Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 8

[Scase]

Gordon's best PPG year in his career was almost equivalent to Barnes' rookie year total.

Gordon's been mostly a 14-16 PPG scorer even when he had higher usage in Orlando. Barnes almost sleepwalks to 20 points.

Yeah that's a bit weird of a comparison lol. But as sidsid said, I think it's more about play style and doing everything an NBA player can do to be successful. Scottie just as a better scoring touch.

Now if Scottie can pull of modern day Gordon level of efficiency, you've got yourself a bona fide #1 option right there. God I hope he comes back with a go to move next year, I feel like it's the major thing holding him back right now.

[brownbobcat]

Gordon's best PPG year in his career was almost equivalent to Barnes' rookie year total.

Gordon's been mostly a 14-16 PPG scorer even when he had higher usage in Orlando. Barnes almost sleepwalks to 20 points.

Barnes shoots more - his career TS+ is pretty close to Gordon's during his Orlando tenure. I don't know why this is being interpreted as some kind of shot at Barnes, he excels at secondary aspects of the game (with the exception of screen setting) and he doesn't have the same kind of skillset that many primary scorers do.

[OakleyDokely]

Gordon's best PPG year in his career was almost equivalent to Barnes' rookie year total.

Gordon's been mostly a 14-16 PPG scorer even when he had higher usage in Orlando. Barnes almost sleepwalks to 20 points.

Barnes shoots more - his career TS+ is pretty close to Gordon's during his Orlando tenure. I don't know why this is being interpreted as some kind of shot at Barnes, he excels at secondary aspects of the game (with the exception of screen setting) and he doesn't have the same kind of skillset that many primary scorers do.

Gordon had similar usage levels as Barnes in ORL and never got above 17 PPG.

I don't view it as a slight, just that Barnes is a step above him in terms of offensive potential.

[brownbobcat]

Gordon's best PPG year in his career was almost equivalent to Barnes' rookie year total.

Gordon's been mostly a 14-16 PPG scorer even when he had higher usage in Orlando. Barnes almost sleepwalks to 20 points.

Barnes shoots more - his career TS+ is pretty close to Gordon's during his Orlando tenure. I don't know why this is being interpreted as some kind of shot at Barnes, he excels at secondary aspects of the game (with the exception of screen setting) and he doesn't have the same kind of skillset that many primary scorers do.

Gordon had similar usage levels as Barnes in ORL and never got above 17 PPG.

I don't view it as a slight, just that Barnes is a step above him in terms of offensive potential.

I think everyone would agree, but note that TS+ is based on relative and not absolute efficiency.

[will]

I like Scottish.

Very good player.

[YogurtProducer]

Gordon's best PPG year in his career was almost equivalent to Barnes' rookie year total.

Gordon's been mostly a 14-16 PPG scorer even when he had higher usage in Orlando. Barnes almost sleepwalks to 20 points.

Barnes shoots more - his career TS+ is pretty close to Gordon's during his Orlando tenure. I don't know why this is being interpreted as some kind of shot at Barnes, he excels at secondary aspects of the game (with the exception of screen setting) and he doesn't have the same kind of skillset that many primary scorers do.

Gordon had similar usage levels as Barnes in ORL and never got above 17 PPG.

I don't view it as a slight, just that Barnes is a step above him in terms of offensive potential.

SCotties playmaking is also on another planet.

That being said - I would bet adjusted for the pace increase from 2018 (Gordons peak in ORL) to Scottie this year the 17.6ppg Gordon had and the 19.9 for Scottie would be pretty similar.

[720]

This upcoming season I want to see Scottie take his ppg to around the 22-24 range. He could easily do it if his mind worked like that. He’s a reluctant scorer, with elite passing ability. A lot of times it takes guys like that years to get to that point (look at Jokic), sometimes they never get there (Ben Simmons). The next two years will tell us a lot about his scoring trajectory.

[tsherkin]

This upcoming season I want to see Scottie take his ppg to around the 22-24 range. He could easily do it if his mind worked like that. He’s a reluctant scorer, with elite passing ability. A lot of times it takes guys like that years to get to that point (look at Jokic), sometimes they never get there (Ben Simmons). The next two years will tell us a lot.

Yeah, this upcoming season in particular should be interesting. First half Scottie was looking pretty interesting. The Siakam trade and then getting shut down after didn't help, but he had some things going on which were promising for him hitting another level. Not S-tier type stuff, but that's fine. I'd be super thrilled if Scottie could become a 22 ppg, +2% rTS guy with all the other stuff he does. We don't need him to be a 27+ ppg scorer, we just need him to be a consistent, efficient threat.

[TorontoBarneys]

I hope Scottie can come into next season slimmed down a bit, 10 lbs or so. He has no need for that bulk he's accumulated anymore. Will help him with his combo-forward future.

[Indeed]

Barnes shoots more - his career TS+ is pretty close to Gordon's during his Orlando tenure. I don't know why this is being interpreted as some kind of shot at Barnes, he excels at secondary aspects of the game (with the exception of screen setting) and he doesn't have the same kind of skillset that many primary scorers do.

Gordon had similar usage levels as Barnes in ORL and never got above 17 PPG.

I don't view it as a slight, just that Barnes is a step above him in terms of offensive potential.

SCotties playmaking is also on another planet.

That being said - I would bet adjusted for the pace increase from 2018 (Gordons peak in ORL) to Scottie this year the 17.6ppg Gordon had and the 19.9 for Scottie would be pretty similar.

Playmaking would be effective when you attract multiple defenders, otherwise, you are still resulting 1 on 1 regardless of making that pass (or playmake).

Barnes right now does not attract multiple defenders, so that strength has yet to be displayed much.

[YogurtProducer]

Gordon had similar usage levels as Barnes in ORL and never got above 17 PPG.

I don't view it as a slight, just that Barnes is a step above him in terms of offensive potential.

SCotties playmaking is also on another planet.

That being said - I would bet adjusted for the pace increase from 2018 (Gordons peak in ORL) to Scottie this year the 17.6ppg Gordon had and the 19.9 for Scottie would be pretty similar.

Playmaking would be effective when you attract multiple defenders, otherwise, you are still resulting 1 on 1 regardless of making that pass (or playmake).

Barnes right now does not attract multiple defenders, so that strength has yet to be displayed much.

I seem to recall Scottie attracting lots of help defense on his drives

[Tripod]

I hope Scottie can come into next season slimmed down a bit, 10 lbs or so. He has no need for that bulk he's accumulated anymore. Will help him with his combo-forward future.

Then they need to tell him he won't play at C anymore

[Indeed]

SCotties playmaking is also on another planet.

That being said - I would bet adjusted for the pace increase from 2018 (Gordons peak in ORL) to Scottie this year the 17.6ppg Gordon had and the 19.9 for Scottie would be pretty similar.

Playmaking would be effective when you attract multiple defenders, otherwise, you are still resulting 1 on 1 regardless of making that pass (or playmake).

Barnes right now does not attract multiple defenders, so that strength has yet to be displayed much.

I seem to recall Scottie attracting lots of help defense on his drives

I dont recall that, and only his spot up being great. Isolation and postup arent anything spectacular from NBA stats. This is the reason we can get points, but not at closing to win games.

Reference: https://www.nba.com/stats/players/playtype-post-up?CF=PLAYER_NAME*E*Barnes&SeasonType=Regular%20Season

[Scase]

Playmaking would be effective when you attract multiple defenders, otherwise, you are still resulting 1 on 1 regardless of making that pass (or playmake).

Barnes right now does not attract multiple defenders, so that strength has yet to be displayed much.

I seem to recall Scottie attracting lots of help defense on his drives

I dont recall that, and only his spot up being great. Isolation and postup arent anything spectacular from NBA stats. This is the reason we can get points, but not at closing to win games.

Reference: https://www.nba.com/stats/players/playtype-post-up?CF=PLAYER_NAME*E*Barnes&SeasonType=Regular%20Season

Scottie was seeing constant doubles after the Siakam trade.

[Indeed]

I seem to recall Scottie attracting lots of help defense on his drives

I dont recall that, and only his spot up being great. Isolation and postup arent anything spectacular from NBA stats. This is the reason we can get points, but not at closing to win games.

Reference: https://www.nba.com/stats/players/playtype-post-up?CF=PLAYER_NAME*E*Barnes&SeasonType=Regular%20Season

Scottie was seeing constant doubles after the Siakam trade.

The stats incorporated points scored from passout of the play (playmaking), and the shooting plus ORtg has been better after the trade, so are you saying his playmaking isnt there?

[Scase]

I dont recall that, and only his spot up being great. Isolation and postup arent anything spectacular from NBA stats. This is the reason we can get points, but not at closing to win games.

Reference: https://www.nba.com/stats/players/playtype-post-up?CF=PLAYER_NAME*E*Barnes&SeasonType=Regular%20Season

Scottie was seeing constant doubles after the Siakam trade.

The stats incorporated points scored from passout of the play (playmaking), and the shooting plus ORtg has been better after the trade, so are you saying his playmaking isnt there?

Whatever point you are trying to make, is incomprehensible.

[DatHomieYouHaTe]

I hope Scottie can come into next season slimmed down a bit, 10 lbs or so. He has no need for that bulk he's accumulated anymore. Will help him with his combo-forward future.

Ya, he's gonna go on a vegan diet just for you.

[Thaddy]

Barnes should be the SF going forward and a perimeter player. I would consider starting Poeltl and Olynyk.

Poeltl - Filipowski (19)
Olynyk - Klintman (31)
Barnes - Agbaji
Barrett - Dick
Quickely - Brown

[Scase]

Barnes should be the SF going forward and a perimeter player. I would consider starting Poeltl and Olynyk.

Poeltl - Filipowski (19)
Olynyk - Klintman (31)
Barnes - Agbaji
Barrett - Dick
Quickely - Brown

I like this idea, it gets us right back in the high lotto where we need to be.

[Scase]

Scottie showing the results of his surgery.

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