*Updated* Turkoglu's usage rate is lowest in 5 years!

Post #1 » by **Double Helix** » Fri Nov 20, 2009 3:35 pm

Hedo Turkoglu's usage rate for the Raptors thus far is 18.57.
In Orlando, his usage rates were:

2008-2009 - 23.0
2007-2008 - 24.8
2006-2007 - 21.7
2005-2006 - 20.6
2004-2005 - 24.8
2003-2004 - 18.1 (San Antonio Spurs)
2002-2003 - 18.4 (Sacramento)

EDITED (January 22, 2010) The NBA league average for USG with SFs right now is 20.18

For a point forward with ball handling and passing skills that's simply unacceptable. He is quite easily the most versatile and least one-dimensional offensive weapon on our team. With the commitment we've made to him we should probably give him even more opportunity with the ball than he's had in the past.

If you sort by USG rate on Hoopdata, Turk's on the 5th page. He is being underused and needs to become a bigger part of our offence.

http://hoopdata.com/advancedstats.aspx

wtcantfw · Post #2 » by **wtcantfw** » Fri Nov 20, 2009 3:38 pm

We're still running most of the offense through Jose. When we signed Hedo, I pictured him doing most of the ball handling with Jose used mostly as a spot up shooter. Not sure why Triano hasn't gone to this more.

RocLaFamilia · Post #3 » by **RocLaFamilia** » Fri Nov 20, 2009 3:38 pm

Commence the Jose BASHING!!!

Post #4 » by **Schad** » Fri Nov 20, 2009 3:39 pm

I'd love to see some more pick-and-roll with Turkoglu and Bosh; they haven't run it frequently, but goodness is it ever effective when they do. Tonight wouldn't be a bad game for it, either, as it'll likely see Richardson and O'Neal matched up on Hedo and Bosh, respectively.

trick · Post #5 » by **trick** » Fri Nov 20, 2009 3:39 pm

two things:
1. He's still finding his spots on this team seeing as how it's his first year with a chockfull of new players.
2. His current hip problem probably limits what he can and can't do since the road trip started

djsunyc · Post #6 » by **djsunyc** » Fri Nov 20, 2009 3:40 pm

give it time...he hasn't been 100% healthy and we're still trying to figure out where everyone fits.

Reignman · Post #7 » by **Reignman** » Fri Nov 20, 2009 3:41 pm

Hedo needs to demand the ball more. I know he's still finding his place on this team but he needs to realize he's our 2nd best player.

The coaching staff needs to pound it into Jose's head as well that he needs to give up the rock. I still see him going backwards to get the ball when we should be pushing it up the floor.

TheDunc · Post #8 » by **TheDunc** » Fri Nov 20, 2009 3:48 pm

Its pretty dissapointing to be honest. Im not impressed by Hedo at all so far. Its kind of scary to know that we have 55 million invested into him. I hope triano figures out how to use him properly

JosesChneseShoe · Post #9 » by **JosesChneseShoe** » Fri Nov 20, 2009 3:53 pm

Its pretty obvious why....Jose is a control freak. Plain and simple.

He's methodical in his ways and feels he needs to be the one to control the offense. Granted, our offense has been stellar but this proves he refuses to give up the ball as much as he should. Guys like Hedo need to get into a rhythm and with Jose....its almost impossible.

Ted Lasso · Post #10 » by **Ted Lasso** » Fri Nov 20, 2009 3:53 pm

Reignman wrote:The coaching staff needs to pound it into Jose's head as well that he needs to give up the rock.

Or Jay could simply call more plays where Hedo is featured, which would directly lead to Jose giving up the rock. Another option; We could pound it into your head that Calderon doesn't get to decide which play to run on offence or whether to go under screens on defence so you can stop pretending he does.

Tim Horton · Post #11 » by **Tim Horton** » Fri Nov 20, 2009 3:53 pm

Point Forward

gerrit4 · Post #12 » by **gerrit4** » Fri Nov 20, 2009 3:54 pm

Seriously, Hedo is the best PG on this team. I'd be happy to run the offense through him the all the time.

Ted Lasso · Post #13 » by **Ted Lasso** » Fri Nov 20, 2009 3:56 pm

I'm all for more elbow pick and rolls involving Hedo and Chris or Andrea. We do have a lot of mouths to feed on offence though, not just in terms of shots but also actual ball time.

Post #14 » by **Rhettmatic** » Fri Nov 20, 2009 3:58 pm

Chandler Bing wrote:
Reignman wrote:The coaching staff needs to pound it into Jose's head as well that he needs to give up the rock.

Or Jay could simply call more plays where Hedo is featured, which would directly lead to Jose giving up the rock. Another option; We could pound it into your head that Calderon doesn't get to decide which play to run on offence or whether to go under screens on defence so you can stop pretending he does.

Hmm, but I do distinctly remember Jay Triano making a big deal when he took over last year about not wanting to call plays every time down the floor. And he took that stance specifically because he wanted Jose to be a little less predictable and push the pace more.

And, as others have pointed out, Jose usually runs back to grab the ball even when Hedo is bringing it up.

Scott Carefoot · Post #15 » by **Scott Carefoot** » Fri Nov 20, 2009 4:02 pm

This is on Triano. He should be calling plays where Jose brings the ball up and then IMMEDIATELY hands off to Turkoglu. The biggest positive I saw from this acquisition was the possibility that Calderon might have more opportunities to score with Hedo setting him up. Clearly, that's not happening, although it doesn't help that Jose's 3P% is way down so far this season.

ATLTimekeeper · Post #16 » by **ATLTimekeeper** » Fri Nov 20, 2009 4:06 pm

Our offense is working pretty well. Hard to argue that he needs the ball more for us to put up points.

Ted Lasso · Post #17 » by **Ted Lasso** » Fri Nov 20, 2009 4:06 pm

Rhettmatic wrote:
Chandler Bing wrote:
Reignman wrote:The coaching staff needs to pound it into Jose's head as well that he needs to give up the rock.

Or Jay could simply call more plays where Hedo is featured, which would directly lead to Jose giving up the rock. Another option; We could pound it into your head that Calderon doesn't get to decide which play to run on offence or whether to go under screens on defence so you can stop pretending he does.

Hmm, but I do distinctly remember Jay Triano making a big deal when he took over last year about not wanting to call plays every time down the floor. And he took that stance specifically because he wanted Jose to be a little less predictable and push the pace more.

And, as others have pointed out, Jose usually runs back to grab the ball even when Hedo is bringing it up.

Jay has made a number of "points". He still calls plays as often as the average NBA coach. Jose is not Peyton Manning.

ATLTimekeeper · Post #18 » by **ATLTimekeeper** » Fri Nov 20, 2009 4:11 pm

Scott Carefoot wrote:This is on Triano. He should be calling plays where Jose brings the ball up and then IMMEDIATELY hands off to Turkoglu. The biggest positive I saw from this acquisition was the possibility that Calderon might have more opportunities to score with Hedo setting him up. Clearly, that's not happening, although it doesn't help that Jose's 3P% is way down so far this season.

Yeah, Jose and Jack are getting the same 3PAs as always, but they're both shooting well below average (and below average by NBA standards). They need to get into the gym.

distracted · Post #19 » by **distracted** » Fri Nov 20, 2009 4:12 pm

We need to dump Jose for a defensive PG who can spot up. I still think Hinrich is the PG to match with Bosh/Hedo.

I wonder if Boston still wants to trade Rondo lol.

Ted Lasso · Post #20 » by **Ted Lasso** » Fri Nov 20, 2009 4:13 pm

distracted wrote:We need to dump Jose for a defensive PG who can spot up. I still think Hinrich is the PG to match with Bosh/Hedo.

I wonder if Boston still wants to trade Rondo lol.

Hinrich may well be the best defensive point guard in the league but he is asking for a fork offensively.