Superleague)

10. Melvin Ajinca, 2004, Saint-Quentin (French LNB)

11. Andrija Jelavic, 2004, KK Mega Bemax (Adriatic ABA Superleague)

12. Lucas Langarita, 2005, Casademont Zaragoza (Spanish ACB, FIBA Europe Cup Superleague)

13. Johann Grünloh, 2005, SC Rasta Vechta (German BBL)

14. Killian Malwaya, 2005, ALM Evreux (French LNB Pro B) DIvision 2 Senior League

15. Jaylin Galloway, 2002, Sydney (Australian NBL)

16. Ariel Hukporti, 2002, Melbourne (Australian NBL)

17. Armel Traore, 2003, ADA Blois (French LNB}

18. Bogoljub Markovic, 2005, OKK Beograd (Serbian KLS)
Markovic was the MVP for Round 1 of the Serbian KLS, averaging 23 ppg/12 rpg/3 apg in the 2 games he played. There are still a few things for him to work on, but Mega Bemax opting to let Markovic remain on OKK Beograd might have actually been a bit of a blessing in disguise, as he isn't bottlenecked by frontcourt competition here.

19. Filip Malesevic, 2005, KK Dynamic (Serbian KLS)
I could be overstating Malesevic as a 2024 prospect, as his playing time seems far from guaranteed in the KLS this year. However, he did get some actual floortime in KK Dynamic's 2nd game, and I can't help but feel like he proved why he should be considered a tantalizing prospect. The 7'2" Malesevic is an imposing shot blocker and has started the season nailing jumpers. He is young and could stand to add a few pounds, as is the case with most teenagers who are that tall. I think realistically, 2024 is probably not the year for Malesevic, but I don't want to discard the possibility that it absolutely COULD be, I don't think anything disqualifies him except for a current lack of notoriety.

20. Juan Fernandez, 2002, Rio Breogan (Spanish ACB, BCL Superleague)

21. Alex Toohey, 2004, Sydney (Australian NBL)

22. Eli John N'Diaye, 2004, Real Madrid (Spanish ACB, EuroLeague Superleague)

23. Pacome Dadiet, 2005, Ratiopharm Ulm (German BBL, EuroCup Superleague)

24. Tomislav Ivisic, 2003, SC Derby (Montenegrin Prva A Liga, Adriatic ABA Superleague)

25. Lachlan Olbrich, 2003, Illawarra (Australian NBL)

26. Lucas Ugolin, 2002, CSP Limoges (French LNB)

27. Filip Jovic, 2005, KK Mega Bemax (Adriatic ABA Superleague)

28. Len Schoormann, 2002, EWE Baskets Oldenburg (German BBL, BCL Superleague)

29. Mohamed Diawara, 2005, Paris (French LNB, EuroCup Superleague)

30. Musa Sagnia, 2003, BAXI Manresa (Spanish ACB)

31. Ilias Kamardine, 2003, JA Vichy (French LNB Pro B) Division 2 Senior League

32. Trentyn Flowers, 2005, Adelaide (Australian NBL)

33. Tobias Jensen, 2004, Ratiopharm Ulm (German BBL, EuroCup Superleague)

34. Emre Tunca, 2005, Anadolu Efes (Turkish BSL, EuroLeague Superleague)
Tunca did not play in Anadolu Efes' EuroLeague game, and he really struggled in their 2nd BSL game. I do maintain the belief that he is an extremely talented prospect, but I think it does go to show why he wasn't initially projected to be a part of the roster yet this year. I'm not really sure quite where to place Tunca yet, but I think a place adjacent to guys like Flowers, Jensen, and Yaacov feels appropriate for now. It could certainly be an overreaction though.

35. Noam Yaacov, 2004, ASVEL (French LNB, EuroLeague Superleague)

36. Toni Bilic, 2005, KK Cedevita Jr Zagreb (Croatian A-1)

37. Ivan Perasovic, 2002, KK Cibona (Croatian A-1, Adriatic ABA Superleague)

38. Ben Henshall, 2004, Perth (Australian NBL)

39. Noah Sorensen, 2003, Bakken (Danish Basketligaen, FIBA Europe Cup Superleague)

40. Andras Tanoh Dez, 2002, Szombathely (Hungarian NBIA, BCL Superleague)

41. Ege Demir, 2004, Tofas SC (Turkish BSL, BCL Superleague)

42. Mantas Rubstavicius, 2002, New Zealand (Australian NBL) began season with (minor) injury, has not played

43. Michail Sprintzios, 2005, GS Lavrio (Greek HEBA A1)

44. Noah Penda, 2005, JA Vichy (French LNB Pro B) Division 2 Senior League

45. Matthew Strazel, 2002, AS Monaco (French LNB, EuroLeague Superleague)

46. Thijs de Ridder, 2003, Bilbao (Spanish ACB, FIBA Europe Cup Superleague)

47. Lefteris Mantzoukas, 2003, Panathinaikos (Greek HEBA A1, EuroLeague Superleague)

48. Elias Baggette, 2002, HARKO Merlins Crailsheim (German BBL)

49. Florian Rijkers, 2005, Yoast United (Belgian/Dutch BNXT League)

50. Gustav Knudsen, 2003, Bakken (Danish Basketligaen, FIBA Europe Cup Superleague)

51. Oshean Brathwaite, 2002, Academie Limburg (Belgian/Dutch BNXT League)
Brathwaite is probably too small to play in the NBA. I don't think he's shown enough offensive capability even against the smaller guards in his league to stay above water in an environment like the NBA. However, his stamina, defense, and leadership are absolutely commendable. He is the catalyst behind his team's surprising early strong start, keeping pace in the league with the Limburg United club that I believe they are affiliated with. I think he merits attention, at the very least.

52. Mihailo Petrovic, 2003, OKK Beograd (Serbian KLS)
Petrovic did not play in Beograd's 2nd game, and I'm not sure what his current situation is. However, it seems as though his presence was missed.

53. Joonas Riismaa, 2002, Enel Brindisi (Italian Serie A, FIBA Europe Cup Superleague)

54. Orri Gunnarsson, 2003, Swanz Gmunden (Austrian A Bundesliga)

55. Robert Jurkovic, 2002, Krka Novo Mesto (Slovenian SKL, Adriatic ABA Superleague)

56. Brice Dessert, 2003, ADA Blois (French LNB)

57. Ethan Burg, 2002, Bnei Herzelia (Israeli BSL, FIBA Europe Cup Superleague)

58. Ozgur Cengiz, 2005, Tofas SC (Turkish BSL, BCL Superleague)

59. Yannick Kraag, 2002, Joventut Baladona (Spanish ACB, EuroCup Superleague)

60. Sananda Fru, 2003, Lowen Braunschweig (German BBL)
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Re: 60 International Prospect Big Board Heading into 2024 

Post#39 » by JazzP » Mon Oct 16, 2023 4:33 pm

I don't have too much to write about individual prospects this week, and I think the week ahead will be far more significant than the one that just passed. I decided to write a few notes here at the top and then just write the list out; I don't know which format I'll stick with.

I'm sad that Zaragoza has opted not to put Langarita on the floor much the past few games. I noticed that Palencia stopped playing Ousmane N'Diaye and I made a rather snap decision to drop him from my list on the assumption that he simply isn't quite ready yet.
I think Langarita's situation might wind up being similar, but I'm not convinced that's quite the case either; he is still getting a few sparse minutes and his team also will play in an international league as well; with a bit of deference to what seems to be the strongest national league outside of the NBA, Langarita can still show out via the Europe Cup.

It's nice to see Trentyn Flowers have a breakout game, nationally. It was kind of a shame to see the NBA-NBL preseason games, they both were fairly one sided and Bobi Klintman in particular really struggled, which puts a damper on the torrid start he's had in the NBL. But it's just one game, and it was fully an exhibition game at that. Is Jaylin Galloway 2024 draft eligible??? I think under the old rules, he would have become auto-eligible in 2022, but that's also the year that I believe the eligibility rules changed, isn't it? I've seen sources say that he was in the 2022 draft (such as RealGM, although he is not amongst the list of undrafted players in their 2022 draft list either), but I've seen other sources say he is indeed a 2024 candidate. He did apparently play in Summer League this year, so I'm inclined to think he isn't actually eligible, but I still have him listed (as of now) and I'm intrigued by the mystery of the situation.

The Chinese CBA is set to start later this week, and the Israeli BSL is scheduled to start/resume next week (only the season opening game had been played). I have Hansen Yang still very high based on potential and the legitimate chance he might have playing time, but I do think he might be set to drop once the season gets underway and hope turns into reality. I'm very eager to find out, though. I don't think Israel has any standout prospects in particular, and even their youth teams generally seem to have had a rather egalitarian playstyle, so it is hard for a box score junkie to parse who might draw NBA interest. However the national teams have shown out pretty strong in FIBA competition, so I am excited to see who solidifies their candidacy once that gets underway, I would be surprised if nobody does.

Ok, now here's where I'm at with the list:

1. Nikola Topic, 2005, KK Mega Bemax (Adriatic ABA Superleague)

2. Alexandre Sarr, 2005, Perth (Australian NBL)

3. Zaccharie Risacher, 2005, JL Bourg-en-Bresse (French LNB, EuroCup Superleague)

4. Hansen Yang, 2005, Qingdao (Chinese CBA) season yet to begin

5. Tidjane Salaun, 2005, Cholet (French LNB, BCL Superleague)

6. Juan Nunez, 2004, Ratiopharm Ulm (German BBL, EuroCup Superleague)

7. Johann Grünloh, 2005, SC Rasta Vechta (German BBL)

8. Mouhamed Faye, 2005, Reggio Emilia (Italian Serie A)

9. Bobi Klintman, 2003, Cairns (Australian NBL)

10. Nikola Djurisic, 2004, KK Mega Bemax (Adriatic ABA Superleague)

11. Andrija Jelavic, 2004, KK Mega Bemax (Adriatic ABA Superleague)

12. Melvin Ajinca, 2004, Saint-Quentin (French LNB)

13. Juan Fernandez, 2002, Rio Breogan (Spanish ACB, BCL Superleague)

14. Alex Toohey, 2004, Sydney (Australian NBL)

15. Ariel Hukporti, 2002, Melbourne (Australian NBL)

16. Jaylin Galloway, 2002, Sydney (Australian NBL)

17. Emre Tunca, 2005, Anadolu Efes (Turkish BSL, EuroLeague Superleague)

18. Lucas Langarita, 2005, Casademont Zaragoza (Spanish ACB, FIBA Europe Cup Superleague)

19. Trentyn Flowers, 2005, Adelaide (Australian NBL)

20. Armel Traore, 2003, ADA Blois (French LNB)

21. Nikola Saranovic, 2003, FMP Beograd (Adriatic ABA Superleague)

22. Pacome Dadiet, 2005, Ratiopharm Ulm (German BBL, EuroCup Superleague)

23. Filip Malesevic, 2005, KK Dynamic (Serbian KLS)

24. Bogoljub Markovic, 2005, OKK Beograd (Serbian KLS)

25. Ege Demir, 2004, Tofas SC (Turkish BSL, BCL Superleague)

26. Musa Sagnia, 2003, BAXI Manresa (Spanish ACB)

27. Quinn Ellis, 2003, Dolomiti Energia Trento (Italian Serie A, EuroCup Superleague)

28. Luka Bogavac, 2003, SC Derby (Adriatic ABA Superleague)

29. Eli John N'Diaye, 2004, Read Madrid (Spanish ACB, EuroLeague Superleague)

30. Ilias Kamardine, 2003, JA Vichy (French LNB Pro B) Division 2 Senior League

31. Tomislav Ivisic, 2003, SC Derby (Adriatic ABA Superleague)

32. Lefteris Mantzoukas, 2003, Panathinaikos (Greek HEBA A1, EuroLeague Superleague)

33. Killian Malwaya, 2005, ALM Evreaux (French LNB Pro B) Division 2 Senior League

34. Luka Scuka, 2002, KK Cedevita Olimpija Ljubljana (Adriatic ABA Superleague, EuroCup Superleague)

35. Len Schoormann, 2002, EWE Baskets Oldenburg (German BBL, BCL Superleague)

36. Noah Penda, 2005, JA Vichy (French LNB Pro B) Division 2 Senior League

37. Orri Gunnarsson, 2003, Swanz Gmunden (Austrian A Bundesliga)

38. Lucas Ugolin, 2002, CSP Limoges (French LNB)

39. Lachlan Olbrich, 2003, Illawarra (Australian NBL)

40. Filip Jovic, 2005, KK Mega Bemax (Adriatic ABA Superleague)

41. Ivan Perasovic, 2002, KK Cibona (Croatian A-1, Adriatic ABA Superleague)

42. Andras Tanoh Dez, 2002, Szombathely (Hungarian NBIA, BCL Superleague)

43. Brice Dessert, 2003, ADA Blois (French LNB)

44. Mateo Perez, 2002, Union de Formosa (Argentinian Liga A)

45. Tomislav Buljan, 2002, KK Cibona (Croatian A-1, Adriatic ABA Superleague)

46. Ozgur Cengiz, 2005, Tofas SC (Turkish BSL, BCL Superleague)

47. Michail Sprintzios, 2005, GS Lavrio (Greek HEBA A1)

48. Tobias Jensen, 2004, Ratiopharm Ulm (German BBL, EuroCup Superleague)

49. Oshean Brathwaite, 2002, Academie Limburg (Belgian/Dutch BNXT League)

50. Mantas Rubstavicius, 2002, New Zealand (Australian NBL) began season with injury, has not played

51. Gustav Knudsen, 2003, Bakken (Danish Basketligaen, FIBA Europe Cup Superleague)

52. Noah Sorensen, 2003, Bakken (Danish Basketligaen, FIBA Europe Cup Superleague)

53. Zacharie Perrin, 2004, Antibes (French LNB Pro B) Division 2 Senior League

54. Elias Baggette, 2002, HARKO Merlins Crailsheim (German BBL)

55. Mihailo Petrovic, 2003, OKK Beograd (Serbian KLS)

56. Ethan Burg, 2002, Bnei Herzelia (Israeli BSL, FIBA Europe Cup Superleague)

57. Robert Jurkovic, 2002, Krka Novo Mesto (Slovenian SKL, Adriatic ABA Superleague)

58. Ben Henshall, 2004, Perth (Australian NBL)

59. Samet Yigitoglu, 2004, Besiktas Icrypex (Turkish BSL, EuroCup Superleague)

60. Matthew Strazel, 2002, AS Monaco (French LNB, EuroLeague Superleague)
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Re: 60 International Prospect Big Board Heading into 2024 

Post#40 » by JazzP » Mon Oct 23, 2023 3:01 pm

I think once the NBA and NCAA seasons get underway, I probably won't keep this as a weekly update, but we'll see! I do think my impressions are starting to settle down a bit, I do make some snap decisions in the moment but as this season's body of work gets bigger, I think there's a bit less movement.

The Chinese CBA has officially started, but Hansen Yang's Qingdao team has yet to play a regular season game. However, I am very pleased in how the preseason games looked-- Qingdao won all 3 of their contests, and Yang was their starting center in each one.
Through those games, he averaged: 10.3 ppg, 8.7 rpg, 4.7 apg, .7 spg, 1.7 bpg, 2.7 topg, on 59% FG (16/27) and 50% 3PT (1/2).
Preseason is a different thing from the regular season, so I'd like to see how that holds up in the real gauntlet; but I feel WAY better about listing Yang as a top 5 international prospect for 2024. I do think he'll be exciting.

I think I might've been slow to get behind Bogoljub Markovic's potential as a 2024 prospect. I am taking to heart the idea that the KLS, as well as a few of the other Adriatic national leagues, are sort of a subdivision for the premier competition that is the ABA. However, the production that Markovic has shown so far in the KLS cannot be ignored. He could probably still stand to work on his consistency and defense, but his offensive capability is pretty insane. His efficiency by usage is wild, he is shooting 3s often and well, and even showing a bit of a developing playmaking game. I think he's quickly made it evident that he is a clear NBA prospect regardless of whether or not he has the audition stage of the ABA.

It's nice to see Quinn Ellis' growth this season. I'm impressed by how he's stepped up as what strikes me as the leader of his team (although to be fair, it's not exactly a good team at the moment). I could be overestimating his prospect value, but I do think he's been consistently pretty good in both Italy's Serie A and also in EuroCup.

1. Nikola Topic, 2005, KK Mega Bemax (Adriatic ABA Superleague)

2. Zaccharie Risacher, 2005, JL Bourg-en-Bresse (French LNB, EuroCup Superleague)

3. Alexandre Sarr, 2005, Perth (Australian NBL)

4. Hansen Yang, 2005, Qingdao (Chinese CBA) season yet to begin

5. Tidjane Salaun, 2005, Cholet (French LNB, BCL Superleague)

6. Bogoljub Markovic, 2005, OKK Beograd (Serbian KLS)

7. Juan Nunez, 2004, Ratiopharm Ulm (German BBL, EuroCup Superleague) injured

8. Johann Grünloh, 2005, SC Rasta Vechta (German BBL)

9. Mouhamed Faye, 2005, Reggio Emilia (Italian Serie A)

10. Bobi Klintman, 2003, Cairns (Australian NBL)

11. Ariel Hukporti, 2002, Melbourne (Australian NBL)

12. Alex Toohey, 2004, Sydney (Australian NBL)

13. Quinn Ellis, 2003, Dolomiti Energia Trento (Italian Serie A, EuroCup Superleague)

14. Armel Traore, 2003, ADA Blois (French LNB)

15. Ege Demir, 2004, Tofas SC (Turkish BSL, BCL Superleague)

16. Melvin Ajinca, 2004, Saint-Quentin (French LNB)

17. Emre Tunca, 2005, Anadolu Efes (Turkish BSL, EuroLeague Superleague)

18. Lucas Langarita, 2005, Casademont Zaragoza (Spanish ACB, FIBA Europe Cup Superleague)

19. Andrija Jelavic, 2004, KK Mega Bemax (Adriatic ABA Superleague)

20. Pacome Dadiet, 2005, Ratiopharm Ulm (German BBL, EuroCup Superleague)

21. Killian Malwaya, 2005, ALM Evreaux (French LNB Pro B) Division 2 Senior League

22. Nikola Djurisic, 2004, KK Mega Bemax (Adriatic ABA Superleague)

23. Eli John N'Diaye, 2004, Real Madrid (Spanish ACB, EuroLeague Superleague)

24. Juan Fernandez, 2002, Rio Breogan (Spanish ACB, BCL Superleague)

25. Lefteris Mantzoukas, 2003, Panathinaikos (Greek HEBA A1, EuroLeague Superleague)

26. Tomislav Ivisic, 2003, SC Derby (Adriatic ABA Superleague) DNP last game -- injured?

27. Ousmane Ndiaye, 2004, Zunder Palencia (Spanish ACB)

28. Filip Malesevic, 2005, KK Dynamic (Serbian KLS)

29. Trentyn Flowers, 2005, Adelaide (Australian NBL)

30. Len Schoormann, 2002, EWE Baskets Oldenburg (German BBL, BCL Superleague)

31. Musa Sagnia, 2003, BAXI Manresa (Spanish ACB)

32. Luka Scuka, 2002, KK Cedevita Olimpija Ljubljana (Adriatic ABA Superleague, EuroCup Superleague)

33. Nikola Saranovic, 2003, FMP Beograd (Adriatic ABA Superleague)

34. Noah Penda, 2005, JA Vichy (French LNB Pro B) Division 2 Senior League

35. Yannick Kraag, 2002, Joventut Baladona (Spanish ACB, EuroCup Superleague)

36. Lucas Ugolin, 2002, CSP Limoges (French LNB)

37. Luka Bogavac, 2003, SC Derby (Adriatic ABA Superleague)

38. Filip Jovic, 2005, KK Mega Bemax (Adriatic ABA Superleague)

39. Ilias Kamardine, 2003, JA Vichy (French LNB Pro B) Division 2 Senior League

40. Tobias Jensen, 2004, Ratiopharm Ulm (German BBL, EuroCup Superleague)

41. Tomislav Buljan, 2002, KK Cibona (Croatian A-1, Adriatic ABA Superleague)

42. Brice Dessert, 2003, ADA Blois (French LNB)

43. Ozgur Cengiz, 2005, Tofas SC (Turkish BSL, BCL Superleague)

44. Ivan Perasovic, 2002, KK Cibona (Croatian A-1, Adriatic ABA Superleague)

45. Omiros Netzipoglou, 2002, AEK Betsson (Greek HEBA A1, BCL Superleague)

46. Orri Gunnarsson, 2003, Swanz Gmunden (Austrian A Bundesliga)

47. Michail Sprintzios, 2005, GS Lavrio (Greek HEBA A1)

48. Zach Harvey, 2001, KK Zdravlje Leskovac (Serbian KLS)

49. Gustav Knudsen, 2003, Bakken (Danish Basketligaen, FIBA Europe Cup Superleague)

50. Fedor Zugic, 2003, BG Goettingen (German BBL, FIBA Europe Cup Superleague)

51. Mateo Perez, 2002, Union de Formosa (Argentinian Liga A)

52. Mihailo Petrovic, 2003, OKK Beograd (Serbian KLS) DNP last game -- injured?

53. Robert Jurkovic, 2002, Krka Novo Mesto (Slovenian SKL, Adriatic ABA Superleague)

54. Joonas Riismaa, 2002, Enel Brindisi (Italian Serie A, FIBA Europe Cup Superleague)

55. Andras Tanoh Dez, 2002, Szombathely (Hungarian NBIA, BCL Superleague)

56. Lachlan Olbrich 2003, Illawarra (Australian NBL)

57. Mantas Rubstavicius, 2002, New Zealand (Australian NBL)

58. Elias Baggette, 2002, HAKRO Merlins Crailsheim (German BBL)

59. Samet Yigitoglu, 2004, Besiktas Icrypex (Turkish BSL, EuroCup Superleague)

60. Oshean Brathwaite, 2002, Academie Limburg (Belgian/Dutch BNXT League)

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