The Rookies of 2023-4

closg00 · Post #21 » by **closg00** » Thu Dec 28, 2023 4:06 pm

Endless Loop wrote:
dobrojim wrote:Black with a monster game last night. That said, it was against us but his matchup was Tyus.

He had 5 turnovers and 1 assist, and is listed as a point guard.

A 19 y/o rookie playing season-high minutes, he also got 4 steals. It was a good night for him, and he played up to his draft position.

*Joe Biden Voice* "Come-on man"

payitforward · Post #22 » by **payitforward** » Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:31 am

NatP4 wrote:Podziemski is now playing 23 mpg for GS. Per36: 14.0 points 8.6 rebounds 4.7 assists 1.6 steals 2.2 turnovers 56.4% TS.

Home run pick at 19.

Absolutely! & you called it.

NatP4 · Post #23 » by **NatP4** » Sun Jan 7, 2024 12:12 pm

How many point guards posted a 45% TS and a 3/2 A/TO ratio through their first 700 minutes in the NBA, and went on to become all star level players?

Kanyewest · Post #24 » by **Kanyewest** » Sun Jan 7, 2024 4:43 pm

NatP4 wrote:How many point guards posted a 45% TS and a 3/2 A/TO ratio through their first 700 minutes in the NBA, and went on to become all star level players?

Not sure. Westbrook had a TS% at around 49% with a 8.2 assists with close to a 3:2 assist to turnover ratio.

Jason Kidd had a TS% of 47% but his assist to turnover ratio was close to 3 to 1 although he was 21 years old.

That being said, I don't really hold any Scoot stock, didn't jump out to me when the Go Go played against him although he is looking better over the last few games.

Post #25 » by **nate33** » Sun Jan 7, 2024 5:55 pm

NatP4 wrote:How many point guards posted a 45% TS and a 3/2 A/TO ratio through their first 700 minutes in the NBA, and went on to become all star level players?

This is definitely a concern. Guards usually aren't taken this high in the draft and when they do, if they're not pretty good right away, it's often a problem. There are a whole lot of Brandon Knights, Dion Waiters, Markelle Fultzs of the league who looked bad pretty early and never really got much better.

There are a couple of examples of guys with rough starts that panned out pretty well:

De'Aaron Fox posted literally exactly these numbers early in his career. In his first 26 games (689 minutes) he posted a TS% of .451 and an A/TO ratio of 1.67 (exactly 3/2).

Kemba Walker posted a TS% of .460 and a 1.8 A/TO ratio over his first 750 minutes.

Darius Garland posted a TS% of .472 and an awful 1.1 A/TO ratio in his first 650 minutes.

None of these 3 guys made a massive improvement over the second half of their rookie season either. They just put in the work in the offseason and came back in the following season looking much better. The bottom line is: if a guy can get to the rim, it's probably not a good idea to give up on him too early.

Kanyewest · Post #26 » by **Kanyewest** » Wed Jan 17, 2024 5:45 pm

Updated rookie ladder. Bilal no longer in the top 10 (although maybe it is because he plays for the Wizards). He's had a rough last week 6.4 pg with 34/29/67 splits in his last 10 - maybe he's due for a rebound.

https://www.nba.com/news/kia-rookie-ladder-jan-17-2024-edition

FAH1223 · Post #27 » by **FAH1223** » Fri Jan 19, 2024 9:12 am

Watch on YouTube

closg00 · Post #28 » by **closg00** » Tue Jan 23, 2024 1:05 pm

Brandon Miller has steadily improved and has been looking the part of #2 pick

Frichuela · Post #29 » by **Frichuela** » Tue Jan 23, 2024 2:08 pm

closg00 wrote:Brandon Miller has steadily improved and has been looking the part of #2 pick

Yep, impressive performance last night.

NatP4 · Post #30 » by **NatP4** » Tue Jan 23, 2024 3:11 pm

closg00 wrote:Brandon Miller has steadily improved and has been looking the part of #2 pick

Scoot Henderson is now averaging 16.1 points on 15.9 shots and 4.3 turnovers in almost 1000 minutes.

payitforward · Post #31 » by **payitforward** » Tue Jan 23, 2024 3:42 pm

Frichuela wrote:
closg00 wrote:Brandon Miller has steadily improved and has been looking the part of #2 pick

Yep, impressive performance last night.

True!
Still... you have to give Charlotte's 3-point win to the bench -- they turned 15 FGAs & 4 FTAs into 32 points (95.5% TS%) to get the team a 3-point win: wow...!

Kanyewest · Post #32 » by **Kanyewest** » Tue Jan 30, 2024 4:16 pm

Whitmore averaging 12.9 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 0.4 apg, 0.7 TOV in 19.6 minutes per game in the month of January with a 59.4 TS%. He has has scored the 3rd most points in the month (206). Only Wemby (315) and Chet have more (236).

TGW · Post #33 » by **TGW** » Tue Jan 30, 2024 5:15 pm

Kanyewest wrote:Whitmore averaging 12.9 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 0.4 apg, 0.7 TOV in 19.6 minutes per game in the month of January with a 59.4 TS%. He has has scored the 3rd most points in the month (206). Only Wemby (315) and Chet have more (236).

He's a nice grab at pick #20. I'm just not impressed with the ast/turn.

Kanyewest · Post #34 » by **Kanyewest** » Thu Feb 1, 2024 5:55 pm

https://www.nba.com/news/kia-rookie-ladder-jan-31-2024-edition

Kanyewest · Post #35 » by **Kanyewest** » Sat Feb 3, 2024 10:06 am

Whitmore with 25 points 6 rebounds, 1 assist and 2 turnovers in 21 minutes.

pcbothwel · Post #36 » by **pcbothwel** » Sat Feb 3, 2024 1:05 pm

Kanyewest wrote:Whitmore with 25 points 6 rebounds, 1 assist and 2 turnovers in 21 minutes.

This is why I cooled on him with our pick last year. As I said then, Jaylon Brown.
But unless he becomes a plus defender, how value is a guy that doesnt seem to add much else offensively

Kanyewest · Post #37 » by **Kanyewest** » Sat Feb 3, 2024 5:04 pm

pcbothwel wrote:
Kanyewest wrote:Whitmore with 25 points 6 rebounds, 1 assist and 2 turnovers in 21 minutes.

This is why I cooled on him with our pick last year. As I said then, Jaylon Brown.
But unless he becomes a plus defender, how value is a guy that doesnt seem to add much else offensively

Whitmore is 19 so lots of room to grow. He has the right coach in Udoka to help him grow into a defender. Yes he has flaws although it looks like he was undervalued like most Villanova guys.

Kanyewest · Post #38 » by **Kanyewest** » Sat Feb 3, 2024 5:13 pm

Podziemski with 14 assists and 0 turnovers

Kanyewest · Post #39 » by **Kanyewest** » Sat Feb 3, 2024 5:39 pm

The Whitmore shows he can pass.

NatP4 · Post #40 » by **NatP4** » Wed Feb 14, 2024 4:14 am

Henderson over the Thompson twins is brutal.

Same goes for Taylor Hendricks over Lively.

Podziemski still looks like one of the 5 best players in the class. Such a steal at 19.