2024 Draft Thread - Part II

[Dat2U]

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That doesn't sound like someone who's taking Donovan Clingan at #2.

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A trade down of 2 + 26 for 7 + 14 could work.

I figure one of Holland or Buzelis is there at #7. I'd take McCain at #14. (I don't think Clingan will last that long, but if he is there, I'd be fine with him at #14 too.)

I can't recall a case of anyone trading down from the #2 pick, though I suppose it must have happened....

I wouldn't give both 2 & 26 for 7 & 14 in any case, but that's just me. I'd do 2 & 51 however.

Speaking as a Blazers fan, I might do 2,51 for 7,14 for Portland already has picks 34,40 and doesn't really need
26. Depends on who Atlanta picks at 1 for if they pick Sarr, they'd have to be sold on Risacher at 2 being that much
better than Matas or Ron Holland at 7.

Thanks for checking in -- & your thinking makes sense. Of course, if Risacher is "that much better" maybe the Wiz shouldn't do the deal!!

[NatP4]

Dadiet didn’t miss a shot again yesterday. Played 19 minutes, 7 points 5 rebounds 2 assists on 2 shots.

8-11 from 3 in his last 4 games.

If 7&14 results in Clingan+Dadiet, I would do it.

[Jay81]

dawkins dosnet sound like he is taking a guy who is NBA ready for next year. So likely no Clingan, Reed or Dillingham. He is clearly looking at payoff in 2-3 years which should keep us bad.

[nate33]

dawkins dosnet sound like he is taking a guy who is NBA ready for next year. So likely no Clingan, Reed or Dillingham. He is clearly looking at payoff in 2-3 years which should keep us bad.

I wouldn't include Sheppard in that trio. Sheppard has an NBA ready skill at the moment, but only as an undersized shooting guard, which isn't going to help much next year. Sheppard's star upside happens if he converts to a true PG, and that will probably take a couple of years.

[NatP4]

dawkins dosnet sound like he is taking a guy who is NBA ready for next year. So likely no Clingan, Reed or Dillingham. He is clearly looking at payoff in 2-3 years which should keep us bad.

I wouldn't include Sheppard in that trio. Sheppard has an NBA ready skill at the moment, but only as an undersized shooting guard, which isn't going to help much next year. Sheppard's star upside happens if he converts to a true PG, and that will probably take a couple of years.

These comments are the most meaningless thing ever. Of course we aren’t looking for the most NBA ready guy. It’s a rebuild. All about BPA long term.

Clingan could clearly have all star potential if he develops a passable 3pt shot. No reason why he’s in the “low upside NBA ready” group. Same goes for Sheppard, guy that just shot 52% from 3 and posted a 70% TS with 4 steals+blocks as a 6’3 guard.

[nate33]

If Clingan can shoot 3's, that makes him potentially Brook Lopez.

I guess the question is, even if he is Brook Lopez, do you take Brook Lopez with the 2nd pick in the draft? Lopez made one All-Star game in his entire 16-year career.

[NatP4]

If Clingan can shoot 3's, that makes him potentially Brook Lopez.

I guess the question is, even if he is Brook Lopez, do you take Brook Lopez with the 2nd pick in the draft? Lopez made one All-Star game in his entire 16-year career.

Dude, come on. Clingan at the same age, had more rebounds, assists, blocks, steals, fewer turnovers, significantly better efficiency(63% TS vs 53% TS) than Lopez, and is bigger (7’2 versus 7’0).

Again, that’s a good floor comparison, not ceiling.

[Kanyewest]

If Clingan can shoot 3's, that makes him potentially Brook Lopez.

I guess the question is, even if he is Brook Lopez, do you take Brook Lopez with the 2nd pick in the draft? Lopez made one All-Star game in his entire 16-year career.

Depends on the draft I suppose.
Hoopshype had Lopez going #3 in a NBA redraft of 2008 (behind Westbrook/Love but ahead of Rose and DeAndre Jordan). I would probably take Rose although Lopez still playing well up to this point.

Also would have been intrigued to see how his career turned out if he shot 3 earlier, Lopez only started shooting 3s 8 years ago.

[closg00]

I am seeing a lot of mocks/NBA talking heads having us take Clingan like Utility Sports making the case here, I would be shocked if we selected him.

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[nate33]

If Clingan can shoot 3's, that makes him potentially Brook Lopez.

I guess the question is, even if he is Brook Lopez, do you take Brook Lopez with the 2nd pick in the draft? Lopez made one All-Star game in his entire 16-year career.

Dude, come on. Clingan at the same age, had more rebounds, assists, blocks, steals, fewer turnovers, significantly better efficiency(63% TS vs 53% TS) than Lopez, and is bigger (7’2 versus 7’0).

Again, that’s a good floor comparison, not ceiling.

Dude, come on. Clingan does not have more offensive aptitude than Lopez. Clingan is efficient because he is used almost exclusively as a roll man for a team with a ton of offensive weapons to occupy the defense. He has virtually no moves or footwork other than being bigger than his matchup.

Lopez was a legit low-post, back-to-the-basket scorer who scored 23 points per 36 on a team that was scoring just 70 points per game. He had a USG of 33%. (Clingan scores 21 points per 36 on a team that averages 81 points per game.)

What was actually kind of amazing about Lopez is that he totally remade his game midway through his career. As a young player he was a first option mid-post scorer who played kinda bad defense. Then, suddenly, he became an elite rim protector and 3-point shooter while abandoning his mid-post game.

[nate33]

If Clingan can shoot 3's, that makes him potentially Brook Lopez.

I guess the question is, even if he is Brook Lopez, do you take Brook Lopez with the 2nd pick in the draft? Lopez made one All-Star game in his entire 16-year career.

Depends on the draft I suppose.
Hoopshype had Lopez going #3 in a NBA redraft of 2008 (behind Westbrook/Love but ahead of Rose and DeAndre Jordan). I would probably take Rose although Lopez still playing well up to this point.

Also would have been intrigued to see how his career turned out if he shot 3 earlier, Lopez only started shooting 3s 8 years ago.

Yes, that's the kind of discussion I wanted to have. I was not trying to disparage Clingan by comparing him to Lopez. I'm just saying Lopez is about as good as it gets for a drop coverage big. He's an exceptional rim protector who can also space the floor on offense better than most. My point is that he is still a "role player". He is an elite role player, perhaps, but not the foundation for a team. The Brook Lopezes of the league do not make All-Star games, and they are the kind of guys that are obtainable in trades and free agency.

Maybe that's the best we can hope for in this draft. I'm not discounting it. But if you think a guy like Holland, or Dillingham, or Sheppard, or Buzelis can pan out as a star, do you take them over the next Brook Lopez?

[tontoz]

Clingan is another guy i would consider at 5-6 since the draft is weak. At 2 i just can't get there.

[Rafael122]

I'm "banging the table" for Clingan. I was OK with getting the 4th pick because I felt like that would have been justification to taking him. 2 is probably a stretch but if that kid becomes like a 30% 3 point shooter, he will probably end up being one of the best picks in this draft. I wouldn't be shocked if he destroys the measurements.

[nate33]

I am seeing a lot of mocks/NBA talking heads having us take Clingan like Utility Sports making the case here, I would be shocked if we selected him.

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Mock drafts always reach for need. In reality, most players taken at the top of the draft aren't necessarily ideal fits onto a team's roster. Teams take BPA at the top of the draft and then figure out fit later.

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[NatP4]

Clingan is another guy i would consider at 5-6 since the draft is weak. At 2 i just can't get there.

2 is reach to me based on the foot injuries, market price for most drop coverage Cs, rebuild timeline.

Would only consider in a trade down.

[NatP4]

My point is that he is still a "role player". He is an elite role player, perhaps, but not the foundation for a team. The Brook Lopezes of the league do not make All-Star games, and they are the kind of guys that are obtainable in trades and free agency.

Part of that is age though. Lopez wasn’t very useful early in his career. Didn’t turn into a lower usage role player/rim protector/floor spacer until like 29/30 years old.

[nate33]

Kevin O'Conner at the Ringer contemplates the Atlanta pick:

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The way he frames it, Atlanta probably isn't all that interested in a long term project like Sarr - not while Trae Young is still on the team. (Young is a free agent in two years.) So Atlanta might draft a safer, more NBA-ready guy (Clingan, Risacher), or there's a good chance they trade the pick, either for a later pick to draft an NBA-ready guy, or as part of a package for a veteran star.

[NatP4]

If Sarr is one the board for us, what could we get in a trade down?

4+8?