Trade Thread V - Visitors, post trade ideas HERE

[miller31time]

Part 5 in the popular series of the "Official Washington Wizards Trade Thread". If you got a few hours to kill, here are the links to the previous episodes...
- Official Wizards Trade Thread
- Official Wizards Trade Thread: Part 2
- Official Wizards Trade Thread: Part 3
-Official Wizards Trade Thread: Part 4

[Silvie Lysandra]

First blood then...
Washington Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -5.8 ppg, -1.6 rpg, and -4.7 apg.
Incoming Players
Elton Brand
6-8 PF from Duke
17.6 ppg, 8.0 rpg, 2.0 apg in 34.2 minutes
Outgoing Players
Etan Thomas
6-10 C from Syracuse
No games yet played in 2007/08
Antonio Daniels
6-4 PG from Bowling Green
8.4 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 4.8 apg in 30.4 minutes
Andray Blatche
6-11 PF from South Kent Prep (HS)
7.5 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 1.1 apg in 20.4 minutes
Nick Young
6-6 SG from USC
7.5 ppg, 1.5 rpg, 0.8 apg in 15.4 minutes
L.A. Clippers Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +5.8 ppg, +1.6 rpg, and +4.7 apg.
Incoming Players
Etan Thomas
6-10 C from Syracuse
No games yet played in 2007/08
Antonio Daniels
6-4 PG from Bowling Green
8.4 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 4.8 apg in 30.4 minutes
Andray Blatche
6-11 PF from South Kent Prep (HS)
7.5 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 1.1 apg in 20.4 minutes
Nick Young
6-6 SG from USC
7.5 ppg, 1.5 rpg, 0.8 apg in 15.4 minutes

Draft Rights to Vladmir Vereemenko
2009 Memphis protected pick

Outgoing Players
Elton Brand
6-8 PF from Duke
17.6 ppg, 8.0 rpg, 2.0 apg in 34.2 minutes

Why for Washington?

They get the perfect player for what they need, while solving a potential problem with the Blatche situation. Unfortunately it forces us to go C or PG with #18 and sign the other with the MLE

Furthermore, it makes Jamison our 30 mpg supersub backing up Brand and Butler.

Why for the Clips?

They get solid young pieces for Brand, including (imo) a potential superstar in Nick Young. They also pick up a solid backup to Livingston if he's not healthy (and allows them to limit his minutes) and a solid backup to Kaman.



Final Rosters

C: Haywood/#18
PF: Brand/Jamison
SF: Butler/Jamison
SG: Stevenson/Mason
PG: Arenas/MLE

A little short on depth, but a LOT better defensively and more balanced offensively.

C: Kaman/Thomas
PF: #6/Blatche
SF: Thornton/Maggette
SG: Young/Ross
PG: Livingston/Daniels

Not really much better, but they have a lot more assets to work with.

[Wiz99]

OMG, in a heartbeat.

But I can't believe the Clips will fall for an offer that lopsided.

I think a team would have to send back a bonafide young talent. Like a Luol Deng type player. Not an all star, but roundly recognized as having all star potential. Neither Blatche nor Young fit the bill.

[Dat2U]

Jamison would rather walk (and take a lesser salary elsewhere) than come off the bench.

Dude expects to start, trading for Brand would be a way of telling Jamison to take a hike.

[Silvie Lysandra]

I don't know that much about Thornton, but how about you make the trade so that we send them Butler and they send Brand and Thornton?

Washington Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -13.4 ppg, -3.8 rpg, and -8.4 apg.
Incoming Players
Elton Brand
6-8 PF from Duke
17.6 ppg, 8.0 rpg, 2.0 apg in 34.2 minutes
Al Thornton
6-8 SF / PF from Florida State
12.7 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 1.2 apg in 27.3 minutes
Outgoing Players
Caron Butler
6-7 SF / SG from Connecticut
20.3 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 4.9 apg in 39.9 minutes
Antonio Daniels
6-4 PG from Bowling Green
8.4 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 4.8 apg in 30.4 minutes
Andray Blatche
6-11 PF from South Kent Prep (HS)
7.5 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 1.1 apg in 20.4 minutes
Nick Young
6-6 SG from USC
7.5 ppg, 1.5 rpg, 0.8 apg in 15.4 minutes

So now they have

C: Kaman/#18
PF: Blatche/T. Thomas
SF: Butler/Maggette
SG: Young/Ross
PG: Livingston/Daniels

While we have:

C: Haywood/E. Thomas
PF: Brand/Jamison
SF: Thornton/Jamison
SG: Stevenson/Mason
PG: Arenas/Lawson

They get an young all-star with a great contract along with solid pieces, we get the frontline star we want along with a young prospect.

EDIT: Okay, then we start Jamison at SF and hide him the best we can.

[Dat2U]

Why don't you just trade the entire Clippers roster for the entire Wizards roster?

[MDStar]

Why don't you just trade the entire Clippers roster for the entire Wizards roster?

LMAO! I was thinking the same thing.

[AgentOvechkin08]

NO TO BRAND. 1. he just came off a major injury that kept him out most of the season
2. Jamison basically gives us the same production, he is a 20 10 guy every night and with our big 3 healthy we are a good team.
Also why all of a sudden is blatche and Nick young involved in trades. Is it because blatche just got busted?
Nick young is up and coming stud and we trade him. What are you all thinking

I dont want to give up a two young players, our 18th pick Etan and AD for Brand. also the rights to VV who could be a decent role player.
How are we gonna fill out our roster. We wont have a 1st rounder, we have our 2nd rounder and that is it.

Gil/?
Deshawn/?(mason is gone)
Butler/Dmac/
Brand/?(jamison is not coming off the bench)/pecherov
Haywood/?

Do we have enough money for a MLE after we sign Gil and probably have to give Brand a new contract.

My trades I admit are somewhat unreasonable but I would never trade so much for one guy.
47th pick might not have any value and i dont think the Clips would even trade him. He might even opt out.
Plus Jamison potentially leaving means Arenas is gone as well.
Then we are really screwed.

[nate33]

NO TO BRAND. 1. he just came off a major injury that kept him out most of the season
2. Jamison basically gives us the same production, he is a 20 10 guy every night and with our big 3 healthy we are a good team.
Also why all of a sudden is blatche and Nick young involved in trades. Is it because blatche just got busted?
Nick young is up and coming stud and we trade him. What are you all thinking

I dont want to give up a two young players, our 18th pick Etan and AD for Brand. also the rights to VV who could be a decent role player.
How are we gonna fill out our roster. We wont have a 1st rounder, we have our 2nd rounder and that is it.

Gil/?
Deshawn/?(mason is gone)
Butler/Dmac/
Brand/?(jamison is not coming off the bench)/pecherov
Haywood/?

Do we have enough money for a MLE after we sign Gil and probably have to give Brand a new contract.

My trades I admit are somewhat unreasonable but I would never trade so much for one guy.
47th pick might not have any value and i dont think the Clips would even trade him. He might even opt out.
Plus Jamison potentially leaving means Arenas is gone as well.
Then we are really screwed.

If you have the opportunity to get Brand without giving up any among our starting 5, you do it. The only tweak I'd make is to try real hard to include Songaila as filler rather than AD. With Brand and Jamison manning the PF spot, there is no need at all for DSong.

I wouldn't be overly concerned about the Jamison issue either. If I were EJ, I'd kick off the season with the Gil, Butler, Jamison, Brand and Haywood as the starting lineup. After that doesn't work out, THEN I'd ask Jamison to come off the bench. The key is to make it seem like it wasn't the intent from the beginning, but it's something we need Jamison to do to help the team out.

Ultimately, I don't think Jamison would complain much. He could still get 32 minutes a game and he'd still play crunch time. (In crunch time, I'd play Arenas, Butler, Jamison and Brand; plus either Stevenson or Haywood, depending upon whether the opponent's star is a guard or a big.)

[MDStar]

If Jamison would be getting 32 minutes a game and that would be the lineup in the 4th. Why not just make that our lineup anyway without the trade? Have Caron at the 2 and Jamison at the 3. Would our defense be worst with Blatche starting instead of Deshawn? I sort of think it could better. Especially, if Dray improves this offseason.

[Silvie Lysandra]

Well, I thought of the trade yesterday so it wasn't in response to the bust...but now that it's gone down I have little confidence that Blatche will actually show the maturity to improve like we expect.

And do you think even an improved Blatche will give us any more than a healthy Brand would, especially defensively?

I'd actually do the second deal and send them Butler, but swap the picks, then see if we can parlay Thornton + filler + 6 into a quality SF (Prince? Deng? Wallace?)

[AgentOvechkin08]

Ive seen a couple people on here wanting Kyle Lowry from Memphis.
I put together a trade that IMO works.

Memphis gets:
Etan Thomas
Deshawn Stevenson
Antonio Daniels
47th pick
091st
Rights to Vladimir Veremeenko

Washington gets:
Jason Collins
Kyle Lowry
Javaris Crittenton
Brian Cardinal
28th pick

We have two young studs coming off the bench at SG.
We grab a Big at 18 and at 28 maybe get Hendrix.

Gil/Crittenton
NY/Lowry
Butler/McGuire/Hendrix(28th)
Jamison/Blatche/Pecherov
Haywood/Hibbert(maybe at 18.)

**Waive Cardinal and Collins

[nate33]

If Jamison would be getting 32 minutes a game and that would be the lineup in the 4th. Why not just make that our lineup anyway without the trade? Have Caron at the 2 and Jamison at the 3. Would our defense be worst with Blatche starting instead of Deshawn? I sort of think it could better. Especially, if Dray improves this offseason.

Because there is only one basketball.

There are diminishing returns with each additional offensively talented player you add to the lineup. With a core of Arenas, Butler and Brand; I think the offense would be very effective. I'd rather supplement that squad with two very good defenders in Haywood and Stevenson, rather than add yet another offensive player.

With Jamison coming off the bench, he can handle much of the offensive load when Arenas, Jamison and/or Butler sit.

In crunch time, most coaches (and especially EJ) reflexively gravitate toward putting better offensive players on the floor. The sense is that opposing teams clamp down more on D so you really need offensive firepower to get things done. I don't have a problem with this philosphy. Ideally, we play the Big Four plus Stevenson, and then try to rotate Haywood in on offense/defense substitutions when possible.

[LyricalRico]

What about this scenario...

Draft
#18 - Roy Hibbert
#47 - Sean Singletary

Wizards trade: Etan and Gil (S&T)
Pistons trade: Chauncey and Sheed

Let Jamison walk

Lineup
Haywood/Hibbert
Sheed/Blatche/Songaila
Caron/McGuire
Stevenson/Young
Billups/Daniels/Singletary

Inactive - Pecherov

All of our luxury tax and salary cap problems are solved. We're much better defensively and we have guys ready to step in after Sheed's deal is up (I haven't given up on Blatche).

[nate33]

Truly awful Rico.

You just traded away a 26 year-old Arenas for a 32-year-old Billups. And you gave away a 31-year-old Jamison for a 34-year-old Wallace.

You may have slightly improved us for a grand total of maybe one season. After that, we're in total rebuild mode. And you didn't even do anything to try to assist in the rebuild process. We have the #18 and the #47 whether or not we make the Detroit trade.

[Silvie Lysandra]

Ive seen a couple people on here wanting Kyle Lowry from Memphis.
I put together a trade that IMO works.

Memphis gets:
Etan Thomas
Deshawn Stevenson
Antonio Daniels
47th pick
091st
Rights to Vladimir Veremeenko

Washington gets:
Jason Collins
Kyle Lowry
Javaris Crittenton
Brian Cardinal
28th pick

We have two young studs coming off the bench at SG.
We grab a Big at 18 and at 28 maybe get Hendrix.

Gil/Crittenton
NY/Lowry
Butler/McGuire/Hendrix(28th)
Jamison/Blatche/Pecherov
Haywood/Hibbert(maybe at 18.)

**Waive Cardinal and Collins

I'm not really interested in dealing Stevenson and as nate just said, more offense = diminishing returns, which is why I kind of want to trade Nick if we retain Gil.

And you have positions wrong.

[AgentOvechkin08]

Rumor has it (espn report)
That Detroit might be shopping Sheed, billups or hamilton. T
They say hamilton and billups might have great value for teams trying to get over a hump in the playoffs......duh Washington over Cleveland.

So....
3 team trade with the Clips and Pistons:

Wizards get:
Richard Hamilton
35th pick(LA)

Clippers get:
Arron Afflalo
29th pick(Det)
Jason Maxiell


Pistons get:
Dsteve
Etan Thomas
Al Thornton
pecherov
18th pick
draft rights to VV

Roster:
Arenas/Daniels/Singletary(47th)
Hamilton/Young
Butler/McGuire/Songaila
Jamison/Hardin(35th)or Dorsey
Haywood/Blatche

Detroit gets a good player in Thornton and essentially 2 young players in VV and 18th pick along with Pech. LA gets two young players and gets the 29th and trades the 35th pick. We get a all star SG that is a good Defender and scorer.
We Dorsey or Hardin at 35 and a young PG at 47. I chose singletary.

Thoughts...

[Dat2U]

^ Why on earth would Detroit make that trade?

Thornton, swapping some mediocre picks and bad contracts for Rip? Last time I checked Joe Dumars wasn't Isiah Thomas.

[AgentOvechkin08]

I have heard from some that Memphis is looking to move down because Bayless said he doesnt want to play for them and OJ is probably gone.

I say we could make a move:

CRAZY TRADE
18th
Thomas
Stevenson
Songaila
09 1st
Give them back their protected pick
09 2nd

We get:
Cardinal
Crittenton
J. Collins
5th overall

We hope Bayless falls if not him then get eric gordan.

Arenas/Crittenton
Young/Bayless or Gordan(5th)
Butler/McGuire/Veremeenko?(if he comes over)
Jamison/Blatche/(47th pick)Hardin maybe?
Haywood/Collins

It crazy and highly unlikely but its just fun on the board and i cant wait til the draft.

[mohammed10]

FYI for those who are interested for a Wilcox trade.

Seattle Supersonics player Chris Wilcox was arrested in Bladen County on weapons charges Saturday evening.

According to reports from the Bladen County Sheriff