Will Masai Tank 4 Flagg?

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

Cooper's like 17 right now, it's really a different timeline.

[refshateRaps]

The team is too good to tank. We may be battling for a play-in if healthy

[WaltFrazier]

How would BBQ feel about an intentional tank? They've all had a taste of playoffs, now watching their peers in the playoff spotlight. They couldn't be happy to have another losing year and no playoffs.

All three guys are pretty much locked in on long-term contracts.

Anyways its a moot point. We're not "intentionally tanking". It'll have to be strategic, like trading Poeltl for picks or making no effort to improve the bench.

I agree it's a moot point, Masai won't tank from start of season.

But keeping young stars happy is important too. A strategic move like trading Jak to ensure losing, I could picture Scottie being unhappy about missing playoffs again. He's a conpetitor

[UnderdogRaptors]

30-35 w team next year if I had to guess

[Clutch0z24]

Barnes will be miserable and gone if we don’t plan to win until after we have drafted and developed a player who isn’t even in the nba yet.

Our core is 23-25. You don’t have 3 years to become good. Next year we need to be .500 and the following year we need to be on the come up.

If they were 19-21 go ahead and tank a year. But this will become miserable and toxic if you make these guys lose for the next 3 years

Id love to hear how you would go about being a good to great team in the next 2 years.....We havn't ever signed a superstar free agent...We Have Zero major assets to trade in any deal for a Superstar player....

We have GTJR, Poeltl, Bruce Brown, Chris Boucher, Kelly Olynyk as players who could be up for trade....Thats gonna get us any kind of player back for us in a trade that would make a significant change? I don't think so...But wait we have Draft picks to trade...Look how that turned out for us...

Internal growth? Barnes, IQ, Barrett, Dick all good young players but are they ready to win anytime soon? i don't think so and to ask them to be on the level of a good NBA team is a big ask for a young team.

Free agency? We gonna sign Dennis Schroder again to be the starting PG? ...That will put us over the hump...

We have one option atm and thats to stock pile talent...The best way and the best way its always been for us to bring in talent is through the draft....The higher the picks the more likely chance of getting a Superstar in the draft....Its the best and most efficient way for us to get better while Scottie is here.

[Clutch0z24]

The team is too good to tank. We may be battling for a play-in if healthy

How are we good? After OG/Siakam got traded we are a bottom feeder team....We may not be the worst team but we are not winning 30 games without adding significant depth and talent...The roster is bare bones....We would be top 5-8 in the draft and if Masai wants to make a real shot at number 1 maybe some random injuries pop up...

[mdenny]

Barnes will be miserable and gone if we don’t plan to win until after we have drafted and developed a player who isn’t even in the nba yet.

Our core is 23-25. You don’t have 3 years to become good. Next year we need to be .500 and the following year we need to be on the come up.

If they were 19-21 go ahead and tank a year. But this will become miserable and toxic if you make these guys lose for the next 3 years

Id love to hear how you would go about being a good to great team in the next 2 years.....We havn't ever signed a superstar free agent...We Have Zero major assets to trade in any deal for a Superstar player....

We have GTJR, Poeltl, Bruce Brown, Chris Boucher, Kelly Olynyk as players who could be up for trade....Thats gonna get us any kind of player back for us in a trade that would make a significant change? I don't think so...But wait we have Draft picks to trade...Look how that turned out for us...

Internal growth? Barnes, IQ, Barrett, Dick all good young players but are they ready to win anytime soon? i don't think so and to ask them to be on the level of a good NBA team is a big ask for a young team.

Free agency? We gonna sign Dennis Schroder again to be the starting PG? ...That will put us over the hump...

We have one option atm and thats to stock pile talent...The best way and the best way its always been for us to bring in talent is through the draft....The higher the picks the more likely chance of getting a Superstar in the draft....Its the best and most efficient way for us to get better while Scottie is here.

I've already gone through the numbers with you. You are proposing a plan which has a 1 in 100 chance of working out as you envision. And when it doesn't work out...you'll say "well if we had only drafted this guy instead of that guy".

You aren't proposing an actual, viable business plan. You are proposing a utopian best case scenario.

[Clutch0z24]

Barnes will be miserable and gone if we don’t plan to win until after we have drafted and developed a player who isn’t even in the nba yet.

Our core is 23-25. You don’t have 3 years to become good. Next year we need to be .500 and the following year we need to be on the come up.

If they were 19-21 go ahead and tank a year. But this will become miserable and toxic if you make these guys lose for the next 3 years

Id love to hear how you would go about being a good to great team in the next 2 years.....We havn't ever signed a superstar free agent...We Have Zero major assets to trade in any deal for a Superstar player....

We have GTJR, Poeltl, Bruce Brown, Chris Boucher, Kelly Olynyk as players who could be up for trade....Thats gonna get us any kind of player back for us in a trade that would make a significant change? I don't think so...But wait we have Draft picks to trade...Look how that turned out for us...

Internal growth? Barnes, IQ, Barrett, Dick all good young players but are they ready to win anytime soon? i don't think so and to ask them to be on the level of a good NBA team is a big ask for a young team.

Free agency? We gonna sign Dennis Schroder again to be the starting PG? ...That will put us over the hump...

We have one option atm and thats to stock pile talent...The best way and the best way its always been for us to bring in talent is through the draft....The higher the picks the more likely chance of getting a Superstar in the draft....Its the best and most efficient way for us to get better while Scottie is here.

I've already gone through the numbers with you. You are proposing a plan which has a 1 in 100 chance of working out as you envision. And when it doesn't work out...you'll say "well if we had only drafted this guy instead of that guy".

You aren't proposing an actual, viable business plan. You are proposing a utopian best case scenario.

No...Im saying what we need is talent...We badly lack NBA level talent on the roster....And the talent we do have are not good enough imo to be great...We need more....

Idc if we win the draft...Idc if we get 1 or 2...Thats the goal you obviously strive for...But even getting top 5-7 in a draft class with all kind of talent is a W for us.....You can go through any number you want...the facts are every star player comes into the NBA via the draft....Small market teams that win a championship or compete are teams that draft smart...

We can go over if you can get draft steals late in the lotto but the numbers will show most superstar players are picked in the 1-7 range in any NBA Draft.

Big market teams get handed superstars on a silver platter just by being in a certain City....

We are a team that needs to draft well to have success....And since thats the best way for us to have success thats the most logical and viable option for us to take.

[Appostis]

I don't think the team is good enough to really make a run next year.. one more bad year.

Tank?.. maybe.

[nikster]

I don't think they should blow it up. Use the start of the season to see how BBQ+ dick play together. If things go really south then pivot to the tank. I think we have enough young talent ot not want to start the season with a tank mindset.

Pistons had the worst record 2 years in a row(and a historically bad year this season) only to end up with 2 #5 picks. Tanking isn't magic

[bobbyp3588]

Apologies to the OP and everyone who’s wasted their time posting in this thread, but this thread is as dumb as it gets.

The answer, whether individuals here think we should tank or not, is NO. Masai has zero intention of tanking for Cooper Flagg. ZERO.

And he’s right. How the heck would you even attempt to tell IQ, RJ, Scottie, Yak, KO and Gradey that they’re all going to have mystery injuries all year long so we can have a 9% chance at Cooper Flagg. THIS IS SO STUPID

If we’re anywhere close to being in a position to tank come the last half of the year it means Scottie and the core really isn’t IT, and if that’s the case we should just relinquish the entire **** franchise. LOL

And to boot….tank another year and you might as well be tell Scottie to take a hike without actually telling Scottie to take a hike.

[OakleyDokely]

I think Masai will approach next year similar to this year. He will put the best team on the floor possible in a rebuilding sense, then he will determine prior to the deadline whether to push for a play-in spot or to tank for a better pick.

Very few teams go into the season with the direct intention to tank. Most teams are trying to compete. Just reality sets in for some teams that they suck and they have to shift directions midseason. It's the hybrid/stealth model approach to tanking,

[bobbyp3588]

The team is too good to tank. We may be battling for a play-in if healthy

How are we good? After OG/Siakam got traded we are a bottom feeder team....We may not be the worst team but we are not winning 30 games without adding significant depth and talent...The roster is bare bones....We would be top 5-8 in the draft and if Masai wants to make a real shot at number 1 maybe some random injuries pop up...

Dude…what? 30 wins? Wrong. Without adding a thing, if healthy, we’re looking at the play-in.

Did you see our nightly line-ups the last 30 games of the year? That was bare bones. And that’s the kind of roster it’s going to take to land a Cooper Flagg.

If Scottie, RJ and IQ are all playing 35+ mpg, we have absolutely no chance of bottoming out.

GIVE. YO. HEAD. A. SHAKE.

[Merit]

I think Masai will approach next year similar to this year. He will put the best team on the floor possible in a rebuilding sense, then he will determine prior to the deadline whether to push for a play-in spot or to tank for a better pick.

Very few teams go into the season with the direct intention to tank. Most teams are trying to compete. Just reality sets in for some teams that they suck and they have to shift directions midseason. It's the hybrid/stealth model approach to tanking,

Injuries can also force his hand. If Scottie or IQ or Poeltl is out, it makes a stealth tank a lot easier. And yes, I agree that the optics of outright tanking indicates to the team and fan base that we don’t believe in them.

While I’m hopeful for a tank, the most likely path is continuing to build from the middle. Aka many singles.

[will]

Apologies to the OP and everyone who’s wasted their time posting in this thread, but this thread is as dumb as it gets.

The answer, whether individuals here think we should tank or not, is NO. Masai has zero intention of tanking for Cooper Flagg. ZERO.

And he’s right. How the heck would you even attempt to tell IQ, RJ, Scottie, Yak, KO and Gradey that they’re all going to have mystery injuries all year long so we can have a 9% chance at Cooper Flagg. THIS IS SO STUPID

If we’re anywhere close to being in a position to tank come the last half of the year it means Scottie and the core really isn’t IT, and if that’s the case we should just relinquish the entire **** franchise. LOL

And to boot….tank another year and you might as well be tell Scottie to take a hike without actually telling Scottie to take a hike.

It worked with SGA

[Shakril]

We witnessed a lottery that did not reward tanking, like many Lotteries before.

Now talking again about tanking is just crazy. When will you people learn.

[refshateRaps]

The team is too good to tank. We may be battling for a play-in if healthy

How are we good? After OG/Siakam got traded we are a bottom feeder team....We may not be the worst team but we are not winning 30 games without adding significant depth and talent...The roster is bare bones....We would be top 5-8 in the draft and if Masai wants to make a real shot at number 1 maybe some random injuries pop up...

'Too good to tank'

No we are not a good team in terms of contending, but yes we are far too good to tank when healthy.

Scottie, IQ, RJ all one year older and the latter will be far more adjusted to playing here.
Our Centre spot is solid

That alone is not gonna help the tank.

[will]

We witnessed a lottery that did not reward tanking, like many Lotteries before.

Now talking again about tanking is just crazy. When will you people learn.

That lottery with Victor?

[Shakril]

We witnessed a lottery that did not reward tanking, like many Lotteries before.

Now talking again about tanking is just crazy. When will you people learn.

That lottery with Victor?

You mean were 9 teams failed to aquire Victor and looked stupid?

What would you have said if a Play-in Team has got Victor?

And Players like Victor are probably the only reason i even can understand tanking, despite beeing against it.

Stop looking at the one shiny diamond, look at all the thousands of crumbling stones to understand that its just gambling, not thoughtful plan to rebuild a team.

And most important: It only counts if San Antonio is successful with Victor. What if Victor leaves after 7 years and wins with another team. Would you still count Spurs tank a success?

[will]

We witnessed a lottery that did not reward tanking, like many Lotteries before.

Now talking again about tanking is just crazy. When will you people learn.

That lottery with Victor?

You mean were 9 teams failed to aquire Victor and looked stupid?

What would you have said if a Play-in Team has got Victor?

And Players like Victor are probably the only reason i even can understand tanking, despite beeing against it.

Stop looking at the one shiny diamond, look at all the thousands of crumbling stones to understand that its just gambling, not thoughtful plan to rebuild a team.

And most important: It only counts if San Antonio is successful with Victor. What if Victor leaves after 7 years and wins with another team. Would you still count Spurs tank a success?

Based on what happened with DRob and Timmy Buckets, I don't see the Spurs and Victor parting ways after 7 seasons or at all. They have a track record.