WOJ: Collins to Utah

[atlantabbq99]

^ Agree, he is nothing special. "needs a stretch 5 and elite passing PG" Collins needs way too much help for things to go right. Collins is an okay role player or 6th man, but like i have been saying for years, Collins' contract vs talent is a negative value. He is getting paid like an All Star but producing like a bench player

Collins is currently the highest paid player for Utah but he is only the 3rd best scorer and 6th on the team in advanced analytics.

[vtime]

Makes perfect sense. They will try to win and Hendricks can come along slowly and progress naturally instead of being forced into a huge role. When he is ready, Collins or could be moved for assets if necessary or continue to rotate those 4 along the frontline.

He’s really played well. With the rising contracts on players today, it’s not even a bad value contract.

[ForeverRDjazz]

^ Agree, he is nothing special. "needs a stretch 5 and elite passing PG" Collins needs way too much help for things to go right. Collins is an okay role player or 6th man, but like i have been saying for years, Collins' contract vs talent is a negative value. He is getting paid like an All Star but producing like a bench player

Collins is currently the highest paid player for Utah but he is only the 3rd best scorer and 6th on the team in advanced analytics.

Was happy with the trade. Second round pick and player I was praying we could dump. JC is better than I thought and I'm glad the jazz made the move. Alstar players are making 50 million a year now. Look and LA Clips just signed KL for 153 million for 3 years. Think Hardy has got him and the rest the team all on the same page and playing great. Top 3 teams the last 3 weeks. Hawks and Q is the team looking like they need the draft picks, not the jazz. Yet we are loaded for next few years. Use them or bundle them if needed. Think JC finger has healed up finally and becoming the player he was early in his career. I'd want two first to move him today. Not old vet and second round pick.

[ForeverRDjazz]

Makes perfect sense. They will try to win and Hendricks can come along slowly and progress naturally instead of being forced into a huge role. When he is ready, Collins or could be moved for assets if necessary or continue to rotate those 4 along the frontline.

He’s really played well. With the rising contracts on players today, it’s not even a bad value contract.

100% agree. Great fit with Hardy and the jazz today.

[red4hf]

Collins leads Jazz in minutes played, btw........,

[AGE1207]

It seems like a good move all around: Hawks happy, Jazz happy and Collins definitely happy…

[AGE1207]

And I am increasingly happy also with Collins. Kessler isn’t having a great 2nd season (putting it nicely) so it’s a good thing we have Collins picking up the slack.

[babyjax13]

Makes perfect sense. They will try to win and Hendricks can come along slowly and progress naturally instead of being forced into a huge role. When he is ready, Collins or could be moved for assets if necessary or continue to rotate those 4 along the frontline.

He’s really played well. With the rising contracts on players today, it’s not even a bad value contract.

Even playing well it's not a good contract. $27 million under the new CBA is about what you should be paying your third best player if you are a contender (two max players, one closer to the max, 1 or 2 around $18-20 million). But one more year shaved off is good for his value, and it's especially good that he shows he can be incorporated into a different system. I expect his +/- numbers to continue to improve from very bad to meh, which is a good outcome considering how bad the beginning of the season was.

[bkohler]

Makes perfect sense. They will try to win and Hendricks can come along slowly and progress naturally instead of being forced into a huge role. When he is ready, Collins or could be moved for assets if necessary or continue to rotate those 4 along the frontline.

He’s really played well. With the rising contracts on players today, it’s not even a bad value contract.

Even playing well it's not a good contract. $27 million under the new CBA is about what you should be paying your third best player if you are a contender (two max players, one closer to the max, 1 or 2 around $18-20 million). But one more year shaved off is good for his value, and it's especially good that he shows he can be incorporated into a different system. I expect his +/- numbers to continue to improve from very bad to meh, which is a good outcome considering how bad the beginning of the season was.

You’ve got a rosier outlook than I do, I don’t expect his +/- to stabilize as I just think he’s not a very positively impactful player all around.

Also, it’s good he’s been impactful in other areas because his 3pt % has plummeted from a strong start to the season. Over the last 15 games he’s shooting 25% from three (basically since Jan 1).

[babyjax13]

He’s really played well. With the rising contracts on players today, it’s not even a bad value contract.

Even playing well it's not a good contract. $27 million under the new CBA is about what you should be paying your third best player if you are a contender (two max players, one closer to the max, 1 or 2 around $18-20 million). But one more year shaved off is good for his value, and it's especially good that he shows he can be incorporated into a different system. I expect his +/- numbers to continue to improve from very bad to meh, which is a good outcome considering how bad the beginning of the season was.

You’ve got a rosier outlook than I do, I don’t expect his +/- to stabilize as I just think he’s not a very positively impactful player all around.

Also, it’s good he’s been impactful in other areas because his 3pt % has plummeted from a strong start to the season. Over the last 15 games he’s shooting 25% from three (basically since Jan 1).

Not positive when we switched him to center, but the last 10 games he has an overwhelmingly positive +/- and his net rating has been trending the right direction. If it continues he's going to look like a below-average to average starter instead of a really bad one, and I think that's right. Don't get me wrong, I wish we would have never traded for him.

[bkohler]

I wonder how much of his increase in +/- is related to his being attached to Lauri for a lot of his minutes. When you use cleaning the glass and look at line ups he’s in with Lauri is mostly positive, without Lauri it’s overwhelmingly negative, which is true of most players but I wonder how much it’s bouying those numbers.

[TNJazz]

I wonder how much of his increase in +/- is related to his being attached to Lauri for a lot of his minutes. When you use cleaning the glass and look at line ups he’s in with Lauri is mostly positive, without Lauri it’s overwhelmingly negative, which is true of most players but I wonder how much it’s bouying those numbers.

This statement is a result of Hardy doing a good job of coaching and knowing which players work best together, not necessarily putting all the "best" players together as starters etc. While I am not a huge fan of Collins and his play so far, I do like the recent team results with him primarily playing alongside Lauri and Kessler coming off the bench with JC and company. Everyone seems to be buying in and they have been winning at a really good clip. A few more inches on JC's buyer shot and the Jazz would have the best WL last 10 in the west with the Clippers and only 1 behind Clevelands 9-1. Collins seems to be really engaged and was a beast in the Washington game and 20-10 with 2 blocks in the Charlotte game. I'll take that!

[bkohler]

I definitely think you’re right about the Hardy thing, to me the biggest take away of this season is Hardy is not just a flash in the pan.

[Butter]

Realistically, what is the current trade price for Collins? What are is the Jazz's biggest needs?

[HadAnEffectHere]

Realistically, what is the current trade price for Collins? What are is the Jazz's biggest needs?

Collins is almost certainly available for cap space. He's a stretch 5, but he doesn't block shots, will get bullied against true centers, and isn't a great shooter.

[Inigo Montoya]

Realistically, what is the current trade price for Collins? What are is the Jazz's biggest needs?

The Jazz's biggest needs are a natural SF and a facilitating PG, preferably with size.

Not sure what Collins' price would be, the front office will probably want a first round draft pick, even if it's a late one or has protections, and cap relief or a good player with similar salary, which is less likely.

[Butter]

Realistically, what is the current trade price for Collins? What are is the Jazz's biggest needs?

The Jazz's biggest needs are a natural SF and a facilitating PG, preferably with size.

Not sure what Collins' price would be, the front office will probably want a first round draft pick, even if it's a late one or has protections, and cap relief or a good player with similar salary, which is less likely.

Any interest in Matisse Thybulle?

[babyjax13]

Realistically, what is the current trade price for Collins? What are is the Jazz's biggest needs?

The Jazz's biggest needs are a natural SF and a facilitating PG, preferably with size.

Not sure what Collins' price would be, the front office will probably want a first round draft pick, even if it's a late one or has protections, and cap relief or a good player with similar salary, which is less likely.

Any interest in Matisse Thybulle?

I would take any combination of players from Portland that does not include Ayton.