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OakleyDokely wrote:It's going to be fun to read about the great Reeves+DLo+Vincent super package that will be rumoured for every star player this offseason.

MiamiSPX wrote:

OakleyDokely wrote:It's going to be fun to read about the great Reeves+DLo+Vincent super package that will be rumoured for every star player this offseason.

Lol. Judging by LeBron's body language, he is ready to trade anyone and everyone not named AD.

Merit wrote:

MiamiSPX wrote:

Merit wrote:
They have the role player pieces who play huge and have the clutch gene. Josh Hart, OG, Donte. They’re hardcore. The pistons comparison is apt. They’re arguably better with Randle missing since they don’t have a poor defender who can be attacked, Brunson’s size differential aside. Thibs knows what he’s doing and he finally has decent personnel. OG is huge for them.

The Pistons comparison is what fans invoke to try and convince themselves their team can win without a top 10 player. We did the same many years ago when we had DD/Kyle leading us. They are the exception to the rule and of course it will eventually happen again but it won't be a team whose best player is a tiny guard. Not only did the rest of the last 30 title winners have a top 10 player at that time, almost all of them had a player (or 2-3) that are arguably among the top 100 players of all time.

We should also note that those Pistons did have 2 guys who ended up in the Hall of Fame (and I will insist Rasheed was better than both of them and would have been a HoFer if not for being a hothead, and pothead). These Knicks do not have anyone that will be in the Hall of Fame.

Having said all that, I don't dispute the rest of your post. Hart and Donte are absolute dogs, and I don't mind their swagger because they get after it at both ends. OG is OG, the only reason I think his contract will be brutal is because of how injury prone he is. And I also agree that they are better off without Randle. We've seen how embarrassingly bad he can be in the playoffs and right now he would be trying to do too much while Brunson is struggling.

Yeah I was thinking earlier pistons - bad boy pistons with Isaiah (Kyle/Brunson sized) Now of course they don’t have Dumars and Laimbeer etc. but they are defensive minded, have balanced scoring, two solid bigs and decent wing depth. Their ability to guard is what makes me believe in them. OG was a huge addition to their team.

The bad boy pistons were before my era of ball so maybe some of the posters with deeper knowledge can elaborate better than I can.

Agreed that Rasheed is deserving of being in the hall, but I’m not sure Ben Wallace would see much of the floor in this era. He’s like Bam without a shot. I think the storyline is what appeals to me the most, especially since the Knicks are the underdog. Also want to take a minute and shout you out for coming with facts and analysis. These types of conversations add value to the board. Cheers.

Wise80 wrote:

GP2 wrote:

Basketball_Jones wrote:
Greatest free throw shooter of all time so exciting to watch. Really makes great use of that 7 foot height and athleticism on those free throws.

Oh, the free throw stuff is annoying, but mostly okay. I didn't really mind Houston Harden either. It's boring for sure, but that's a rules/officiating issue. Where Embiid gets me is him "clumsily" hurting people many times during his career. It's like he still doesn't know his own force and the space his body occupies.

I youtubed it. Are we talking about the Robinson flagrant?

What a piece of ****. He's such a baby. Is Robinson out now, or is he fine?

tecumseh18 wrote:

Wise80 wrote:

GP2 wrote:
Oh, the free throw stuff is annoying, but mostly okay. I didn't really mind Houston Harden either. It's boring for sure, but that's a rules/officiating issue. Where Embiid gets me is him "clumsily" hurting people many times during his career. It's like he still doesn't know his own force and the space his body occupies.

I youtubed it. Are we talking about the Robinson flagrant?

What a piece of ****. He's such a baby. Is Robinson out now, or is he fine?

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Hah, Precious looked pretty good against Embiid in the 2022 playoffs. Wonder if he gets a chance in Game 4?

MiamiSPX wrote:

OakleyDokely wrote:It's going to be fun to read about the great Reeves+DLo+Vincent super package that will be rumoured for every star player this offseason.

Lol. Judging by LeBron's body language, he is ready to trade anyone and everyone not named AD.

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XTC wrote:Nick Nurse fall from grace has been appalling.

It really does seem like the 2019 and 2020 teams where just that good and fit his play style to a tee. He hasn't looked that great in Philly, he still has the same coaching weaknesses.

It's so weird to see. He was great at making adjustments in 2019 and 2020, but it's becoming a major flaws with him now.

Wise80 wrote:

GP2 wrote:

Basketball_Jones wrote:
Greatest free throw shooter of all time so exciting to watch. Really makes great use of that 7 foot height and athleticism on those free throws.

Oh, the free throw stuff is annoying, but mostly okay. I didn't really mind Houston Harden either. It's boring for sure, but that's a rules/officiating issue. Where Embiid gets me is him "clumsily" hurting people many times during his career. It's like he still doesn't know his own force and the space his body occupies.

I youtubed it. Are we talking about the Robinson flagrant?

What a piece of ****. He's such a baby. Is Robinson out now, or is he fine?

tecumseh18 wrote:

Wise80 wrote:

GP2 wrote:
Oh, the free throw stuff is annoying, but mostly okay. I didn't really mind Houston Harden either. It's boring for sure, but that's a rules/officiating issue. Where Embiid gets me is him "clumsily" hurting people many times during his career. It's like he still doesn't know his own force and the space his body occupies.

I youtubed it. Are we talking about the Robinson flagrant?

What a piece of ****. He's such a baby. Is Robinson out now, or is he fine?

Read on Twitter

Hah, Precious looked pretty good against Embiid in the 2022 playoffs. Wonder if he gets a chance in Game 4?

Wise80 wrote:

tecumseh18 wrote:

Wise80 wrote:
I youtubed it. Are we talking about the Robinson flagrant?

What a piece of ****. He's such a baby. Is Robinson out now, or is he fine?

Read on Twitter

Hah, Precious looked pretty good against Embiid in the 2022 playoffs. Wonder if he gets a chance in Game 4?

Jesus. Should of been given a flagrant 2. It was not a basketball play at all.

XTC wrote:Nick Nurse fall from grace has been appalling.

It really does seem like the 2019 and 2020 teams where just that good and fit his play style to a tee. He hasn't looked that great in Philly, he still has the same coaching weaknesses.

It's so weird to see. He was great at making adjustments in 2019 and 2020, but it's becoming a major flaws with him now.

XTC wrote:Nick Nurse fall from grace has been appalling.

It really does seem like the 2019 and 2020 teams where just that good and fit his play style to a tee. He hasn't looked that great in Philly, he still has the same coaching weaknesses.

It's so weird to see. He was great at making adjustments in 2019 and 2020, but it's becoming a major flaws with him now.

SirKen wrote:

XTC wrote:Nick Nurse fall from grace has been appalling.

It really does seem like the 2019 and 2020 teams where just that good and fit his play style to a tee. He hasn't looked that great in Philly, he still has the same coaching weaknesses.

It's so weird to see. He was great at making adjustments in 2019 and 2020, but it's becoming a major flaws with him now.

Disclaimer: Pure speculation incoming based on my observations on and off the court!

I suspect he changed after the championship. The bench mob leading up to it was supposed to be his product and that bench took more of a "share the ball" approach. However, after the championship, his offense looked to be relying more on individual skill. I wonder having a prime Kawhi on the roster influenced and changed his beliefs. Or maybe it all went to his head, I don't know. All I can say is that his ego is a lot more inflated than it used to be, whether rightfully or not.

XTC wrote:Nick Nurse fall from grace has been appalling.

It really does seem like the 2019 and 2020 teams where just that good and fit his play style to a tee. He hasn't looked that great in Philly, he still has the same coaching weaknesses.

It's so weird to see. He was great at making adjustments in 2019 and 2020, but it's becoming a major flaws with him now.