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Draft Countdown: James Harden

Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 12:21 pm
by supersub15
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James Harden
Shooting Guard (Rank: #4) | 6-4, 215 | Age: 19
Arizona State (Sophomore)

Positives:
•Can flat-out score
•Possesses a killer jumper with deep range
•Crafty player who knows how to get to basket
•Good NBA body, long arms and strength
•High basketball IQ

Negatives:
•Undersized for position
•Not an explosive athlete
•Lacks lateral quickness
•Not particularly gifted as a ball handler or defender
•So-so midrange game

Main College Stats:

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TS%   Ast%   TOV%   DRB%
0.607 29.2   18.9   14.8


Topics of discussion:
- Is he your SG of choice in the draft? (he's mine!!)
- Closest NBA player comparison
- Will he solidify our SG rotation with Delfino and Parker?
- etc.

Re: Draft Countdown: James Harden

Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 12:41 pm
by Freeway
I see alot of Paul Pierce in Harden. His body shape (baby fat/chubbyness) The crafty ways he gets at the hoop all remind me of Paul. I remember when we was coming out of kansas every one said he was was not athletic enough or a good defender. But he turned out to pretty athletic and a good defender or above average to say the least.

I am not really worried about James height so much if he is a legitment 6-4

If by some miracle he falls to use i would sure hpe we take him. He will make a good future 2 guard beside our bigs

Re: Draft Countdown: James Harden

Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 12:41 pm
by Live Free
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H64rKHfSwww

his craft kind of reminds me of paul pierce, hes not quick or really explosive yet gets anywhere he wants to in the paint with his crossovers and gets his shot off anywhere

he can get to the paint by will and cause foul trouble because hes a great finisher inside

his game would really compliment Chris's

Assuming we're picking 9th this is the person we should target in the draft, whether we move up or make a draft day deal.

Get Er' Done BC 8-)

Re: Draft Countdown: James Harden

Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 12:55 pm
by anj
Harden really is the third-best prospect in this draft.

His height shouldn't be an issue because of his long arms and thickness. He might get beat off the dribble a bit too much, but there are only a single handful of players that can guard NBA twos with their quickness - if Harden gets the concept of positioning on D, his strength should temper his lack of quickness.

And as stated so many times before, he is a Paul Pierce TYPE of scorer. He can get to the basket, hit a mid-range J, knock down a three - he's also an excellent passer - everything you want in a two-guard. If the Raps have the chance to draft him, they flat-out have to.

Re: Draft Countdown: James Harden

Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 1:10 pm
by rapsrealm
Definitely the best 2-guard in the draft. Unlike the prospects before him where people are like we should draft player x and trade someone from our current roster (Bosh/Calderon) I think Harden can come in and a rotation of Harden/Parker/Delfino would be quite decent.

Re: Draft Countdown: James Harden

Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 1:26 pm
by Kid Canada
Draftexpress and nbadraft.net have him at 6'5? He looks taller than 6'4.

Re: Draft Countdown: James Harden

Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 1:41 pm
by Sid the Squid
Harden flopped when the lights came on...I liked him as a top4 pick before that..Now I'm not so sure.. I'd pick DeRozan over him..Maybe Evans too..

Re: Draft Countdown: James Harden

Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 2:04 pm
by Avenger
easily the best SG and third best prospect in the draft

Re: Draft Countdown: James Harden

Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 2:08 pm
by chsh22
Sid the Squid wrote:Harden flopped when the lights came on...I liked him as a top4 pick before that..Now I'm not so sure.. I'd pick DeRozan over him..Maybe Evans too..

He choked a few times in the season before the tournament too. I'm not totally sold on him, but then again, we don't necessarily need that go-to last minute scorer, we just need an offensive threat that Bosh or Bargnani can get the ball to.

Re: Draft Countdown: James Harden

Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 2:11 pm
by Raps in 4
Sid the Squid wrote:Harden flopped when the lights came on...I liked him as a top4 pick before that..Now I'm not so sure.. I'd pick DeRozan over him..Maybe Evans too..


Bosh chokes all the time too, big deal.

Re: Draft Countdown: James Harden

Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 2:32 pm
by Gruel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKO7ssrBLkU

Pretty athletic there. I think he's underrated in tha regard.

Re: Draft Countdown: James Harden

Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 2:37 pm
by diggity_88
Freeway wrote:I see alot of Paul Pierce in Harden. His body shape (baby fat/chubbyness) The crafty ways he gets at the hoop all remind me of Paul. I remember when we was coming out of kansas every one said he was was not athletic enough or a good defender. But he turned out to pretty athletic and a good defender or above average to say the least.

I am not really worried about James height so much if he is a legitment 6-4

If by some miracle he falls to use i would sure hpe we take him. He will make a good future 2 guard beside our bigs


Ya, I see alot of Pierce in him. The only difference between both of there games, that sets Pierce to the next level, is his post game.. which I think is the best in the NBA for a 2/3 guard, him and Carmelo.
If Harden could get that mid range, post up game... look out.

But, i'd say he's a mixture between Paul Pierce and John Salmons. Mix a poor mans Pierce and Salmons together, and you get James Harden.

Re: Draft Countdown: James Harden

Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 3:21 pm
by ATLTimekeeper
He's the best prospect at the 2, and the best overall fit for the Raptors in this draft. He's the only player I'd consider trading up for, although I think we're pretty much tapped out in terms of tradeable assets, so I guess I can only hope he slides.

Re: Draft Countdown: James Harden

Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 3:35 pm
by RJ2392

Re: Draft Countdown: James Harden

Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 3:38 pm
by basketball royalty
I can see the Pierce comparisons except that Pierce is probably a good 2" taller with better wingspan. I wouldn't put him at the 3 unless we are going small ball for a short span, but he is a legit 2 and can handle the ball and get to the line which is a must for us. Also, he is young but seems mature beyond his years in that he plays smart and lets the game come to him, I think it kind of hurt him in the tourny but overall it is a good attribute to have.

He tops my list but I doubt we can grab him outside of a trade or winning a top 3 pick in the lottery.

Re: Draft Countdown: James Harden

Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 3:39 pm
by ZeriousLy
He's not undersized, I'd say he's 6'5 and thats solid for an SG. Also, IMO he has very good handles, which enables him to get to the paint easily.

I agree with some people in this thread that his athleticism is underrated because he's a really unselfish player and once he gets into the paint he usually passes the ball to his teammate instead of trying to finish it.

I would compare him to a John Salmons without the defense, yet.

Re: Draft Countdown: James Harden

Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 3:43 pm
by Rhettmatic
I'd love to nab Harden.

Re: Draft Countdown: James Harden

Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 3:51 pm
by Undefeated
His stock will drop even more during the combine seeing as scouts won’t be impressed with his athleticism compare to DeRozan, Evans and Jennings add that with his poor performance during the NCAA tournament.

Hopefully, if he falls down to the Raptors (9th) then he’ll be steal of the draft.

Re: Draft Countdown: James Harden

Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 3:52 pm
by basketball royalty
Undefeated wrote:His stock will drop even more during the combine seeing as scouts won’t be impressed with his athleticism compare to DeRozan, Evans and Jennings add that with his poor performance during the NCAA tournament.

Hopefully, if he falls down to the Raptors (9th) then he’ll be steal of the draft.



Pierce fell to 10th, so it is possible.

Re: Draft Countdown: James Harden

Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 4:09 pm
by Raps in 4
basketball royalty wrote:
Undefeated wrote:His stock will drop even more during the combine seeing as scouts won’t be impressed with his athleticism compare to DeRozan, Evans and Jennings add that with his poor performance during the NCAA tournament.

Hopefully, if he falls down to the Raptors (9th) then he’ll be steal of the draft.



Pierce fell to 10th, so it is possible.


I don't know who was in Pierce's draft class, but it was probably a lot deeper than this years. I'd say there's no chance he drops to us.