2024 Draft Thread - Part II

[nate33]

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[NatP4]

Gobert measured 7’0.5” W/O shoes, with a 7’8.5” wingspan, 9’7” standing reach.

Clingan measured 7’1.75” W/O shoes, with a 7’6.75” wingspan, 9’7” standing reach.

[nate33]

There are rumors that these measurements are wrong:

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[Rafael122]

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Is this drill important at all? The only thing this would tell me is that Clingan isn't a stiff.

[NatP4]

Didn’t realize that Vukcevic measured 6’11.25” w/o shoes, with a 7’2.5” wingspan and 9’3” standing reach last year.

[nate33]

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Is this drill important at all? The only thing this would tell me is that Clingan isn't a stiff.

Are any of these drills all that important?

The one thing good about the 3/4 sprint is that it's not one you can game with technique like the lane agility drill. Everyone knows how to run. But yeah, a 3/4 sprint is not really an activity that matters in the course of a normal game, at least not for a big man.

[nate33]

Didn’t realize that Vukcevic measured 6’11.25” w/o shoes, with a 7’2.5” wingspan and 9’3” standing reach last year.

And only 223 pounds.

He has the frame to add another 20 pounds over time, which should make him a more stout rebounder.

[Rafael122]

Cody Williams: 6'6'' with a 7'1'' wingspan. That's solid, the 178 pounds is not.

[DCZards]

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Is this drill important at all? The only thing this would tell me is that Clingan isn't a stiff.

Are any of these drills all that important?

The one thing good about the 3/4 sprint is that it's not one you can game with technique like the lane agility drill. Everyone knows how to run. But yeah, a 3/4 sprint is not really an activity that matters in the course of a normal game, at least not for a big man.

Doesn’t matter? I think it matters how well and how quickly a big man runs the court.

[Rafael122]

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Is this drill important at all? The only thing this would tell me is that Clingan isn't a stiff.

Are any of these drills all that important?

The one thing good about the 3/4 sprint is that it's not one you can game with technique like the lane agility drill. Everyone knows how to run. But yeah, a 3/4 sprint is not really an activity that matters in the course of a normal game, at least not for a big man.

Lane agility drills would be important for a big man IMO, can he move his feet, etc. Clingan is my guy lol, so I'm just looking at these things to see if it improves his stock. I think he's firmly a top 5 pick.

[nate33]

Is this drill important at all? The only thing this would tell me is that Clingan isn't a stiff.

Are any of these drills all that important?

The one thing good about the 3/4 sprint is that it's not one you can game with technique like the lane agility drill. Everyone knows how to run. But yeah, a 3/4 sprint is not really an activity that matters in the course of a normal game, at least not for a big man.

Doesn’t matter? I think it matters how well and how quickly a big man runs the court.

I think it pales in comparison to the importance of jumping and side-to-side agility.

[nate33]

Cody Williams: 6'6'' with a 7'1'' wingspan. That's solid, the 178 pounds is not.

Hollinger absolutely destroys Williams in his evaluation of him. Ranks him 15th:

How does a 6-8 guy only have a 6.4 percent rebound rate? Williams is a tall wing who can jump, but his mark was the worst on Colorado’s entire team, even worse than the two 6-1 point guards. Yikes.

That poor rebound rate underscores a larger issue that hurts Williams’ draft stock: He just shrinks from any kind of physicality or contact. That was especially pronounced after a midseason injury against Washington State, but even in the stretch preceding that – his best 10-game span of the season – he wasn’t exactly playing smashmouth basketball.

Williams’ stats from that stretch, however, paint a more convincing draft profile than his overall season numbers. He is very slightly built, unlike older brother Jalen with the Thunder, but is a true wing at 6-8 who is dangerous pushing the ball on grab-and-go situations in the rare event he gets a rebound.

Williams has a set push shot and was a very low-volume 3-point shooter because he can’t get into it off the dribble. When he drives in half-court situations, he’s all right hand and has little awareness of secondary defenders as he puts his head down toward the rim. In the open court, though, he’ll have his head up looking for hit-ahead passes.

Defensively, he has the length to challenge shots at the end of plays but doesn’t put up nearly enough resistance up until that point. He doesn’t pressure the ball or anticipate, and offensive players easily nudge him aside if he’s still in range. He’s also pretty nimble chasing smaller players around screens.

Overall, there are some Ziaire Williams vibes (no relation) where you wonder if scouts are coloring in lines that might not really be there. He might just be a guy who floats through games getting cardio. But between the scarcity of tall wings, the non-broken shot and the open-court athleticism, this Williams also flashes starter upside that becomes worth the plunge outside the lottery.

[DCZards]

Are any of these drills all that important?

The one thing good about the 3/4 sprint is that it's not one you can game with technique like the lane agility drill. Everyone knows how to run. But yeah, a 3/4 sprint is not really an activity that matters in the course of a normal game, at least not for a big man.

Doesn’t matter? I think it matters how well and how quickly a big man runs the court.

I think it pales in comparison to the importance of jumping and side-to-side agility.

Do you really think jumping matters a lot with 7 footers like Edey and Clingan? I don’t expect either one to be great jumpers.

I’d be more interested in how quickly they change ends of the court.

[Rafael122]

Weird hitch in the shot motion by Sarr, not as clean as Clingan but Clingan has a slow release/windup I feel.

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[nate33]

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Sarr's form looks pretty good from the side. But at the end of the video when you are viewing him from behind, you see a slight hitch just before he releases. Still, the results were pretty good. He seemed to hit the final 3 out of 5 from each location.

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[nate33]

Doesn’t matter? I think it matters how well and how quickly a big man runs the court.

I think it pales in comparison to the importance of jumping and side-to-side agility.

Do you really think jumping matters a lot with 7 footers like Edey and Clingan? I don’t expect either one to be great jumpers.

I’d be more interested in how quickly they change ends of the court.

I don't think the difference between a 3.6 second 3/4 sprint and a 3.4 second 3/4 sprint makes any difference at all. As long as they're not Tacko Fall with a 3.8, they're fine.

[DCZards]

I think it pales in comparison to the importance of jumping and side-to-side agility.

Do you really think jumping matters a lot with 7 footers like Edey and Clingan? I don’t expect either one to be great jumpers.

I’d be more interested in how quickly they change ends of the court.

I don't think the difference between a 3.6 second 3/4 sprint and a 3.4 second 3/4 sprint makes any difference at all. As long as they're not Tacko Fall with a 3.8, they're fine.

Agree that the minor diff doesn’t matter…but you need to find out if they’re more like Tacko.

[nate33]

Some strength and agility measurements are trickling in:

Name - lane agility - standing vert - max vert
Buzelis: 10.84, 32.0", 38.0" - outstanding lane agility
Holland: 11.13, 30.0", 38.0" - solid across the board
Sarr: 11.43, 30.5", 37.0" - impressive leaping for a 7-footer
Edey: 11.19, 26.0", 31.5" - way more agile than I expected
Clingan: 12.06, 25.5", 29.0"
McCain: 10.87, 25.5", 33.0" - lousy standing vertical for a guard

This is where you have to question the effectiveness of the lane agility test. It can be practiced and gamed. There's no way Edey has quicker feet than Sarr.

Nevertheless, Edey is having himself a very nice combine.

[80sballboy]

Buzelis with a 38-inch vert is interesting. Same as Holland. Wouldn't take him 2 but is a little more athletic than I thought, watching his videos.