GT78 Wiz vs Blazers

[Frichuela]

Poole the tank commander shooting us out of the game..

[Frichuela]

Scoot with the dagger…

Do not understand why Keefe took Tristan off the game to insert Gino the bricklayer…

[nate33]

Wizards 5/32 from 3-point range. And most were good looks. You can't win in the NBA shooting like that.

S'all good. It's about process not results. The Wizards played well except for missing dunks and open 3's. I liked what I saw from all the young guys.

[MOSH]

Great tank by Poole.
IQ in full display...

[nir2610]

Sad to watch Deni and Tristan trying so hard offencively and defencively and on the other hand Poole and Kispert in both sides today are so bad..

[tontoz]

Key tank loss. I like what I've seen from Tristan but his lack of strength is a glaring problem.

[NatP4]

Wizards 5/32 from 3-point range. And most were good looks. You can't win in the NBA shooting like that.

S'all good. It's about process not results. The Wizards played well except for missing dunks and open 3's. I liked what I saw from all the young guys.

Davis played well, no? Good defense, good passes, made all of his shots including a 3, and only plays 20 minutes..

They clearly just don’t care to develop him.

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

Poole had 9 assists and only 2 TOs, and he didn't shoot sub 40% from the field, so despite dominating the ball and refusing to let Deni run anything, all is good...

Vuk if he made a few three would have had a really solid game, look like he is short arming them. Nonetheless, he looks about 20x better than I thought he'd look. He looks really kinda nice, he had a several veteran moves out there, is he our Jokic?

[Jay81]

Vukcevic is really an exceptional passer for such a young big. He made a pretty impressive behind the back pass to the wing on the break. And then a second later made a brilliant dart of a pass to a cutting Jordan Poole.

The kid has all the tools to be a really good offensive player. He just needs to get stronger and tougher on D.

Makes you wonder why we stashed him this season smh

[closg00]

Key tank loss. I like what I've seen from Tristan but his lack of strength is a glaring problem.

Like with Bilal, he is going to fill out like these bigs do, he needs a big man coach for sure though

[nate33]

Wizards 5/32 from 3-point range. And most were good looks. You can't win in the NBA shooting like that.

S'all good. It's about process not results. The Wizards played well except for missing dunks and open 3's. I liked what I saw from all the young guys.

Davis played well, no? Good defense, good passes, made all of his shots including a 3, and only plays 20 minutes..

They clearly just don’t care to develop him.

It was his best game.

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

Wizards 5/32 from 3-point range. And most were good looks. You can't win in the NBA shooting like that.

S'all good. It's about process not results. The Wizards played well except for missing dunks and open 3's. I liked what I saw from all the young guys.

Three of which came in three straight possessions, a stretch spanning 1:58 left to 0:38 left, that were early set, disaster three point bricks from Mr. "Improved Form" Jordan Poole.

Losses aren't bothering me, terrible shooting from three isn't bothering me, it's the glazing over of horrid decision making and continued selfishness by two dudes on this roster that bothers me. That two guys can get away without playing a lick of defense, playing for shots, not paying attention to detail, getting outhustled and the Drew Goodens and Chris Millers of the world heap on nothing but praise.

There was a moment in this game where Deni made a bad pass up court in a earnest effort to push pace, and Gooden sits there criticizing it for not being accurate enough. Meanwhile, Poole has probably about 2-3 Shaqtin-a-Fools a game, or three or four shots that look like they're going to break the backboard, or just laughably bad TOs, and they go silent. Just a microcosm of odious amount of free passes some continue to give to select players on the roster. I wonder what Drew and Chris would say if Deni has three straight possession like Mr. Poole had, or what the reactions on this board would be.

So can we be terrible from the three but also point out how wretched Poole was down the stretch once again?

[Endless Loop]

Excellent loss! Just about clinches second worst record.

Before last night, there was a real chance the Wiz could ended up with the same record as Charlotte, and maybe the Spurs. Both of those teams had a tougher schedule to end the year. Meanwhile the Wiz had both Portland and the Raptors...

What a difference a day makes! Charlotte won, SAS won, and of course Portland won. Now the Wiz can win 3 of their last 4 and still be certain of second worst.

Time for a winning streak!

[Frichuela]

Wizards 5/32 from 3-point range. And most were good looks. You can't win in the NBA shooting like that.

S'all good. It's about process not results. The Wizards played well except for missing dunks and open 3's. I liked what I saw from all the young guys.

Three of which came in three straight possessions, a stretch spanning 1:58 left to 0:38 left, that were early set, disaster three point bricks from Mr. "Improved Form" Jordan Poole.

Losses aren't bothering me, terrible shooting from three isn't bothering me, it's the glazing over of horrid decision making and continued selfishness by two dudes on this roster that bothers me. That two guys can get away without playing a lick of defense, playing for shots, not paying attention to detail, getting outhustled and the Drew Goodens and Chris Millers of the world heap on nothing but praise.

There was a moment in this game where Deni made a bad pass up court in a earnest effort to push pace, and Gooden sits there criticizing it for not being accurate enough. Meanwhile, Poole has probably about 2-3 Shaqtin-a-Fools a game, or three or four shots that look like they're going to break the backboard, or just laughably bad TOs, and they go silent. Just a microcosm of odious amount of free passes some continue to give to select players on the roster. I wonder what Drew and Chris would say if Deni has three straight possession like Mr. Poole had, or what the reactions on this board would be.

So can we be terrible from the three but also point out how wretched Poole was down the stretch once again?

This. Well said!

And I am one of us in the DMV who has to listen to Bagdad Bob and Drew the clown Gooden…utter torture. That is unless I mute the tv….

[nate33]

Wizards 5/32 from 3-point range. And most were good looks. You can't win in the NBA shooting like that.

S'all good. It's about process not results. The Wizards played well except for missing dunks and open 3's. I liked what I saw from all the young guys.

Three of which came in three straight possessions, a stretch spanning 1:58 left to 0:38 left, that were early set, disaster three point bricks from Mr. "Improved Form" Jordan Poole.

Losses aren't bothering me, terrible shooting from three isn't bothering me, it's the glazing over of horrid decision making and continued selfishness by two dudes on this roster that bothers me. That two guys can get away without playing a lick of defense, playing for shots, not paying attention to detail, getting outhustled and the Drew Goodens and Chris Millers of the world heap on nothing but praise.

There was a moment in this game where Deni made a bad pass up court in a earnest effort to push pace, and Gooden sits there criticizing it for not being accurate enough. Meanwhile, Poole has probably about 2-3 Shaqtin-a-Fools a game, or three or four shots that look like they're going to break the backboard, or just laughably bad TOs, and they go silent. Just a microcosm of odious amount of free passes some continue to give to select players on the roster. I wonder what Drew and Chris would say if Deni has three straight possession like Mr. Poole had, or what the reactions on this board would be.

So can we be terrible from the three but also point out how wretched Poole was down the stretch once again?

Laughably bad turnovers? Poole had just 2 turnovers on the night to go with 9 assists and 20 points. And his assists were all high-value assists for layups and dunks. He ran the pick-and-roll extremely well. Poole wasn't perfect, but he didn't stand out to me as having a uniquely bad game. At least Poole made 3 of his 10 three's. Kispert missed a ton of WIDE OPEN looks, as did Vukcevic and Butler. I don't know how you can blame this loss on Poole when everyone else on the roster shot a combined 2-23 from 3-point range.

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

Wizards 5/32 from 3-point range. And most were good looks. You can't win in the NBA shooting like that.

S'all good. It's about process not results. The Wizards played well except for missing dunks and open 3's. I liked what I saw from all the young guys.

Three of which came in three straight possessions, a stretch spanning 1:58 left to 0:38 left, that were early set, disaster three point bricks from Mr. "Improved Form" Jordan Poole.

Losses aren't bothering me, terrible shooting from three isn't bothering me, it's the glazing over of horrid decision making and continued selfishness by two dudes on this roster that bothers me. That two guys can get away without playing a lick of defense, playing for shots, not paying attention to detail, getting outhustled and the Drew Goodens and Chris Millers of the world heap on nothing but praise.

There was a moment in this game where Deni made a bad pass up court in a earnest effort to push pace, and Gooden sits there criticizing it for not being accurate enough. Meanwhile, Poole has probably about 2-3 Shaqtin-a-Fools a game, or three or four shots that look like they're going to break the backboard, or just laughably bad TOs, and they go silent. Just a microcosm of odious amount of free passes some continue to give to select players on the roster. I wonder what Drew and Chris would say if Deni has three straight possession like Mr. Poole had, or what the reactions on this board would be.

So can we be terrible from the three but also point out how wretched Poole was down the stretch once again?

Laughably bad turnovers? Poole had just 2 turnovers on the night to go with 9 assists and 20 points. And his assists were all high-value assists for layups and dunks. He ran the pick-and-roll extremely well. Poole wasn't perfect, but he didn't stand out to me as having a uniquely bad game. At least Poole made 3 of his 10 three's. Kispert missed a ton of WIDE OPEN looks, as did Vukcevic and Butler. I don't know how you can blame this loss on Poole when everyone else on the roster shot a combined 2-23 from 3-point range.

Wasn't clear about TOs, I'm talking on average, that's why a mention "a game.". So there's that. It's just a constant drum beat to give more latitude to two players on the roster, tired of it.

I agree with you about Kispert. Then again, not Kispert's biggest fan, he's turned too much into a gunner that does little else on a given night for my taste. He's been taking a lot of bad and rushed shots for a better part of the season, so that isn't new. Just complete tunnel vision with him, never looks to make the smart pass.

[nate33]

I agree with you about Kispert. Then again, not Kispert's biggest fan, he's turned too much into a gunner that does little else on a given night for my taste. He's been taking a lot of bad and rushed shots for a better part of the season, so that isn't new. Just complete tunnel vision with him, never looks to make the smart pass.

I know it's going to sound like I'm always arguing with you, I honestly don't mean to. But I have to disagree with that characterization of Kispert. I think Kispert's passing has improved quite a bit this year. He was second on the team in assists last night with 5. His assists per 36 this year has nearly doubled this year. Last year it was a truly anemic 1.5 which really is the tunnel vision that you speak of. But this year, it's up to 2.5 per 36, which isn't bad for a guy who is exclusively an off-ball player. I'd like to see that number creep up to 3 or so, but that's really about the most one can expect from a guy in his role.

I agree that he is forcing more shots, with the marginal extra ones being of lower quality, but when you look at the numbers, that's exactly what he should be doing. Last year, he had an unbelievably efficient year with a .657 TS%. But that's actually bad given that he was so much more efficient than the rest of the roster. You look at that number and say: "he needs to get up more shots. He is hurting the team by being so passive." So, this year, he worked on upping his usage, which consequently impacted his TS%. But the end result I think is about right. Instead of a 14% usage and a .657 TS% like last year, this year he is posting a 20% usage and a .617 TS%. I'd say that's a good thing as long as those extra shots are being taken from lower efficiency guys.

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

Wizards 5/32 from 3-point range. And most were good looks. You can't win in the NBA shooting like that.

S'all good. It's about process not results. The Wizards played well except for missing dunks and open 3's. I liked what I saw from all the young guys.

Three of which came in three straight possessions, a stretch spanning 1:58 left to 0:38 left, that were early set, disaster three point bricks from Mr. "Improved Form" Jordan Poole.

Losses aren't bothering me, terrible shooting from three isn't bothering me, it's the glazing over of horrid decision making and continued selfishness by two dudes on this roster that bothers me. That two guys can get away without playing a lick of defense, playing for shots, not paying attention to detail, getting outhustled and the Drew Goodens and Chris Millers of the world heap on nothing but praise.

There was a moment in this game where Deni made a bad pass up court in a earnest effort to push pace, and Gooden sits there criticizing it for not being accurate enough. Meanwhile, Poole has probably about 2-3 Shaqtin-a-Fools a game, or three or four shots that look like they're going to break the backboard, or just laughably bad TOs, and they go silent. Just a microcosm of odious amount of free passes some continue to give to select players on the roster. I wonder what Drew and Chris would say if Deni has three straight possession like Mr. Poole had, or what the reactions on this board would be.

So can we be terrible from the three but also point out how wretched Poole was down the stretch once again?

This. Well said!

And I am one of us in the DMV who has to listen to Bagdad Bob and Drew the clown Gooden…utter torture. That is unless I mute the tv….

Yeah I'm back in the DMV after having lived out in Colorado for the past 4 years, so I'm there with you in the hell of having to listen to these hacks. It was really nice being able to listen to so many analyst teams that were light years better. No there are some other team that are pretty hacky too, Charlotte's team comes to mind, but at least it wasn't related to the team I like.

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

I agree with you about Kispert. Then again, not Kispert's biggest fan, he's turned too much into a gunner that does little else on a given night for my taste. He's been taking a lot of bad and rushed shots for a better part of the season, so that isn't new. Just complete tunnel vision with him, never looks to make the smart pass.

I know it's going to sound like I'm always arguing with you, I honestly don't mean to. But I have to disagree with that characterization of Kispert. I think Kispert's passing has improved quite a bit this year. He was second on the team in assists last night with 5. His assists per 36 this year has nearly doubled this year. Last year it was a truly anemic 1.5 which really is the tunnel vision that you speak of. But this year, it's up to 2.5 per 36, which isn't bad for a guy who is exclusively an off-ball player. I'd like to see that number creep up to 3 or so, but that's really about the most one can expect from a guy in his role.

I agree that he is forcing more shots, with the marginal extra ones being of lower quality, but when you look at the numbers, that's exactly what he should be doing. Last year, he had an unbelievably efficient year with a .657 TS%. But that's actually bad given that he was so much more efficient than the rest of the roster. You look at that number and say: "he needs to get up more shots. He is hurting the team by being so passive." So, this year, he worked on upping his usage, which consequently impacted his TS%. But the end result I think is about right. Instead of a 14% usage and a .657 TS% like last year, this year he is posting a 20% usage and a .617 TS%. I'd say that's a good thing.

All good nate, I'm all for healthy debates and conversations, this is a forum after all.

Regarding Kispert, sure he's improved his per game numbers, but there are so many instances he has I guy wide open and he just won't even look in his direction where there is any easy pass to be made and likely a higher quality shot no matter what Kispert's TS% is. Kispert's another case of a player that I take their offensive ability (TS% in this case) with a huge grain of salt given that he averages a paltry 2.8 rpg (I'd wager this is among the worst in the league from a guy that is 6-7 and plays the amount of minutes he does) and 1.8 apg (1.2 TOs per game) despite actually getting a fair amount of touches while also getting rag dolled on defense game-after-game. This isn't an overstatement, he is hunted by offenses because they know he can't guard a chair. So if I don't feel like your expending energy in other places to help the team, I'm going to weight down it down when you expend all your energy on offense.

I'd like to like Kispert more, in his rookie season he was showing some flashes that he wouldn't constantly be exposed on defense, but there has been scant evidence since that he's made any progress in that department. I haven't given up on him, and I'm fine with him being on the team for the time being, but he's got to show more then taking shots. You have to do more in the NBA.

[nate33]

I agree with you about Kispert. Then again, not Kispert's biggest fan, he's turned too much into a gunner that does little else on a given night for my taste. He's been taking a lot of bad and rushed shots for a better part of the season, so that isn't new. Just complete tunnel vision with him, never looks to make the smart pass.

I know it's going to sound like I'm always arguing with you, I honestly don't mean to. But I have to disagree with that characterization of Kispert. I think Kispert's passing has improved quite a bit this year. He was second on the team in assists last night with 5. His assists per 36 this year has nearly doubled this year. Last year it was a truly anemic 1.5 which really is the tunnel vision that you speak of. But this year, it's up to 2.5 per 36, which isn't bad for a guy who is exclusively an off-ball player. I'd like to see that number creep up to 3 or so, but that's really about the most one can expect from a guy in his role.

I agree that he is forcing more shots, with the marginal extra ones being of lower quality, but when you look at the numbers, that's exactly what he should be doing. Last year, he had an unbelievably efficient year with a .657 TS%. But that's actually bad given that he was so much more efficient than the rest of the roster. You look at that number and say: "he needs to get up more shots. He is hurting the team by being so passive." So, this year, he worked on upping his usage, which consequently impacted his TS%. But the end result I think is about right. Instead of a 14% usage and a .657 TS% like last year, this year he is posting a 20% usage and a .617 TS%. I'd say that's a good thing.

All good nate, I'm all for healthy debates and conversations, this is a forum after all.

Regarding Kispert, sure he's improved his per game numbers, but there are so many instances he has I guy wide open and he just won't even look in his direction where there is any easy pass to be made and likely a higher quality shot no matter what Kispert's TS% is. Kispert's another case of a player that I take their offensive ability (TS% in this case) with a huge grain of salt given that he averages a paltry 2.8 rpg (I'd wager this is among the worst in the league from a guy that is 6-7 and plays the amount of minutes he does) and 1.8 apg (1.2 TOs per game) despite actually getting a fair amount of touches while also getting rag dolled on defense game-after-game. This isn't an overstatement, he is hunted by offenses because they know he can't guard a chair. So if I don't feel like your expending energy in other places to help the team, I'm going to weight down it down when you expend all your energy on offense.

I'd like to like Kispert more, in his rookie season he was showing some flashes that he wouldn't constantly be exposed on defense, but there has been scant evidence since that he's made any progress in that department. I haven't given up on him, and I'm fine with him being on the team for the time being, but he's got to show more then taking shots. You have to do more in the NBA.

I agree that his rebounding is the biggest disappointment. I've been watching his defense lately and I do feel he has picked it up a bit, at least off ball. I remarked about it in the Bucks game thread. But, yeah, his defense is why he is not a true starter in the NBA. He's a 7th man. I hope we pay him like one.

I think he is very good on offense though. I wouldn't change much at all, except to get that 3-ball back up to 40%.