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DreamTeam09 wrote:I think CP3 goes back to phx on a minimum & becomes their starting PG & PHx runs it back.
I think Klay stays and GSW shops Wiggins
I think philly misses out on PG or LBJ & I really don't know what they do with their capspace.
Where on earth does Tobias Harris ends up? who pays him this summer?
DreamTeam09 wrote:I think CP3 goes back to phx on a minimum & becomes their starting PG & PHx runs it back.
I think Klay stays and GSW shops Wiggins
I think philly misses out on PG or LBJ & I really don't know what they do with their capspace.
Where on earth does Tobias Harris ends up? who pays him this summer?
Asif16 wrote:DreamTeam09 wrote:I think CP3 goes back to phx on a minimum & becomes their starting PG & PHx runs it back.
I think Klay stays and GSW shops Wiggins
I think philly misses out on PG or LBJ & I really don't know what they do with their capspace.
Where on earth does Tobias Harris ends up? who pays him this summer?
Can totally see Detroit offering the bag. Ownership wants to win now.
I can also see the Orlando Magic potentially
JB7 wrote:DreamTeam09 wrote:I think CP3 goes back to phx on a minimum & becomes their starting PG & PHx runs it back.
I think Klay stays and GSW shops Wiggins
I think philly misses out on PG or LBJ & I really don't know what they do with their capspace.
Where on earth does Tobias Harris ends up? who pays him this summer?
If LBJ stays in LA, I could actually see CP3 join the Lakers.
Dalek wrote:ontnut wrote:JB7 wrote:
OKC actually makes a lot of sense for KD. Can go back, and hopefully appease the fans that were upset with him leaving the first time, like LeBron in Cleveland. He just wouldn't be the #1 option there, and would he be able to handle that?
He's not the #1 option in PHX and he's complaining. Though to be fair, being a #2 to a legit MVP candidate is probably more tolerable than being #2 to Booker. They're also a much more balanced team.
While in theory I think it would work, I don't think Presti wants anything to do with KD at this point in his career. Their young core seems to work very well together and throwing in a potentially disgruntled KD, and shipping out multiple parts of their core might screw everything up .
I hate that idea. OKC is a number one seed the way they are and don't really need to take a big swing with an old player. If we have learned anything about these playoffs, the veteran guys (other than Bron) wear down by the playoffs.
6ixpessant wrote:I feel sorry for whoever takes on Trae.
LoveMyRaps wrote:6ixpessant wrote:I feel sorry for whoever takes on Trae.
Why? He's still a really good offensive player - elite shooter and playmaker.
He'd be PERFECT fit on the Spurs.
Wemby and Vassell can cover Trae's defensive lapses.
Keldon Johnson + Tre Jones + Graham/Collins + Draft Pick(s) for Trae
JB7 wrote:Dalek wrote:ontnut wrote:He's not the #1 option in PHX and he's complaining. Though to be fair, being a #2 to a legit MVP candidate is probably more tolerable than being #2 to Booker. They're also a much more balanced team.
While in theory I think it would work, I don't think Presti wants anything to do with KD at this point in his career. Their young core seems to work very well together and throwing in a potentially disgruntled KD, and shipping out multiple parts of their core might screw everything up .
I hate that idea. OKC is a number one seed the way they are and don't really need to take a big swing with an old player. If we have learned anything about these playoffs, the veteran guys (other than Bron) wear down by the playoffs.
It is about trying to maximize the window of opportunity for them to win before their core 3 eat up all the salary cap flex.
JB7 wrote:bluerap23 wrote:Original topic was to project where some of these guys may land or interesting destinations for them. I’ll get the ball rolling.
KD to OKC for Giddey, Wallace and picks
OKC actually makes a lot of sense for KD. Can go back, and hopefully appease the fans that were upset with him leaving the first time, like LeBron in Cleveland. He just wouldn't be the #1 option there, and would he be able to handle that?
ontnut wrote:JB7 wrote:Dalek wrote:
I hate that idea. OKC is a number one seed the way they are and don't really need to take a big swing with an old player. If we have learned anything about these playoffs, the veteran guys (other than Bron) wear down by the playoffs.
It is about trying to maximize the window of opportunity for them to win before their core 3 eat up all the salary cap flex.
OKC just doesn't have the contracts to make it work.
Dort 16.5, Giddey 8.3, Kenrich 6.6, Cason 5.5, Dieng 5 mil. That's still only about $42mil in contracts. Durant alone is $51m. They'd have to sign and trade Hayward (min 3 years) to make up the difference, but assuming they don't trade ALL 5 of those guys named, the contract they'd need to sign Hayward to would be deemed a bad contract (he's worth around $15-16m.) I'm also assuming they'd be hesitant to trade Dort since he's their primary guard/wing defender. They obviously have the picks to get it done...(holy sh*t OKC has 35 picks between now and 2030...holy moly, that's an average of 5 a year lol, meanwhile PHX has 2. TWO PICKS in 5 years). And no, OKC has zero Trade exceptions.
The trade would be:
Giddey, K Williams, Wallace, Dieng, and a S&T Hayward at $75m/3y, plus 3 1st rounders of various quality for Durant.
If the trade was just the 4 players and picks, it might be a fair deal seeing as Giddy, Wallace and Dieng are all lottery picks, it's the equivalent of 6 1st rounders going out for Durant. But that Hayward deal that they would NEED to include, is UGLY. That's probably worth at least another 1st to take on, if not 2. Would OKC give up 3-5 1st rounders plus Giddey, K Williams, Wallace, Dieng? Is that even worth it?
The other option would be to include Dort and a S&T Hayward at fair value $45m/3y, and keep one of Kenrich/Cason/Dieng.
PHX traded Mikal Bridges, Cam Johnson, 4 first-round draft picks and a 2028 first-round pick swap to get Durant, that's about 6.5 1st rounders worth of value.
I'm not sure how either team values the various OKC assets, but it does seem like a complete gut of their depth.
Merit wrote:Ackshun wrote:Merit wrote:
Our FO has one of the best in the game in Alex McKechnie. We need shot creation and scoring. If he comes at a discounted rate, now is the time to take action.
I like Ingram as a player but I don’t see the fit. Add the contract extension likely north of 35 mill and it doesn’t make any sense to me. Especially giving up assets too, which is already very limited.
This sounds like..let’s get a good player for the sake of getting a good player. It handcuffs us financially moving forward and Ingram is not the missing piece to a contender. His salary will limit us finding those pieces.
Obi Toppin and Kris Dunn. Full it out with our 3 draft picks and I’m good for another year of development.
I’m open to any and all options to improve our team this offseason and moving forward. If Ingram isn’t deemed worthy by the FO - so be it. I’m biased in favour of reclamation projects, solid ROI and cool storylines, hence wiggins.
Ingram has the potential for reclamation due to injury, and may be undervalued after a playoff loss so meets 2 out of the 3 criteria above. If I were New Orleans, I’d be looking to move on from Zion instead and rebuild around the youth they have - including Ingram. Speaking of which, I would move our lotto first, Brown, and the expiring contracts of Boucher and McDaniels for Zion. Zion would meet 3 of the 3 above given the huge potential upside and equally huge potential of flopping. He’s also got star power and thus the storyline as well.
Obi Toppin is meh. Kris Dunn is a solid backup pg with elite defensive stats and an inability to shoot. Not averse to that idea at the right price. If we keep our picks and draft a backup PG I’m good too.
ontnut wrote:JB7 wrote:Dalek wrote:
I hate that idea. OKC is a number one seed the way they are and don't really need to take a big swing with an old player. If we have learned anything about these playoffs, the veteran guys (other than Bron) wear down by the playoffs.
It is about trying to maximize the window of opportunity for them to win before their core 3 eat up all the salary cap flex.
OKC just doesn't have the contracts to make it work.
Dort 16.5, Giddey 8.3, Kenrich 6.6, Cason 5.5, Dieng 5 mil. That's still only about $42mil in contracts. Durant alone is $51m. They'd have to sign and trade Hayward (min 3 years) to make up the difference, but assuming they don't trade ALL 5 of those guys named, the contract they'd need to sign Hayward to would be deemed a bad contract (he's worth around $15-16m.) I'm also assuming they'd be hesitant to trade Dort since he's their primary guard/wing defender. They obviously have the picks to get it done...(holy sh*t OKC has 35 picks between now and 2030...holy moly, that's an average of 5 a year lol, meanwhile PHX has 2. TWO PICKS in 5 years). And no, OKC has zero Trade exceptions.
The trade would be:
Giddey, K Williams, Wallace, Dieng, and a S&T Hayward at $75m/3y, plus 3 1st rounders of various quality for Durant.
If the trade was just the 4 players and picks, it might be a fair deal seeing as Giddy, Wallace and Dieng are all lottery picks, it's the equivalent of 6 1st rounders going out for Durant. But that Hayward deal that they would NEED to include, is UGLY. That's probably worth at least another 1st to take on, if not 2. Would OKC give up 3-5 1st rounders plus Giddey, K Williams, Wallace, Dieng? Is that even worth it?
The other option would be to include Dort and a S&T Hayward at fair value $45m/3y, and keep one of Kenrich/Cason/Dieng.
PHX traded Mikal Bridges, Cam Johnson, 4 first-round draft picks and a 2028 first-round pick swap to get Durant, that's about 6.5 1st rounders worth of value.
I'm not sure how either team values the various OKC assets, but it does seem like a complete gut of their depth.
WuTang_OG wrote:Ishbia is doubling down. Don't expect PHX to move anyone.
Pelicans will make moves Griff admitted it few days ago
Lebron is staying in LA
JB7 wrote:WuTang_OG wrote:Ishbia is doubling down. Don't expect PHX to move anyone.
Pelicans will make moves Griff admitted it few days ago
Lebron is staying in LA
I think Ishbia is bluffing, if he is giving indications he won't move anyone. Fast forward a year, the Suns are probably in the exact same place, except Durant is a year older and has one year left on his deal.
If Durant wants to be traded, and a team like OKC is interested, I think a deal would go down.
It is two years in a row the Suns have done nothing significant in the playoffs, and they don't have enough assets to risk holding onto Durant for too long.
And if Booker wants out, they can move him to the Nets for all of their picks and swaps back, along with the 'player' known as Ben Simmons
WuTang_OG wrote:JB7 wrote:WuTang_OG wrote:Ishbia is doubling down. Don't expect PHX to move anyone.
Pelicans will make moves Griff admitted it few days ago
Lebron is staying in LA
I think Ishbia is bluffing, if he is giving indications he won't move anyone. Fast forward a year, the Suns are probably in the exact same place, except Durant is a year older and has one year left on his deal.
If Durant wants to be traded, and a team like OKC is interested, I think a deal would go down.
It is two years in a row the Suns have done nothing significant in the playoffs, and they don't have enough assets to risk holding onto Durant for too long.
And if Booker wants out, they can move him to the Nets for all of their picks and swaps back, along with the 'player' known as Ben Simmons
Nah not bluffing. He's an oblivious owner. He's still in phase 1
JB7 wrote:ontnut wrote:JB7 wrote:
It is about trying to maximize the window of opportunity for them to win before their core 3 eat up all the salary cap flex.
OKC just doesn't have the contracts to make it work.
Dort 16.5, Giddey 8.3, Kenrich 6.6, Cason 5.5, Dieng 5 mil. That's still only about $42mil in contracts. Durant alone is $51m. They'd have to sign and trade Hayward (min 3 years) to make up the difference, but assuming they don't trade ALL 5 of those guys named, the contract they'd need to sign Hayward to would be deemed a bad contract (he's worth around $15-16m.) I'm also assuming they'd be hesitant to trade Dort since he's their primary guard/wing defender. They obviously have the picks to get it done...(holy sh*t OKC has 35 picks between now and 2030...holy moly, that's an average of 5 a year lol, meanwhile PHX has 2. TWO PICKS in 5 years). And no, OKC has zero Trade exceptions.
The trade would be:
Giddey, K Williams, Wallace, Dieng, and a S&T Hayward at $75m/3y, plus 3 1st rounders of various quality for Durant.
If the trade was just the 4 players and picks, it might be a fair deal seeing as Giddy, Wallace and Dieng are all lottery picks, it's the equivalent of 6 1st rounders going out for Durant. But that Hayward deal that they would NEED to include, is UGLY. That's probably worth at least another 1st to take on, if not 2. Would OKC give up 3-5 1st rounders plus Giddey, K Williams, Wallace, Dieng? Is that even worth it?
The other option would be to include Dort and a S&T Hayward at fair value $45m/3y, and keep one of Kenrich/Cason/Dieng.
PHX traded Mikal Bridges, Cam Johnson, 4 first-round draft picks and a 2028 first-round pick swap to get Durant, that's about 6.5 1st rounders worth of value.
I'm not sure how either team values the various OKC assets, but it does seem like a complete gut of their depth.
OKC has 12 players signed for a total of $103M. Salary cap is $141M. If they trade Giddy, Wallace, Dieng and K. Williams, they would be moving out over $25M. Wouldn't the contracts moved plus the space be enough to absorb Durant's $51M?
They have $60M in cap holds, but $47M of that is Hayward who they could resign at a much smaller number, or just renounce.
In terms of trading draft picks, OKC has got to start moving them, because they cannot roster them all.
As long as a deal doesn't touch any of their core 3, who are they really losing that would matter so much? Even if they included Dort in the deal, with Nurkic coming back to add a bit of size to their front court, it looks like it could be a fit.
