Inside Source:Calderon and Johnson for Butler and Crittenton

[dacrusha]

Let's decrease DD's minutes, increase Banks' minutes and bring on a declining and aging Butler.

Sounds like a great idea.

Or ... you let DD minutes stay the same and decrease Wright/Weems/Belinelli minutes. Banks minutes might increase but atleast his minutes will be limited. Butler is only one year older then Jose ...

Butler plays 38 minutes a game. How do you split 25 minutes between DD, Weems, Belinelli and Wright?

This is clearly just a move for the sake of a move: this team needs to make a move for a (preferably big) defensive specialist, not another mediocre and aging wing whose best days are behind him.

[Dr Positivity]

I looked up this raptorgenius's guys threads. One positive thing in his favor is that he's been doing this for years (coming up with inside info then coming here and posting it). That could mean he's a pathological liar, but I'm more inclined to believe he has some sort of source

Here's his threads: viewtopic.php?f=32&t=855820&start=0 (Smitch going to be fired - his most succesful scoop but everyone could guess Sam's job was in trouble at the time)

viewtopic.php?f=32&t=858317&start=0 (Ukic and Kapono maybe entering starting lineup for more running - Didn't happen but Triano did end up with a more uptempo lineup eventually)

viewtopic.php?f=32&t=898459&start=0 (Colangelo may trade Bosh this summer - obviously didn't happen)

viewtopic.php?f=32&t=851627 (Trade coming soon - nothing happened)

Overall pretty spotty record but nothing to say he's totally full of crap. He's consistently in this role so I'd guess he has some info, just shoddy info

[TheBat]

So we trade Jose because he is redundant but we take back a SF after spending $10M to get one this summer.

Wcan't make big moves until we know what Bosh is going to do. We're also not in a position where we have to do something. The logical move would be to wait until Bosh makes a decision. Then you tweak your roster accordingly. What if DD has an amazing second half of the season? Do we go out and get that highly paid SG and hinder DD's development?
If Bosh leaves and DD starts showing signs of being the real thing, wouldn't it make sense to package a PG in a S&T?

Lastly, just because player A looks good on paper, doesn't mean it will translate the same way on a different team. If you look at Washington's roster, on paper they should be a top 5 team. What if it takes Butler 25 games to adjust to this team like it's taken Hedo? What if Bargs gets less touches and starts to decline.

The one thing that I like about Jose is he makes players around him better. Will Butler do that?

[djsunyc]

if we do get butler, then that means two of the four will always be on the floor: butler, hedo, bargs, bosh

at this point, nobody can tell whether a deal like that would work out for us or not...

[Paperclip]

Past Raptorginius7 thread:

Hump & Kapono for G-Wallace & BC interested in Marbury : viewtopic.php?f=32&t=855820

BC might trade Bosh this past summer : viewtopic.php?t=898459

Triano may insert Roko and Kapono into starting unit and put Bargs and AP on bench: viewtopic.php?t=858317

I dont know how legit this guy is

Just curious, how did you dig these up?

[dagger]

Guys turn off the homer status....Butler+crittenton for Jose+amir is a good deal for the raptors...amir will prob walk away 4 nothing the summer.so the trade is essentially Jose for Butler...in which case we get way less salary and a way better 2 way player....this is a no brainer and laughable that BC turned it down...is BC stupid?

You're the bigger idiot if you believe that somebody waltzes in here and lays out a trade rumor based on so-called inside sources.

Crittenton's inclusion in a deal is no deal-breaker - you just waive him. He's an expiring contract. Pay him and show him the door and let Banks the backup.

What I don't believe is that Washington would ADD luxury tax for this year. They are already deep in it. if I were going to throw the wool over your eyes with a made-up trade rumor, I'd have Washington ship out more salary with Butler to reduce its tax hit. Say, Butler and Stevenson. And if I am Washington, to reduce salary and tax, I'd be happy to take Antoine Wright and Patrick O'Bryant along with Jose so long as a decent contract - Stevenson - goes with Butler. And I'd ask the Raptors for $3 million in cash - which would be a significant concession.

Nice try by the OP, but it lacks common sense. Amir for us and Crittenton for Washington are not deal-breakers.

[timdunkit]

Let's decrease DD's minutes, increase Banks' minutes and bring on a declining and aging Butler.

Sounds like a great idea.

Or ... you let DD minutes stay the same and decrease Wright/Weems/Belinelli minutes. Banks minutes might increase but atleast his minutes will be limited. Butler is only one year older then Jose ...

Butler plays 38 minutes a game. How do you split 25 minutes between DD, Weems, Belinelli and Wright?

This is clearly just a move for the sake of a move: this team needs to make a move for a (preferably big) defensive specialist, not another mediocre and aging wing whose best days are behind him.

Butler plays 38 minutes for the Wizards ... Our best player plays 35 minutes a game. Just like Hedo (who played 37 minutes a game for the Magic) I'd expect Butlers minutes to come down to 32/33 minutes.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

Eww, he's shooting 42%

Thats Turkoglu numbers...

He use to be good too, ah well.

[A Space Cow]

Past Raptorginius7 thread:

Hump & Kapono for G-Wallace & BC interested in Marbury : viewtopic.php?f=32&t=855820

BC might trade Bosh this past summer : viewtopic.php?t=898459

Triano may insert Roko and Kapono into starting unit and put Bargs and AP on bench: viewtopic.php?t=858317

I dont know how legit this guy is

Just curious, how did you dig these up?

Google site search @ http://www.google.com/sitesearch/ works well for that.

[99 Problems]

Believe it when I see it... But its good that you laid our your rep on the line, we'll know what your value is if/when we hear other rumblings of this...

[Lionel Messi]

Also, this might explain why jose came out like a man possessed last game. He was the most aggressive ive ever seen him be with his jumper. BC probably told him there's a significant deal being worked on here with the wizards and Jose didnt like the idea of going to that dysfunctional team.

I mean, that's the first time ive seen jose actually take pull-up jumpers off the dribble with a man in front of him. I always said he should be more aggressive with his cash jumper like that.

I really think this is a legit rumour.

PS - @ sojourn...im sorry, NBA GMs and team management guys arent that secretive about their trades. Why do you think most trades are leaked before they happen? I mean, the hedo acquisition was foreshadowed because during last season BC saw hedo at a bar and told whoever he was with "i think he might be playing for us next season" (paraphrasing).
That was posted on this board during last season...and guess what happened? BC pursued hedo very hard and we signed the guy.

Sojourn, very rarely do GMs stress the important of keeping these scenarios as secret as possible. Im sure they dont WANT them to get leaked, but this stuff usually does get leaked somehow.

[Dr Positivity]

Guys turn off the homer status....Butler+crittenton for Jose+amir is a good deal for the raptors...amir will prob walk away 4 nothing the summer.so the trade is essentially Jose for Butler...in which case we get way less salary and a way better 2 way player....this is a no brainer and laughable that BC turned it down...is BC stupid?

You're the bigger idiot if you believe that somebody waltzes in here and lays out a trade rumor based on so-called inside sources.

Crittenton's inclusion in a deal is no deal-breaker - you just waive him. He's an expiring contract. Pay him and show him the door and let Banks the backup.

What I don't believe is that Washington would ADD luxury tax for this year. They are already deep in it. if I were going to throw the wool over your eyes with a made-up trade rumor, I'd have Washington ship out more salary with Butler to reduce its tax hit. Say, Butler and Stevenson. And if I am Washington, to reduce salary and tax, I'd be happy to take Antoine Wright and Patrick O'Bryant along with Jose so long as a decent contract - Stevenson - goes with Butler. And I'd ask the Raptors for $3 million in cash - which would be a significant concession.

Nice try by the OP, but it lacks common sense. Amir for us and Crittenton for Washington are not deal-breakers.

Yep this basically debunks the OP's cover. Crittenton would never be a dealbreaker for us because we could just waive him as said, and as you mentioned he didn't do his homework enough to see Washington doesn't save anything here

[user name]

I know for a fact that Boykins can not be traded for another month.

[Sojourn]

I looked up this raptorgenius's guys threads. One positive thing in his favor is that he's been doing this for years (coming up with inside info then coming here and posting it). That could mean he's a pathological liar, but I'm more inclined to believe he has some sort of source

Here's his threads: viewtopic.php?f=32&t=855820&start=0 (Smitch going to be fired - his most succesful scoop but everyone could guess Sam's job was in trouble at the time)

viewtopic.php?f=32&t=858317&start=0 (Ukic and Kapono maybe entering starting lineup for more running - Didn't happen but Triano did end up with a more uptempo lineup eventually)

viewtopic.php?f=32&t=898459&start=0 (Colangelo may trade Bosh this summer - obviously didn't happen)

viewtopic.php?f=32&t=851627 (Trade coming soon - nothing happened)

Overall pretty spotty record but nothing to say he's totally full of crap. He's consistently in this role so I'd guess he has some info, just shoddy info

brilliant. so as i suspected- he's regurgitating real gm poster rabble and trying to pass it off as "insider info"

[bongmarley]

I remember at draft time Maruizio and raps were extremely high on Critenton and he is a Georgia Tech guy. Unfortunately he has this ongoing trouble.

[A Space Cow]

The OP clearly says that offers are still being exchanged back and forth and negotiations are still ongoing. With Jose's last game, is it really impossible to think BC might be betting on him playing better and raising his stock going forward? If Jose has another 5-6 games like his last one, then I bet Washington is willing to give us a better deal. Why accept Crittenton just to waive him, when he might be able to get a better deal?

I'm not saying I buy the OP's info, but you guys are equally unconvincing. At least dude has a track record, as mediocre as it may be.

[Lionel Messi]

Crittenton isnt a deal-breaker, just an inconvenience. Amir is the deal-breaker...which is pretty understandable imo

[Bankai]

If this DOES go down, do you think Butler is adequate to play the 2? Or most likely he would have a 6th man role a la Manu and Odom? Or maybe Turk can be the 6th man, the bench could use his scoring touch and playmaking skills to help Banks in that regard. Dunno if he will be happy to be 6th man though.

[Paperclip]

Google site search @ http://www.google.com/sitesearch/ works well for that.

Sweet, just tried it and works. Before I just used google but no success. Thanks.

[NH]

This is an interesting trade. Butler is a proven all-star and will play the 2 spot, but I don't like the idea of giving up Amir Johnson unless Reggie Evans is really ready to go. Otherwise, I would throw in Wright and see if we can pick up Haywood. Also, is this like a witness protection program for Jarvis, after owing money to Arenas?! I can see why the Wiz need to more solid point guard as they are trying to move away from Agent 0, but with the Jamison trade also possible to the Cavs, who are they building this team on then? Haha