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J Givony scouts Ettore Messina for us 

Post#1 » by dagger » Wed Dec 3, 2008 11:56 pm

The wound is still fresh, but JG of Draftexpress is in Moscow and worked our coaching opening into his analysis of Ettore Messina and CSKA Moscow.

Enjoy. Those who don't know much about Messina can start forming some opinions.

http://www.draftexpress.com/blog/Jonathan-Givony/


-The intensity level was extremely high for every minute of action seen in practice here. The sessions were short, no more than 60 to 75 minutes at most, but the players were working constantly, either on game-situations, such as 3 on 2 transition drills (5 seconds or less per possession) or breaking a full-court press [a big key against Milan], individual skill-work with guards and post-players separated (short one on one matchups with the defender closing out in the post or on the perimeter), or long stretches of 5 on 5 play dedicated to using just a specific half-court set.

-Messina is nothing if not a perfectionist, and he demands flawless execution from his players in everything they do. His presence is felt everywhere on the court, as he’s in constant motion, bringing a huge amount of energy to every moment of action. He is not afraid to get in any one of his players faces, from the youngest player to the oldest, for making even the slightest mistake, raising his tone frequently, but always doing so in a concise and professional manner—never in petty or sarcastic fashion. “Just do your [effing] job!” he demanded, on at least a dozen occasions.

-The attention to detail was extremely evident. The ball must move crisply around the court at all times, off-ball movement is constant, passes should be made with purpose, players must box out on every possession and read the happenings on the court with the utmost concentration, every finish around the basket must be made immediately, and most importantly, the players need to put a huge amount of pride into their work on the defensive end, especially off the ball.

We’re not talking about rocket science obviously-- just the fundamentals of basketball--but the means and consistency of the message--along with the respect that the source has managed to garner throughout the years-- eventually hammers the point across.

-As quick as he is to criticize, Messina isn’t afraid to offer praise. “Bravo” he offers up on every other possession, particularly rewarding his players for a good defensive effort, a smart pass, a solid screen, or an unselfish play that contributes to the team’s effort. Messages are short and to the point, and very little time is wasted in-between action.

-The question of whether this style of coaching would fly in the NBA didn’t take too long to come up in my mind, as the average American player (particularly the stars) just isn’t used to the amount of nitpicking on every minute detail that is found here. It’s just a difference of culture between American and European basketball more than anything—one that starts in high school and AAU, continues in college and is very difficult to squelch once they reach the professional level. It’s no secret that some players don’t take criticism very well, and you at times feel like some NBA coaches are at times a bit scared of hammering a point across too forcefully, as if not to have their star player or players turn against them.

-The reason this is important is because if any European coach gets hired by an NBA team in the near future, there is a good chance it will be Ettore Messina. With a very intriguing job just having opened up in Toronto—a European-style city with a European friendly roster and front office—it’s only natural to wonder whether Messina will get the call when the season is over. It’s widely expected at this point that he will be moving onto a new situation this summer (only the incompetence of Barcelona’s ownership kept him from taking that job last year already), and along with Armani Jeans Milano (a strong possibly according to rumors) his name could very well come up for NBA openings too.

-As good of a job as Messina does, we can’t ignore the depth of talent he has at his disposal. The roster has been constructed with a huge amount of emphasis on experience, character, skill and professionalism. Players like Trajan Langdon (in particular), Ramunas Siskauskas, Nikolaos Zisis, Viktor Khryapa and others looked incredibly focused on what their role is here on the team, executing crisply, making open shots, defending with intensity, and always looking out for their teammates. They don’t make much noise, but their presence is constantly felt, and that’s a huge reason why CSKA’s well-oiled machine’s is able to run so smoothly—especially when these players are signed to long-term contracts (another rarity in Europe) and brought back year after year, bringing incredibly important continuity and chemistry to the roster.
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Post#2 » by halfcourt » Wed Dec 3, 2008 11:57 pm

Messina would be the best thing that would happen to this team since the drafting of Chris Bosh
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Post#3 » by 5DOM » Wed Dec 3, 2008 11:59 pm

I really like what I am hearing
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Post#4 » by sh00n » Wed Dec 3, 2008 11:59 pm

halfcourt wrote:Messina would be the best thing that would happen to this team since the drafting of Chris Bosh

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Post#5 » by alpha » Thu Dec 4, 2008 12:02 am

The next D`antoni
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Post#6 » by kingr » Thu Dec 4, 2008 12:03 am

Hmm... Sounds alright.
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Post#7 » by Trilogy » Thu Dec 4, 2008 12:03 am

If we get Messina next offseason...

Brilliant.
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Post#8 » by Koosh » Thu Dec 4, 2008 12:05 am

He's better than D'Antoni.

This is going to happen and I can't wait to see how we perform next season.
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Post#9 » by 99 Problems » Thu Dec 4, 2008 12:06 am

Messina is nothing if not a perfectionist, and he demands flawless execution from his players in everything they do. His presence is felt everywhere on the court, as he’s in constant motion, bringing a huge amount of energy to every moment of action. He is not afraid to get in any one of his players faces, from the youngest player to the oldest, for making even the slightest mistake, raising his tone frequently, but always doing so in a concise and professional manner—never in petty or sarcastic fashion. “Just do your [effing] job!” he demanded, on at least a dozen occasions.


Think NBA players will go for that? He sounds like a tougher version of Stan Van Gundy.. These kinds of guys get tuned out real quick in the NBA..He's going to have to adjust to the different atmosphere and culture in the NBA if he wants to be successful, and that's why it would be useful if he could start as an assistant or at least observe the NBA closely for a while.. I doubt anybody will give a rookie Euro coach with a hardass attitude their total respect..
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Post#10 » by swirsk » Thu Dec 4, 2008 12:06 am

The attention to detail was extremely evident. The ball must move crisply around the court at all times, off-ball movement is constant, passes should be made with purpose, players must box out on every possession and read the happenings on the court with the utmost concentration, every finish around the basket must be made immediately, and most importantly, the players need to put a huge amount of pride into their work on the defensive end, especially off the ball.


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Post#11 » by Supercollider » Thu Dec 4, 2008 12:09 am

Will NBA players be responsive to his coaching style? I'm skeptical. I'm also leery of the Raptors hiring a coach with no NBA experience.
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Post#12 » by The Letter V » Thu Dec 4, 2008 12:09 am

I would've liked the article to give us more of an in depth look at Messina's philosophies and how they might translate to the NBA rather than an assesment of his demeanour.
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Post#13 » by Hendrix » Thu Dec 4, 2008 12:09 am

Didn't notice this thread, but I posted another thread with some excellent articles by Messina. About his adjustments during hte Euroleague final 4, and defensive principals.
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Post#14 » by Bankai » Thu Dec 4, 2008 12:10 am

Messina is an excellent choice. Problem is, he already stated he still loves where he is in the Euroleague and has no intention of coming to the NBA now.
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Post#15 » by traps#10 » Thu Dec 4, 2008 12:11 am

Sounds like a real mastermind. Hopefully he'll be offered the position here. We really need a coach who can really out-think their opponent and not a coach who only relies on the player's performance that particular nite.
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Post#16 » by Hummus » Thu Dec 4, 2008 12:12 am

there's no way Messina would or could leave in the middle of the season. If he's coming over, won't be until next year.
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Post#17 » by dagger » Thu Dec 4, 2008 12:12 am

Warya wrote:
Messina is nothing if not a perfectionist, and he demands flawless execution from his players in everything they do. His presence is felt everywhere on the court, as he’s in constant motion, bringing a huge amount of energy to every moment of action. He is not afraid to get in any one of his players faces, from the youngest player to the oldest, for making even the slightest mistake, raising his tone frequently, but always doing so in a concise and professional manner—never in petty or sarcastic fashion. “Just do your [effing] job!” he demanded, on at least a dozen occasions.


Think NBA players will go for that? He sounds like a tougher version of Stan Van Gundy.. These kinds of guys get tuned out real quick in the NBA..He's going to have to adjust to the different atmosphere and culture in the NBA if he wants to be successful, and that's why it would be useful if he could start as an assistant or at least observe the NBA closely for a while.. I doubt anybody will give a rookie Euro coach with a hardass attitude their total respect..



That would be the subject of great debate here. Bosh is the star, he's also the hardest worker in practice and intense about winning. I think he would set the tone for others. Bargnani played for Messina, albeit as a 17 year old. I'm sure Roko would find it pretty much normal, and if AP returns, he'd be okay with Messina's system. Probably Jose, too. Joey and Kapono if they are around would see something to gain personally, so we are basically left wondering about Moon (I think he'd have trouble), Humphries (there is no room for Hump-will-be-Hump in Messina's world, just as there wasn't in Jerry Sloan's world. I don't know about JO.
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Post#18 » by Los Manos » Thu Dec 4, 2008 12:13 am

Warya wrote:
Messina is nothing if not a perfectionist, and he demands flawless execution from his players in everything they do. His presence is felt everywhere on the court, as he’s in constant motion, bringing a huge amount of energy to every moment of action. He is not afraid to get in any one of his players faces, from the youngest player to the oldest, for making even the slightest mistake, raising his tone frequently, but always doing so in a concise and professional manner—never in petty or sarcastic fashion. “Just do your [effing] job!” he demanded, on at least a dozen occasions.


Think NBA players will go for that? He sounds like a tougher version of Stan Van Gundy.. These kinds of guys get tuned out real quick in the NBA..He's going to have to adjust to the different atmosphere and culture in the NBA if he wants to be successful, and that's why it would be useful if he could start as an assistant or at least observe the NBA closely for a while.. I doubt anybody will give a rookie Euro coach with a hardass attitude their total respect..


Messina has the respect of every coach in the NBA. And yes, he would have to adjust slightly but that's no reason why he can't be an NBA head coach right now.
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Post#19 » by Hendrix » Thu Dec 4, 2008 12:14 am

Thread with a lot of info on Messina.

viewtopic.php?f=32&t=858176
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Post#20 » by halfcourt » Thu Dec 4, 2008 12:15 am

Bankai wrote:Messina is an excellent choice. Problem is, he already stated he still loves where he is in the Euroleague and has no intention of coming to the NBA now.

i'm sure he does but it would be hard to turn down an offer to coach in the best league in the world with some of the best players in the world

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