Patrick Baldwin Jr

[TGW]

Patrick Baldwin Jr (aka PBJ)

Height: 6'10.25 in shoes
Weight: 231
Wingspan: 7’1.75
Age: 20

2023 Stats:
PPG: 3.9
RPG: 1.3
APG: 0.4

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[truwizfan4evr]

He’s going to be really good for us.

[gambitx777]

Apparently he was touted as a good shooter.
He improved just about everything in his G - league numbers from his college numbers. So that's promising. He's 20 so that's good.

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[FAH1223]

His G League stats

11 Games

14.5 PPG
6 RPG
2 APG
2.2 TOV PG
0.5 SPG
0.6 BPG

44% FG
36% 3PT
55% FT

Santa Cruz only scored 108 points per 100 possessions with him on the floor yet as a team they scored about 123 points per 100 possessions.

Sounds like Kyle Kuzma.

[tleikheen]

He has been compared to Michael Porter Jr on a pure shooting stroke ,Everytime he played on GS he showed his pure stroke .Avidja or Kispert ,one of them will lose their starting spot tp PB Jr

[gambitx777]

His G League stats

11 Games

14.5 PPG
6 RPG
2 APG
2.2 TOV PG
0.5 SPG
0.6 BPG

44% FG
36% 3PT
55% FT

Santa Cruz only scored 108 points per 100 possessions with him on the floor yet as a team they scored about 123 points per 100 possessions.

Sounds like Kyle Kuzma.

And a replacement Kyle Kuzma at around 2 mill is worth the 57 pick when kuz is about to make 25 plus lol

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[DonaldSanders]

Enjoy him guys, I think we just didn't have the playing time for him on our team. We moved him for an NBA ready 23yr old, PBJ needs some time to develop still and we're going all-in on the final couple years with the core.

PBJ has an absolutely beautiful shooting stroke, but struggles with much else. He has a good BBIQ but is slow, and doesn't have a big offensive bag (but generally avoids doing dumb stuff -- he can follow the team's plan). His biggest weakness is on defense. But wow, his shot is beautiful and he has no fear of pulling the trigger.

I will definitely be checking in with the Wizards and rooting for Poole/Baldwin Jr.

[9 and 20]

Enjoy him guys, I think we just didn't have the playing time for him on our team. We moved him for an NBA ready 23yr old, PBJ needs some time to develop still and we're going all-in on the final couple years with the core.

PBJ has an absolutely beautiful shooting stroke, but struggles with much else. He has a good BBIQ but is slow, and doesn't have a big offensive bag (but generally avoids doing dumb stuff -- he can follow the team's plan). His biggest weakness is on defense. But wow, his shot is beautiful and he has no fear of pulling the trigger.

I will definitely be checking in with the Wizards and rooting for Poole/Baldwin Jr.

This sounds like a guy we used to have - Davis Bertans. Much loved for a minute then hated, now and forever.

On a cheapo salary though, if he can be Bertans before he forgot how to shoot, that's not bad at all.

[payitforward]

Patrick Baldwin Jr is nothing like Michael Porter Jr.
Patrick Baldwin Jr is nothing like Davis Bertans.
Patrick Baldwin Jr is nothing like Kyle Kuzma.

Coming out of high school 2 years ago, Baldwin was a consensus 5-star recruit & one of the top players in the 2021 class. He was, for example, #5 in the RSCI top 100 -- That's pretty good I'd say!

Yet, he chose to attend the University of Wisconsin Milwaukee where his Father, Pat Baldwin, was the basketball coach.
Did he have better offers but didn't take them? Did he want his Father's coaching? Who knows?

Baldwin only played 11 games, & he was absolutely terrible. Word was that he didn't work at his game.
He's also quite slow & relatively non-athletic. & word was also that he didn't work hard on conditioning either.

Yet, he came out after a single year, & GS took him at #28 !! Which should tell us that people viewed his basketball talents as extraordinary!

Wouldn't it be great if the story had taken a positive turn at that point?
Unfortunately, it didn't.

1 year after taking him with the #28 pick in the 2022 draft, GS traded him for the #57 pick in the 2023 draft.

Think about that.

The #57 pick last night was Trayce Jackson-Davis. It'll be interesting to see who winds up having the better NBA career TJ-D or PB Jr.

Note that Baldwin is still only 20 years old. TJ-D is 2 years & 9 months older than he.

[bsilver]

His lack of athleticism doesn’t inspire hope. At the 2022 combine:
Out of 51 participants:
Lane agility 50
Shuttle run. 46
Sprint. 48
Standing vert leap. 50
Max leap. 51

[dckingsfan]

His lack of athleticism doesn’t inspire hope. At the 2022 combine:
Out of 51 participants:
Lane agility 50
Shuttle run. 46
Sprint. 48
Standing vert leap. 50
Max leap. 51

To me it isn't the athleticism. To me it is he didn't work on his game. But we see what happened with Gafford.

I am right there with you - I think he could be a steal.

I think this is a good move - you try to have as many assets as possible and hope one of them breaks through.

[DCZards]

His lack of athleticism doesn’t inspire hope. At the 2022 combine:
Out of 51 participants:
Lane agility 50
Shuttle run. 46
Sprint. 48
Standing vert leap. 50
Max leap. 51

To me it isn't the athleticism. To me it is he didn't work on his game. But we see what happened with Gafford.

I am right there with you - I think he could be a steal.

I think this is a good move - you try to have as many assets as possible and hope one of them breaks through.

Yup…between the youngins PBJ and Rollins, if even one of them turns out to be a steal, the trade of BB and the subsequent routing of Paul to GS, and/or the draft night trade with GS, will look real sweet 2-3 yrs from now.

We know who Poole is: an undisciplined gunner who needs to take smarter shots, cutdown on his TOs and play better D. But Jordan can score in bunches and get to the hoop at will…and even a rebuilding team needs someone like that.

[DCZards]

1 year after taking him with the #28 pick in the 2022 draft, GS traded him for the #57 pick in the 2023 draft.

Think about that.

The #57 pick last night was Trayce Jackson-Davis. It'll be interesting to see who winds up having the better NBA career TJ-D or PB Jr.

Note that Baldwin is still only 20 years old. TJ-D is 2 years & 9 months older than he.

It seems to me that GS decision to trade Baldwin was less about PBJ's potential and more about the timeline and needs of the Warriors. The Warriors want and need to win now and the older, more experienced Jackson-Davis is likely better prepared to help them in that regard. He gives GS some the inside size and toughness that they lacked last season, which ended up hurting them in the playoffs.

I do like Jackson-Davis tho and had hoped to see him in a Zards uni. Oh well.

[Gig18]

Guys who have a superpower very often sticking around the league for a long time.
He's big and he can shoot...

[80sballboy]

A big shooter is fine. The lack of athleticism bothers me some, but if the light ever turns on and he realizes he has to work hard to be more than just a shooter who is big, that's a nice pickup. Other than that, it's still worth it over TJD at 57.

[Dat2U]

I'm not a fan. At 57 I take a shot on someone who can play but doesn't have the ideal physical tools or size ... like a Jordan Walker but I'm not going to argue too much about the 57th pick in any draft. Its a complete crap shoot at that point.

[gesa2]

1 year after taking him with the #28 pick in the 2022 draft, GS traded him for the #57 pick in the 2023 draft.

Think about that.

The #57 pick last night was Trayce Jackson-Davis. It'll be interesting to see who winds up having the better NBA career TJ-D or PB Jr.

Note that Baldwin is still only 20 years old. TJ-D is 2 years & 9 months older than he.

It seems to me that GS decision to trade Baldwin was less about PBJ's potential and more about the timeline and needs of the Warriors. The Warriors want and need to win now and the older, more experienced Jackson-Davis is likely better prepared to help them in that regard. He gives GS some the inside size and toughness that they lacked last season, which ended up hurting them in the playoffs.

I do like Jackson-Davis tho and had hoped to see him in a Zards uni. Oh well.

I think at least part of the trade was the difference in salaries between a FRP and a first year minimum, Golden State is paying some multiple of that in tax every year. Effectively PBJ costs us a crap ton less in salary than he does to Golden State. Rational trade partners found a win win around that difference.
Most likely scenario is neither player is any good but we’re in a position to make some low risk bets.

[gambitx777]

Everyone I wanted at 57 ended up as an undrafted free agent. So I don't mind it. To me he is a Bertans type talented but a little lazy physically with real shooting skills and ability. He improved almost ever stat in the g league from his college stint, except FT and tov. So that's promising.

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[80sballboy]

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[Halcyon]

I guess it's worth a flier. Perhaps he peaked in high school, but maybe there is hope he figures it out. I thought he would go undrafted last year after the horrific college stats.