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2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 4

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Re: 2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 4 

Post#701 » by dohboy_24 » Tue May 14, 2024 7:10 pm

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TorontoBarneys wrote:Grizzlies are reportedly shopping #9 pick for an upgrade at C.

Poeltl for #9? Would Masai go for it?

No


The trade to acquire Poeltl:
Khem Birch + 2024 1st round pick (#8 - TBD) + 2023 second round pick (#44 - Sidy Cissoko) + 2025 second round pick (TBD)

If we could trade Poeltl for the #9 pick in the same draft we'd only be dropping down one spot from the Spurs pick, so what else would Memphis need to add to the deal to make up for what we gave up in the original deal (Birch + 2 second rounders)?

Considering the Steven Adams trade exception ($12.6 million), players and contracts Memphis could add to the deal, I think Masai would pick up the phone and listen to what they have to offer if they value Poeltl as a C to compliment JJJ and play alongside Ja Morant, Marcus Smart, and Desmond Bane in the starting lineup more than what they can get at #9 in the draft and these players can continue to contribute as role players off the bench:

Brandon Clarke: #21 pick in the 2019 draft | 6'8", 215 lbs | 11 pts, 5 rebs, 1 ast | $12.5 million (2024-25) with 2 years remaining
Luke Kennard: #12 pick in the 2017 draft | 6'5", 205 lbs | 11 pts, 3 reb, 4 ast | $14.7 million (2024-25) with 0 years remaining
GG Jackson: #45 pick in the 2023 draft | 6'9", 210 lbs | 15 pts, 4 reb, 1 ast | $1.9 million (2024-25) with 2 years remaining
Vince Williams Jr: #47 pick in the 2022 draft | 6'4", 205 lbs | 10 pts, 6 reb, 3 ast | $2.1 million (2024-25) with 2 years remaining
Jake LaRavia: #19 pick in the 2022 draft | 6'8", 235 lbs | 10 pts, 4 reb, 2 ast | $3.3 million (2024-25) with 1 years remaining
Santi Aldama: #30 pick in the 2021 draft | 6'11", 225 lbs | 10 pts, 6 reb, 2 ast | $3.9 million (2024-25) with 0 years remaining
Ziaire Williams: #10 pick in the 2021 draft | 6'9", 215 lbs | 8 pts, 3 reb, 1 ast | $6.1 million (2024-25) with 0 years remaining

Considering Jakob Poeltl makes $19.5 million (2024-25) with 2 years remaining on his contract, there are lots of combinations the Raptors could work with to make a deal that would include almost any combination of the above players expect for Clarke and Kennard together since the $$ wouldn't work without Bruce Brown being added to the deal.

Should the Raptors be willing to include Bruce Brown along with Jakob Poeltl in any deal with the Grizzlies, a deal that would include all of the above players would still work under the CBA, so I think Memphis would make an ideal trade partner with many different options Masai and Bobby could consider to improve the long-term potential of the team.
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G: Ja'Kobe Walter, Bub Carrington, AJ Johnson, Trey Alexander, Cam Christie
F: Tidjane Salaun, Trentyn Flowers, Kyshawn George, Michael Ajayi, Jaylen Wells
C: Ulrich Chomche, Kel'el Ware, Kyle Filipowski, Yves Missi, Adem Bona
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Post#702 » by LoveMyRaps » Tue May 14, 2024 7:12 pm

Is Bronny getting drafted in the first round?
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Post#703 » by grant101 » Tue May 14, 2024 7:14 pm

I feel like this is exactly what I've been saying for a while! I'd add Jaylen Wells to the list.
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I wonder if Portland would consider 31 for 34 & 40
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Post#704 » by ItsDanger » Tue May 14, 2024 7:19 pm

Ighodaro very smart player. Most teams should at least be interested as 3rd C.
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Post#705 » by aminiaturebuddha » Tue May 14, 2024 7:20 pm

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I ve fallen in love with his game as well


Still haven't made up my mind about Bub. For fans of his, are you not worried that he almost never gets enough separation to get to the rim and leans a little too much on that pull-up? Do you think it's something that gets sorted as he learns the game more and adds strength?

Not to mention his defense and shot selection leave a lot to be desired. Yes, he hits tough shots off the dribble, but at terrible percentages and on volume. A lot of that is out of necessity cause his teammates aren’t that good, but is he going to be able to make better decisions as a 3rd or 4th option on the floor to start his career and still be effective? This is reminding me of the Terquavion Smith hype from a year ago, which shows just how desperate we are for shot-makers.

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I don't see much of a comparison at all. Terquavion Smith was basically a pure scorer with no point guard skills that also happened to be one of the slightest players in combine history. He measured out at 6'2.25 and 165 pounds. Carrington at least has basic PG skills and just measured at 6'3.75 and 195 pounds.

I agree that I'd like to see Carrington get all the way to the hoop more, but I think it's something that he can be taught to improve on, unlike Smith, who was just way too small to battle in the paint.

As for his defence, he obviously makes a lot of mistakes, as you would expect for almost every 18-year-old, but when he digs in, I actually see someone with a bunch of potential to be a long-armed point of attack defender. When he's locked in, he can really stay in front of his man, and I've seen him do a great job of fighting around screens. He just needs to work on consistency which, again, you should expect for kid who will play his whole rookie season at 19-years-old.

He's not my favourite of the guys I like who might be available at our range, but I like him, and he's definitely on the list.
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Post#706 » by Thaddy » Tue May 14, 2024 7:21 pm

Poeltl isn't going to be traded. The management wants to compete next season and they will only turn to development if the first half goes bad.

They'll probably try offering Brown for a pick in the late lottery and justify the cost with how weak the draft is.
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Post#707 » by dohboy_24 » Tue May 14, 2024 7:29 pm

LoveMyRaps wrote:Is Bronny getting drafted in the first round?


Despite the impressive measurements and shooting displayed on Day 1, he didn't perform as well in the game he played today:

https://www.sportingnews.com/ca/nba/news/bronny-james-live-stats-nba-draft-combine-2024-scrimmage/07b9b0dddcc9ccd835893102

LeBron has moved away from his earlier statements about playing with Bronny and has shifted his comments to finding a team that would be the right fit for his development and growth as a player.

Considering the teams selecting after our pick at #19, who among them would be ideal for Bronny's development or fit the original plan (team that drafts Bronny gets LeBron)?

Cleveland (#20) - Father and son go back to Cleveland to help Spida and the Cavs win a title
New Orleans (#21) - LeBron and Bronny team up with Zion + BI + CJ to push for a franchise first Finals appearance
Phoenix (#22) - LeBron and Bronny team up with KD + Beal + Booker to form the ultimate superteam
Milwaukee (#23) - LeBron and Bronny go to the Bucks to play with Giannis + Dame
New York (#24/#25) - LeBron and Bronny in the Mecca of basketball
Washington (#26) - LeBron + Bronny + #2 pick = the new age MJ vet move a la Kwame Brown
Minnesota (#27) - LeBron + Bronny + Ant-Man to get to the Finals (assuming they don't already this year)
Denver (#28) - LeBron + Bronny + former champs (if they repeat or not - the storyline could work either way)
Utah (#29) - LeBron + Bronny in the land of mountains, dirty sodas, and LDS to help the Jazz win a championship
Boston (#30) - LeBron + Bronny playing for the Lakers rivals - the Celtics - alongside KP, Tatum, and Brown
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G: Ja'Kobe Walter, Bub Carrington, AJ Johnson, Trey Alexander, Cam Christie
F: Tidjane Salaun, Trentyn Flowers, Kyshawn George, Michael Ajayi, Jaylen Wells
C: Ulrich Chomche, Kel'el Ware, Kyle Filipowski, Yves Missi, Adem Bona
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Post#710 » by manjusaka » Tue May 14, 2024 7:41 pm

Don’t think Carter will last till 19th. He looks like a late lottery pick to me right now.
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Post#711 » by BoyzNTheHood » Tue May 14, 2024 7:44 pm

manjusaka wrote:Don’t think Carter will last till 19th. He looks like a late lottery pick to me right now.

We needed those coin flips to go our way.
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Post#712 » by Dalek » Tue May 14, 2024 7:45 pm

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AJ stood out considering he is only 19. But, he was not just looking to score, he ran point as well and looked like he could get to any spot he wanted to on the floor.
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Post#713 » by Rapsfan07 » Tue May 14, 2024 7:47 pm

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I think Poeltl will eventually get dealt just not this off-season. In their eyes, they need a functional centre in order to improve guys like IQ, Scottie, RJ.


We can grab Capela from the Hawks then. He does basically the same thing, shorter contract and with the Hawks poised to take Sarr and already committed to Okongwu, they won't need him anymore.

S&T Trent for Capela and maybe a smaller asset.


They won't need Poeltl either. If he was making less, maybe.

Only deal for Poeltl is if Grizz up the anty for him and force TOR's hand


I meant Grizz get Poeltl, Capela to Raps.
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Post#714 » by Rapsfan07 » Tue May 14, 2024 7:52 pm

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We can grab Capela from the Hawks then. He does basically the same thing, shorter contract and with the Hawks poised to take Sarr and already committed to Okongwu, they won't need him anymore.

S&T Trent for Capela and maybe a smaller asset.


They won't need Poeltl either. If he was making less, maybe.

Only deal for Poeltl is if Grizz up the anty for him and force TOR's hand


After Atlanta drafts Sarr, they salary dump Capela with a 2025 2nd pick and cash to us. :nod:

The difference between #1 and #11's salaries probably wasn't being considered. I guess trading Trae would help with finances.


Better yet, they can have Trent too.

It would need to be two deals - Brown for Hunter & SAC 1st (Toronto taking on significant longterm salary). Then Trent S&T for Capela + 2nd. ATL gets a shooter for a guy they weren't going to keep anyway. We move Poeltl for a package including #9 from Memphis. Atlanta can now move Trae for Ingram.
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Post#715 » by WuTang_OG » Tue May 14, 2024 7:54 pm

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WuTang_OG wrote:
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We can grab Capela from the Hawks then. He does basically the same thing, shorter contract and with the Hawks poised to take Sarr and already committed to Okongwu, they won't need him anymore.

S&T Trent for Capela and maybe a smaller asset.


They won't need Poeltl either. If he was making less, maybe.

Only deal for Poeltl is if Grizz up the anty for him and force TOR's hand


I meant Grizz get Poeltl, Capela to Raps.


Dont think ATL would get involved. Sarr still too young needs some grooming.
Poeltl likely not moved until next off-season
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Post#716 » by Rapsfan07 » Tue May 14, 2024 7:54 pm

grant101 wrote:I feel like this is exactly what I've been saying for a while! I'd add Jaylen Wells to the list.
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I wonder if Portland would consider 31 for 34 & 40


I wouldn't personally but that's because I like Simpson and 31 is our best chance at him.
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Post#717 » by pharring » Tue May 14, 2024 8:04 pm

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Was hoping for a good Djurisic showing.
Looks like he played the least and put up a bunch of zero's with 4pts and 4 fouls.
Still... was not a negative in on/off.
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Post#718 » by _MidNight_ » Tue May 14, 2024 8:24 pm

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Wow he grew! Someone said his previous official measurements were 6'4.5"

If this is true he's now a legit 6'7" in shoes :-o
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Post#719 » by grant101 » Tue May 14, 2024 8:25 pm

Rapsfan07 wrote:
Psubs wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:
They won't need Poeltl either. If he was making less, maybe.

Only deal for Poeltl is if Grizz up the anty for him and force TOR's hand


After Atlanta drafts Sarr, they salary dump Capela with a 2025 2nd pick and cash to us. :nod:

The difference between #1 and #11's salaries probably wasn't being considered. I guess trading Trae would help with finances.


Better yet, they can have Trent too.

It would need to be two deals - Brown for Hunter & SAC 1st (Toronto taking on significant longterm salary. Then Trent S&T for Capela + 2nd. ATL gets a shooter for a guy they weren't going to keep anyway. We move Poeltl for a package including #9 from Memphis. Atlanta can now move Trae for Ingram.


Assuming we can trade Poeltl for value, this makes sense to me. Not sure Atlanta bites or our FO pulls the trigger. Still, a cool thought experiment. I really like the Trent S&T idea.
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