2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 2

[MEDIC]

Losing the pick would probably cement this as the worst season in our history, and having been around since the start that’s saying A LOT!

Worst season? This isn't even close to.the worst season, even if we lost the pick.

Worst season for me by far was the year they traded Vince Carter for complete garbage.

We went from having the most popular & exciting player in the NBA & possibly having a bright furure.............to having a roster that was complete garbage & having a very bleak outlook for the forseable future. Things had been spiraling leading up to that season.

Fans went from having a sense of pride about being a Raptors fan to having to wonder if the franchise would even survive (especially after seeing Vancouver fold in recent years).

Easily the darkest time in franchise history.

This team has a nice young core of potential allstars. Tough break with the injuries, but future is bright.

Trading Vince Carter for Aaron and Eric Williams then selecting Charlie V and Joey Graham in the following draft while having to watch Rafael Araujo as a rookie.....that was a pretty dark time.

Leading up to that season the following things had happened (in no particular ordee):

1. BJ Armstrong outright refused play for Toronto
2. Kenny Anderson outright refused to play for Toronto
3. Butch Carter went off the rails
4. There was ownership instability (Alan Slaight shotgun clause)
5. T-mac would not re-sign
6. Antonio Davis wanted out & trash talked Toronto/ Canada
7. Vancouver folded
8. Might Mouse forced his way out
9. Raps had a history of terrible ownership, management & coaching
10. There was only a fringe interest in the Raptors. Leafs ruled the scene.
11. Isiah Thomas fight with ownership. Left on bad terms.
12. Stern screwed the Raps with his new drafting rule. Raps miss out on franchise.player (Iverson).

Carter was the only significant Raptor to embrace the franchise at that point. Then he decides to force his way out as well. After the trade, Mourning refuses to report & is bought out.......no return.

Raps fans had taken a beating at that point. The Carter trade felt like the final blow..

[Reeko]

Worst season? This isn't even close to.the worst season, even if we lost the pick.

Worst season for me by far was the year they traded Vince Carter for complete garbage.

We went from having the most popular & exciting player in the NBA & possibly having a bright furure.............to having a roster that was complete garbage & having a very bleak outlook for the forseable future. Things had been spiraling leading up to that season.

Fans went from having a sense of pride about being a Raptors fan to having to wonder if the franchise would even survive (especially after seeing Vancouver fold in recent years).

Easily the darkest time in franchise history.

This team has a nice young core of potential allstars. Tough break with the injuries, but future is bright.

Trading Vince Carter for Aaron and Eric Williams then selecting Charlie V and Joey Graham in the following draft while having to watch Rafael Araujo as a rookie.....that was a pretty dark time.

Leading up to that season the following things had happened (in no particular ordee):

1. BJ Armstrong outright refused play for Toronto
2. Kenny Anderson outright refused to play for Toronto
3. Butch Carter went off the rails
4. There was ownership instability (Alan Slaight shotgun clause)
5. T-mac would not re-sign
6. Antonio Davis wanted out & trash talked Toronto/ Canada
7. Vancouver folded
8. Might Mouse forced his way out
9. Raps had a history of terrible ownership, management & coaching
10. There was only a fringe interest in the Raptors. Leafs ruled the scene.
11. Isiah Thomas fight with ownership. Left on bad terms.
12. Stern screwed the Raps with his new drafting rule. Raps miss out on franchise.player (Iverson).

Carter was the only significant Raptor to embrace the franchise at that point. Then he decides to force his way out as well. After the trade, Mourning refuses to report & is bought out.......no return.

Raps fans had taken a beating at that point. The Carter trade felt like the final blow..

A lot of people don't know how handicapped by the league the Raptors were as an expansion franchise.

[mtcan]

Worst season? This isn't even close to.the worst season, even if we lost the pick.

Worst season for me by far was the year they traded Vince Carter for complete garbage.

We went from having the most popular & exciting player in the NBA & possibly having a bright furure.............to having a roster that was complete garbage & having a very bleak outlook for the forseable future. Things had been spiraling leading up to that season.

Fans went from having a sense of pride about being a Raptors fan to having to wonder if the franchise would even survive (especially after seeing Vancouver fold in recent years).

Easily the darkest time in franchise history.

This team has a nice young core of potential allstars. Tough break with the injuries, but future is bright.

Trading Vince Carter for Aaron and Eric Williams then selecting Charlie V and Joey Graham in the following draft while having to watch Rafael Araujo as a rookie.....that was a pretty dark time.

Leading up to that season the following things had happened:

1. BJ Armstrong outright refused play for Toronto
2. Kenny Anderson outright refused to play for Toronto
3. Butch Carter went off the rails
4. There was ownership instability (Alan Slaight shotgun clause)
5. T-mac would not re-sign
6. Antonio Davis wanted out & trash talked Toronto/ Canada
7. Vancouver folded
8. Might Mouse forced his way out
9. Raps had a history of terrible ownership, management & coaching
10. There was only a fringe interest in the Raptors. Leafs ruled the scene.
11. Isiah Thomas fight with ownership. Left on bad terms.
12. Stern screwed the Raps with his new drafting rule. Raps miss out on franchise.player (Iverson).

Carter was the only significant Raptor to embrace the franchise at that point. Then he decides to force his way out as well. After the trade, Mourning refuses to report & is bought out.......no return.

Raps fans had taken a beating at that point. The Carter trade felt like the final blow..

Ya...this season, as weird as it has been really is nothing...lol.

Barnes/Quickley/Barrett/Dick is a great place to start the rebuild. We no longer have guys that aren't willing to report to the team because it's Canada.

Kevin O'Neil was a horrible coach and Raptors basketball was unwatchable in his time.

I remember when we had line-ups that included Robert Archibald (RIP), Jelani McCoy and Jannero Pargo...ugh...

[BoyzNTheHood]

I disagree with all of you. In my opinion, this would be the worst. I was here for Zan Tabak, to Rob Babcock, to Masai Ujiri. This season would be super dark if the pick conveys to the Spurs. The darkest in our history.

With that said, our future has more hope that the other darkest years which is what a lot of you seem to be holding onto. I’m not talking about next season or anything past this years lottery.

[dagger]

I disagree with all of you. In my opinion, this would be the worst. I was here for Zan Tabak, to Rob Babcock, to Masai Ujiri. This season would be super dark if the pick conveys to the Spurs. The darkest in our history.

With that said, our future has more hope that the other darkest years which is what a lot of you seem to be holding onto. I’m not talking about next season or anything past this years lottery.

Oh geez, darkest in our history? that’s ridiculous- you must be a teenager or an amnesiac.

[NinjaBro]

The darkest years were the Rudy Gay era before the trade. No future no hope, Casey hell of high water. That was definitely the worst.

We need to trade Siakam for AJ Griffen before it's too late! - PhilBlackson

[Mark_83]

Can't wait to see Castle vs Sears. I have a feeling the NCAA wants a Clingan vs Edey final, but this game should still be fun even if I don't expect Alabama to win.

[VanWest82]

Medic reminding me why I had to become a full time Nash fan in the mid-2000s. That last Vince year and the trade was just the worst. It's a miracle Toronto didn't lose the team.

[tdotrep2]

I like clingan

[ill-Will03]

I disagree with all of you. In my opinion, this would be the worst. I was here for Zan Tabak, to Rob Babcock, to Masai Ujiri. This season would be super dark if the pick conveys to the Spurs. The darkest in our history.

With that said, our future has more hope that the other darkest years which is what a lot of you seem to be holding onto. I’m not talking about next season or anything past this years lottery.

And what if no one in the top 7 ends up even being an all star? Would you still feel the same way about this season?

I’ve definitely witnessed way worse seasons than this one as a raptors fan lol

[C_Money]

The darkest years were the Rudy Gay era before the trade. No future no hope, Casey hell of high water. That was definitely the worst.

We need to trade Siakam for AJ Griffen before it's too late! - PhilBlackson

For me it was the Triano/Bargnani era. I hated everybody from the players, coach and GM.

[tecumseh18]

Trading Vince Carter for Aaron and Eric Williams then selecting Charlie V and Joey Graham in the following draft while having to watch Rafael Araujo as a rookie.....that was a pretty dark time.

Leading up to that season the following things had happened:

....

Carter was the only significant Raptor to embrace the franchise at that point. Then he decides to force his way out as well. After the trade, Mourning refuses to report & is bought out.......no return.

Raps fans had taken a beating at that point. The Carter trade felt like the final blow..

Ya...this season, as weird as it has been really is nothing...lol.

Barnes/Quickley/Barrett/Dick is a great place to start the rebuild. We no longer have guys that aren't willing to report to the team because it's Canada.

Kevin O'Neil was a horrible coach and Raptors basketball was unwatchable in his time.

I remember when we had line-ups that included Robert Archibald (RIP), Jelani McCoy and Jannero Pargo...ugh...

Check my start date on this board. Early 2006, when Babcock was still GM. In one of my first games at the ACC, against Charlotte, we started Loren Woods at C. That was a bad period, but it abruptly ended when we at least made the playoffs in 2007 and 2008.

But the half decade out of the playoffs between 2009 and 2013 was DARK. For a non-playoff team, the excitement lies in the kids, the high draft picks. DeMar was never "exciting" in that sense. Some on this board even thought Sonny Weems would have a better career. Ed Davis, JV (didn't play for a year), T-Ross, never looked liked future all-stars, cuz they weren't. Flashes in the pan like Pops Mensah-Bonsu came and went. That Boy Bay looked worthy of where he had been taken in the draft ... sometimes. Alan Anderson, a bigger, less efficient version of Gary Trent Jr. The list of sub-mediocrities is endless.

James Johnson was exciting to watch, so naturally the coaches refused to play him. Too out of control. Of course, the draft pick we paid to acquire him from the Bulls the first time was used to draft ... Jimmy Butler. Can you imagine?

As assistant GM at the time, Masai got his first crack at drafting an African in he second round. Solomon Alabi - one of the worst NBA players I've ever seen. I was at the game where he got a double-double and Ben Uzoh his trip dub. It didn't even matter, the Nets were doing everything to lose short of throwing the ball at their own net. No way the Raps had the stomach to lose that game (and gain the chance to pick Dame) in front of their home crowd.

Through it all, the placid presence of Andrea Bargnani. Our #1 pick. A 7 footer who refused to rebound. A shooter who lost his ability to shoot. And then, Colangelo masterfully traded for Rudy Gay. More darkness.

So yeah, an era with "Barnes/Quickley/Barrett/Dick", plus Jakob and Ochai, and either Bruce Brown and Gary next year, or a lot of cap space. This isn't nearly as bad. Then again, the league as a whole is MUCH more talented.

[Raptorfan2012]

I disagree with all of you. In my opinion, this would be the worst. I was here for Zan Tabak, to Rob Babcock, to Masai Ujiri. This season would be super dark if the pick conveys to the Spurs. The darkest in our history.

With that said, our future has more hope that the other darkest years which is what a lot of you seem to be holding onto. I’m not talking about next season or anything past this years lottery.

You are entitled to think that way, but darkest in history is laughable. We still have the Pacers pick and 31-32 pick so there will still be some sort of young talent added. Yes, this season sucked, but off season will be very interesting to watch, and we now have a young core again to watch develop.

[RoteSchroder]

I disagree with all of you. In my opinion, this would be the worst. I was here for Zan Tabak, to Rob Babcock, to Masai Ujiri. This season would be super dark if the pick conveys to the Spurs. The darkest in our history.

With that said, our future has more hope that the other darkest years which is what a lot of you seem to be holding onto. I’m not talking about next season or anything past this years lottery.

You are entitled to think that way, but darkest in history is laughable. We still have the Pacers pick and 31-32 pick so there will still be some sort of young talent added. Yes, this season sucked, but off season will be very interesting to watch, and we now have a young core again to watch develop.

Imagine if the pick conveys and Masai does nothing with the potential capspace, but instead decides to re-sign Brown and Gary.

It would be a hell of a disappointment. Fans would be shoving remote controls up their bums with rage (some already are). But it would still be nowhere close to the pre-Masai years. Masai would need to pull out a miracle with the Indiana + Detroit picks.

[MEDIC]

I disagree with all of you. In my opinion, this would be the worst. I was here for Zan Tabak, to Rob Babcock, to Masai Ujiri. This season would be super dark if the pick conveys to the Spurs. The darkest in our history.

With that said, our future has more hope that the other darkest years which is what a lot of you seem to be holding onto. I’m not talking about next season or anything past this years lottery.

You are entitled to think that way, but darkest in history is laughable. We still have the Pacers pick and 31-32 pick so there will still be some sort of young talent added. Yes, this season sucked, but off season will be very interesting to watch, and we now have a young core again to watch develop.

Imagine if the pick conveys and Masai does nothing with the potential capspace, but instead decides to re-sign Brown and Gary.

It would be a hell of a disappointment. Fans would be shoving remote controls up their bums with rage (some already are). But it would still be nowhere close to the pre-Masai years. Masai would need to pull out a miracle with the Indiana + Detroit picks.

Tim Lieweke truly is the unsung hero/ savior of the franchise. He was the one that turned things around after years of damage caused by the Rob Babcock VC trade. The culture surrounding the franchise & the fans was a pretty bad one before he came along. He shook up the organization. Got rid of the snake oil salesman Colangelo, hired Masai & the rest is history.

[grant101]

Castle showing out! He plays like a vet. What a dog. I think this game also gets Nelson drafted. There aren't too many at his size that can move and handle the ball like he does

[WuTang_OG]

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[RoteSchroder]

Castle showing out! He plays like a vet. What a dog. I think this game also gets Nelson drafted. There aren't too many at his size that can move and handle the ball like he does

Bad news of him increasing his draft stock. Hope we get into the top 4 in that case.

Most of the consensus top ~10 players are uninteresting to me. Sarr is a bit far away offensively and his interior D doesn't seem strong enough to really be a high level anchor. Reed, Risacher, Cody Williams, Buzelis seem to have limited upside on offense and top out as role players. Dillingham needs to be really dominant on offensive to justify his defense.

[WuTang_OG]

Clingan vs Edey lets go

[MEDIC]

Clingan is pretty much a "can't miss NBA prospect. He might end up being a more impactful player than Sarr.