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Yeah, I'm thinking Masai did pretty well with this trade.

deeps6x wrote:Yeah, I'm thinking Masai did pretty well with this trade.

In 2028 someone will quote this because a player that got picked at 37 was a stud and “we could’ve had him”

deeps6x wrote:Yeah, I'm thinking Masai did pretty well with this trade.

In what way? Are you seeing some upside in Ochai as a mini wing who can't shoot? Or Kelly Olynyk who we could have signed in free agency.

We burned a 29 pick which could have been used in a trade up in the draft or to select a prospect.

I am fairly certain we can replace Ochai's value in this draft. He basically is Stanley Johnson redux. Not really sure where the win is other than to committing to two average players.

Dalek wrote:

deeps6x wrote:Yeah, I'm thinking Masai did pretty well with this trade.

In what way? Are you seeing some upside in Ochai as a mini wing who can't shoot? Or Kelly Olynyk who we could have signed in free agency.

We burned a 29 pick which could have been used in a trade up in the draft or to select a prospect.

I am fairly certain we can replace Ochai's value in this draft. He basically is Stanley Johnson redux. Not really sure where the win is other than to committing to two average players.

Reality is Agabji is already better than the average 29th pick and has just as much upside as anyone selected there.

Ochai is a good defender who has great raw athleticism. His shot WAS improving year over year up until this last year where it tanked.

If he can regain any bit of his shot, he'll be a solid rotation guy.

Dalek wrote:

deeps6x wrote:Yeah, I'm thinking Masai did pretty well with this trade.

In what way? Are you seeing some upside in Ochai as a mini wing who can't shoot? Or Kelly Olynyk who we could have signed in free agency.

We burned a 29 pick which could have been used in a trade up in the draft or to select a prospect.

I am fairly certain we can replace Ochai's value in this draft. He basically is Stanley Johnson redux. Not really sure where the win is other than to committing to two average players.

Pffffft.

Grumps gonna grump.

We’re all entitled to an opinion but no one should be paying yours any mind.

It was the worst of three or four picks in a poor draft. We were never keeping all of them, and taking a flier on a recent lottery pick who had a decent rookie season and was enduring a bit of a sophomore slump was a sound move. Time will tell. You just seem to want to bitch.

YogurtProducer wrote:

Dalek wrote:

deeps6x wrote:Yeah, I'm thinking Masai did pretty well with this trade.

In what way? Are you seeing some upside in Ochai as a mini wing who can't shoot? Or Kelly Olynyk who we could have signed in free agency.

We burned a 29 pick which could have been used in a trade up in the draft or to select a prospect.

I am fairly certain we can replace Ochai's value in this draft. He basically is Stanley Johnson redux. Not really sure where the win is other than to committing to two average players.

Reality is Agabji is already better than the average 29th pick and has just as much upside as anyone selected there.

I would like a prospect who is bigger and has some skill finishing or shooting. Ryan Dunn could replace Ochai's defense or Tristan Silva has an all-around game. Even back up PG like KJ Simpson is a bigger need than Ochai.

We have had guys like Stanley Johnson, Landry Fields, Rasual Butler - these guys who get the yips playing pro ball. I don't know if Ochai ever gets over his nerves, but he looks nervous out there.

this was a good trade for us, why on earth would you complain about giving up a late 20s (29th) pick? STOP OVERVALUING PICKS !

Dalek wrote:

YogurtProducer wrote:

Dalek wrote:
In what way? Are you seeing some upside in Ochai as a mini wing who can't shoot? Or Kelly Olynyk who we could have signed in free agency.

We burned a 29 pick which could have been used in a trade up in the draft or to select a prospect.

I am fairly certain we can replace Ochai's value in this draft. He basically is Stanley Johnson redux. Not really sure where the win is other than to committing to two average players.

Reality is Agabji is already better than the average 29th pick and has just as much upside as anyone selected there.

I would like a prospect who is bigger and has some skill finishing or shooting. Ryan Dunn could replace Ochai's defense or Tristan Silva has an all-around game. Even back up PG like KJ Simpson is a bigger need than Ochai.

We have had guys like Stanley Johnson, Landry Fields, Rasual Butler - these guys who get the yips playing pro ball. I don't know if Ochai ever gets over his nerves, but he looks nervous out there.

Keep in mind, starting now for the next few months is the time when these players in the draft look the best. And then the draft happens, you get these guys in and...

I'm confident in Ochai. I think he'll figure it out & become a decent 3&D player. He seems like a smart guy, a hard worker, coachable, elite athleticism & was already having some decent success from the corner.

He'll have a very defined role. He has the luxury of just putting the reps in until he masters that skill set.

It might take a couple.if seasons, but I think he will get there.

It wasn't a bad trade.

MEDIC wrote:I'm confident in Ochai. I think he'll figure it out & become a decent 3&D player. He seems like a smart guy, a hard worker, coachable, elite athleticism & was already having some decent success from the corner.

He'll have a very defined role. He has the luxury of just putting the reps in until he masters that skill set.

It might take a couple.if seasons, but I think he will get there.

It wasn't a bad trade.

I think the 29th pick for 2 1/2 years of KO plus an equivalent prosepct in Ochai at that level.

Downside, you lose 2 years of control and that chance to hit a homerun (albeit unlikley at that range).

Considering we have a pick two picks later... it really isn't a bad move.

Masai loves these “all defence, no offence” type players but the amount of them that actually pan out are very few. They’re usually out of the league after they leave here.

I'm actually very high on Ochai.

He's the perfect role player, especially if he can regain his shooting stroke.

Excellent at cutting to the rim, solid passer himself, very good defensively, and most importantly - he plays within his role.

He's like Precious in terms of raw talent - but he actually has a brain and doesn't ever force anything.

Still only 23 as well. The upside is there and he'll excel playing next to Scottie next year.

This trade was perfecto by Masai.

LoveMyRaps wrote:I'm actually very high on Ochai.

He's the perfect role player, especially if he can regain his shooting stroke.

Excellent at cutting to the rim, solid passer himself, very good defensively, and most importantly - he plays within his role.

He's like Precious in terms of raw talent - but he actually has a brain and doesn't ever force anything.

Still only 23 as well. The upside is there and he'll excel playing next to Scottie next year.

This trade was perfecto by Masai.

Ochai to LoveMyRaps = Poeltl to Shakril

Duffman100 wrote:

LoveMyRaps wrote:I'm actually very high on Ochai.

He's the perfect role player, especially if he can regain his shooting stroke.

Excellent at cutting to the rim, solid passer himself, very good defensively, and most importantly - he plays within his role.

He's like Precious in terms of raw talent - but he actually has a brain and doesn't ever force anything.

Still only 23 as well. The upside is there and he'll excel playing next to Scottie next year.

This trade was perfecto by Masai.

Ochai to LoveMyRaps = Poeltl to Shakril

Idk, I just feel like the guy is being unfairly written off by most. But then again, this fanbase is beyond impatient when it comes to player development.

I really do think he's the perfect role player to have alongside Scottie. His ability to cut to the rim and also create second chance opportunities is what really stands out to me.

And like I said, he's not a boneheaded player like Precious. Ochai actually plays within his role and never tries to do too much. He keeps it simple.

With that being said, he needs to shoot a respectable percentage from 3 next season (i.e. minimum ~35%). Otherwise, he'll be racking up a lot of DNPs.

C_Money wrote:Masai loves these “all defence, no offence” type players but the amount of them that actually pan out are very few. They’re usually out of the league after they leave here.

It's worth the risk though. At least with a defensive prospect, you have the chance of developing a 3 point shot which allows them to become a useful 3 + D player & possible starter.

I'd take a chance on a player like that over an offensive player who is a terrible defender. I don't think I have ever seen a poor defender turn into a good one.......but I have seen a poor shooter turn into a good shooter.

LoveMyRaps wrote:

Duffman100 wrote:

LoveMyRaps wrote:I'm actually very high on Ochai.

He's the perfect role player, especially if he can regain his shooting stroke.

Excellent at cutting to the rim, solid passer himself, very good defensively, and most importantly - he plays within his role.

He's like Precious in terms of raw talent - but he actually has a brain and doesn't ever force anything.

Still only 23 as well. The upside is there and he'll excel playing next to Scottie next year.

This trade was perfecto by Masai.

Ochai to LoveMyRaps = Poeltl to Shakril

Idk, I just feel like the guy is being unfairly written off by most. But then again, this fanbase is beyond impatient when it comes to player development.

I really do think he's the perfect role player to have alongside Scottie. His ability to cut to the rim and also create second chance opportunities is what really stands out to me.

And like I said, he's not a boneheaded player like Precious. Ochai actually plays within his role and never tries to do too much. He keeps it simple.

With that being said, he needs to shoot a respectable percentage from 3 next season (i.e. minimum ~35%). Otherwise, he'll be racking up a lot of DNPs.

That's what I said when he first got here, he has a chance to be like the perfect role player.
3+D + athletic enough to cut n finish or be placed in the dunkers spot.
His ability to cover the other teams PG will unlock our defense one day.
His 3pt shot has to become respectable tho, and it's not like he's gonna be getting movement 3s, just has to knock down the open ones

LoveMyRaps wrote:

Duffman100 wrote:

LoveMyRaps wrote:I'm actually very high on Ochai.

He's the perfect role player, especially if he can regain his shooting stroke.

Excellent at cutting to the rim, solid passer himself, very good defensively, and most importantly - he plays within his role.

He's like Precious in terms of raw talent - but he actually has a brain and doesn't ever force anything.

Still only 23 as well. The upside is there and he'll excel playing next to Scottie next year.

This trade was perfecto by Masai.

Ochai to LoveMyRaps = Poeltl to Shakril

Idk, I just feel like the guy is being unfairly written off by most. But then again, this fanbase is beyond impatient when it comes to player development.

I really do think he's the perfect role player to have alongside Scottie. His ability to cut to the rim and also create second chance opportunities is what really stands out to me.

And like I said, he's not a boneheaded player like Precious. Ochai actually plays within his role and never tries to do too much. He keeps it simple.

With that being said, he needs to shoot a respectable percentage from 3 next season (i.e. minimum ~35%). Otherwise, he'll be racking up a lot of DNPs.

Oh you know me. I like the shot on Ochai

MEDIC wrote:

C_Money wrote:Masai loves these “all defence, no offence” type players but the amount of them that actually pan out are very few. They’re usually out of the league after they leave here.

It's worth the risk though. At least with a defensive prospect, you have the chance of developing a 3 point shot which allows them to become a useful 3 + D player & possible starter.

I'd take a chance on a player like that over an offensive player who is a terrible defender. I don't think I have ever seen a poor defender turn into a good one.......but I have seen a poor shooter turn into a good shooter.

In today’s NBA I’m taking the offensive player hands down.