Re: Metaphysical Analysis Thread-- (Loopy Wingnut thread 2)
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 2:50 pm
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Dat2U wrote:
I'm high on Okongwu. We actually are very similar. In numerology we share the same life path & energy (7/11). So he's very smart, very self aware (the 7) and athletic (11). He's a high character guy and a leader (11). I see little chance that he doesnt have at leasf a solid NBA career although there's a decent risk of injury at some point (7).
I absolutely love LaMelo Ball though and think he is clearly the best player in the draft by a decent margin. The combo of length, athleticism and skill is unique. He's the only guy I see capable of breaking down defenses at will and creating for himself and others at high-level. He rebounds really well. I think he'll be the closest thing to Westbrook in terms of amassing triple doubles. What confirms it for me is the numerology aspect as he's 33 LP which considered a master number plus 22 energy (born a 22 day) which indicates builder qualities (also a master number). Basically he's uber smart, a trailblazer and a can be someone the franchise builds around. The shot needs work but thats the only issue I have with him.
I'm with you on Wiseman. The talent is so tempting but the numerology aspect on him I don't love. He's very much along the lines of Mitchell Robinson & Andre Drummond. I'm sure he'll be productive just like they are but I question what his real impact willbe if he's not a great defender.
Vassell as I mentioned previously, just screams role playing wing off the bench. Maybe Josh Childress is the upside? Meh.
Anthony Edwards may be the most athletic 2-guard I've seen in years and a great frame to go with it. But the decision making/IQ are very much like Dion Waiters and Nick Young. So where he goes will be of the highest importance. With SA, Bos or Mia - Edwards could be special with right coaching. If not, he'll have some moments but I would expect coaches/teammates to be frustrated with his on-court decisions.
payitforward wrote:Dat2U wrote:I'm high on Okongwu. We actually are very similar. In numerology we share the same life path & energy (7/11). So he's very smart, very self aware (the 7) and athletic (11). He's a high character guy and a leader (11). I see little chance that he doesnt have at leasf a solid NBA career although there's a decent risk of injury at some point (7).
I absolutely love LaMelo Ball though and think he is clearly the best player in the draft by a decent margin. The combo of length, athleticism and skill is unique. He's the only guy I see capable of breaking down defenses at will and creating for himself and others at high-level. He rebounds really well. I think he'll be the closest thing to Westbrook in terms of amassing triple doubles. What confirms it for me is the numerology aspect as he's 33 LP which considered a master number plus 22 energy (born a 22 day) which indicates builder qualities (also a master number). Basically he's uber smart, a trailblazer and a can be someone the franchise builds around. The shot needs work but thats the only issue I have with him.
I'm with you on Wiseman. The talent is so tempting but the numerology aspect on him I don't love. He's very much along the lines of Mitchell Robinson & Andre Drummond. I'm sure he'll be productive just like they are but I question what his real impact willbe if he's not a great defender.
Vassell as I mentioned previously, just screams role playing wing off the bench. Maybe Josh Childress is the upside? Meh.
Anthony Edwards may be the most athletic 2-guard I've seen in years and a great frame to go with it. But the decision making/IQ are very much like Dion Waiters and Nick Young. So where he goes will be of the highest importance. With SA, Bos or Mia - Edwards could be special with right coaching. If not, he'll have some moments but I would expect coaches/teammates to be frustrated with his on-court decisions.
Now, Dat... we'd better get some info on this numerology stuff -- how do you calculate? Is this a form of gematria?
payitforward wrote:Let me see if I have this right: a kid born a minute after midnight on 1/1/2000 = 4 > "Worker, law/order." Is that correct.
But, the kid delivered 2 minutes earlier is 1 + 2 + 3 + 1 + 1 + 9 + 9 + 9 = 35, 3 + 5 = 8 > "Banker, Karma." Do I have that correct?
doclinkin wrote:Dat2U wrote:
I'm high on Okongwu. We actually are very similar. In numerology we share the same life path & energy (7/11). So he's very smart, very self aware (the 7) and athletic (11). He's a high character guy and a leader (11). I see little chance that he doesnt have at leasf a solid NBA career although there's a decent risk of injury at some point (7).
I absolutely love LaMelo Ball though and think he is clearly the best player in the draft by a decent margin. The combo of length, athleticism and skill is unique. He's the only guy I see capable of breaking down defenses at will and creating for himself and others at high-level. He rebounds really well. I think he'll be the closest thing to Westbrook in terms of amassing triple doubles. What confirms it for me is the numerology aspect as he's 33 LP which considered a master number plus 22 energy (born a 22 day) which indicates builder qualities (also a master number). Basically he's uber smart, a trailblazer and a can be someone the franchise builds around. The shot needs work but thats the only issue I have with him.
I'm with you on Wiseman. The talent is so tempting but the numerology aspect on him I don't love. He's very much along the lines of Mitchell Robinson & Andre Drummond. I'm sure he'll be productive just like they are but I question what his real impact willbe if he's not a great defender.
Vassell as I mentioned previously, just screams role playing wing off the bench. Maybe Josh Childress is the upside? Meh.
Anthony Edwards may be the most athletic 2-guard I've seen in years and a great frame to go with it. But the decision making/IQ are very much like Dion Waiters and Nick Young. So where he goes will be of the highest importance. With SA, Bos or Mia - Edwards could be special with right coaching. If not, he'll have some moments but I would expect coaches/teammates to be frustrated with his on-court decisions.
From the 2020 Draft Thread.
doclinkin wrote:Dat2U wrote:
I'm high on Okongwu. We actually are very similar. In numerology we share the same life path & energy (7/11). So he's very smart, very self aware (the 7) and athletic (11). He's a high character guy and a leader (11). I see little chance that he doesnt have at leasf a solid NBA career although there's a decent risk of injury at some point (7).
I absolutely love LaMelo Ball though and think he is clearly the best player in the draft by a decent margin. The combo of length, athleticism and skill is unique. He's the only guy I see capable of breaking down defenses at will and creating for himself and others at high-level. He rebounds really well. I think he'll be the closest thing to Westbrook in terms of amassing triple doubles. What confirms it for me is the numerology aspect as he's 33 LP which considered a master number plus 22 energy (born a 22 day) which indicates builder qualities (also a master number). Basically he's uber smart, a trailblazer and a can be someone the franchise builds around. The shot needs work but thats the only issue I have with him.
I'm with you on Wiseman. The talent is so tempting but the numerology aspect on him I don't love. He's very much along the lines of Mitchell Robinson & Andre Drummond. I'm sure he'll be productive just like they are but I question what his real impact willbe if he's not a great defender.
Vassell as I mentioned previously, just screams role playing wing off the bench. Maybe Josh Childress is the upside? Meh.
Anthony Edwards may be the most athletic 2-guard I've seen in years and a great frame to go with it. But the decision making/IQ are very much like Dion Waiters and Nick Young. So where he goes will be of the highest importance. With SA, Bos or Mia - Edwards could be special with right coaching. If not, he'll have some moments but I would expect coaches/teammates to be frustrated with his on-court decisions.
From the 2020 Draft Thread.
doclinkin wrote:doclinkin wrote:Kanyewest wrote:I think you should re-start the Meta thread. It is indeed interesting stuff to read and it's probably more useful than some thread around here like The Trade Thread. Some of the stuff which you said about February 21st actually applies to me (i.e. I'm more inward in a public setting). However broader things like not taking criticism well applies to almost everyone I know. Still, you should re-start that thread because it is entertaining.
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I'm also wondering how greatness can someone can diminish from between from 1 day to another. On February 20th, Charles Barkely was born and on February 22nd Julius Erving was born (and if that wasn't good enough for you, so was George Washington).
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I think it's interesting to point out that nobody from the top 10 of the 1999 draft was outstanding like in the 2003 draft.
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7. Rip Hamilton- excelled as 1 of the 4 options with Detroit.
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Clearly, Francis is not in the same level with the likes of Elton Brand, Rip Hamilton, or Laron Profit (who was picked in the 2nd round of the draft).
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As for Donte Greene, it's unfair to compare him to Steve Francis. The biggest factor to consider is that they play different positions. One of Greene's biggest faults was said to be that he was too unselfish. Since Donte Greene is somewhere between 6'9 and 6'11, the team that drafts him doesn't have to worry about him playing the point guard position. I think if Grunfeld gets the sense that the kid is humble and willing to work on his game, he would be a solid pick.
Nah I make no real comparison with Steve Francis except to ask, did he live up to his potential? That's the only question we're trying to shed light on with the Zodiac goofery: does the player meet, exceed, or fail to reach their full potential. Do they have championship character-- regardless of their physical skillset.
A guy like Shaquille O'neal-- or Wilt Chamberlain for instance, he was going to succeed in basketball no matter what he did. There has never been that combination of pure athletic talent, grace, and size. Now is it possible if he were more motivated to succeed that he should have dominated and won more championships like his contemporary (smaller) Bill Russell? Maybe. Who can say?
Julius Erving was a physical marvel. He shares the same birthday as my sister. I know for a fact sisterdoc and George Washington would have made terrible NBAers. Probably. You've got to start with a baseline of pure talent. My sister bumps into doors, no athleticism really to speak of. And GDub is really really dead.
But a guy like Rip Hamilton is a great example. Steve Francis was 10 times the pure athlete Rip is. Rip is tall, but skinny for his position-- for any position-- can't jump all that high, if you remember from DC or UConn, his reflexes and quick-twitch muscles ain't great on defense even if he's relatively long. What he had better than most players was the situation-recognition software-- ball smarts-- to size up the moment and shoot before the defense arrived.
To maximize that, the one thing he has done is outwork everybody in his physical conditioning. He saw he would never have an advantage in strength etc but saw the success of a guy with a similar build in Reggie Miller and was smart enough to apply the same techniques. Then when he discovered he tired himself out running around screens all day he decided to dedicate himself in the offseason to becoming the best-conditioned player in the game.
But how could you have guessed he would be that kind of dedicated player before you drafted him? That he would have had success even scrawny as he is? The point is Rip Hamilton has gotten every ounce of athletic ability out of his narrow ass. He took every criticism leveled against him (and he played for notable hardass Jim Calhoun at UConn) and used it to his advantage, to improve himself. Steve Francis, when the chips were down, moped and sulked and got his feelings hurt-- ask any of the boards of teams he used to play for. Not a bad guy, just moody, got in his own way that way. Hey I have friends up in Takoma Park who knew him, maybe they'll confirm it.
BUt yeah, no, not everybody takes criticism the same way. Even on here. CCJ is famous for taking criticism with style, when it's true-- he just doesn't like it when you clown on him for no reason. JWiz just laughs at you, Dat used to fightcha to the bitter end but Lyrico is generally unfazed-- and you ever see DonkMcDonk get mad for any reason whatsoever?
Okay, if I have a spare minute I'll start the MetaThread tomorrow. I'll probably be too busy to do much Draft breakdown though.
Dat2U wrote:KD wearing #7, returning on 4/7/2021
4 + 7 + 2 + 0 + 2 + 1 = 16 (7)
So it's considered a 7 day with secondary energy of 7 - being the 7th lol.
7 as I've mentioned previously is the number of injury.
It's the worst possible day for KD to return on and the risk for him is higher than normal.
payitforward wrote:The problem with all this is that it's upside down balanced on a pin-point (the "time" a person was born), but the pin-point doesn't exist.
Time in that local sense (e.g. "what time is it now?") is a completely local phenomenon. E.g. we can't meaningfully ask, "What time is it now on the star Arcturus?" The question has no meaning at all.
Should you think that I'm making this up, I'm not -- for more on the subject, see https://www.amazon.com/Order-Time-Carlo-Rovelli/dp/0735216118/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=
Or, if you prefer: