Discussing Potential Coaches Thread

Post #271 » by **Rafael122** » Fri Mar 20, 2009 9:24 pm

WTF. Who?

fishercob · Post #272 » by **fishercob** » Fri Mar 20, 2009 9:28 pm

FWIW, Dallas is 16th in the league in DRtg this year.

Zerocious · Post #273 » by **Zerocious** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 12:02 am

i think they should have the contestants of celebrity apprentice each coach a game, who ever has the best succes gets the job. and then in the finaly trump will fire tanksquat. my money is on tom green! rodman a close second!

lupin · Post #274 » by **lupin** » Tue Mar 24, 2009 12:23 pm

Hey, The Profit was mentioned in a DC Sports Bog posting as hanging around the arena and working out. Maybe he is the next coach in waiting?

Post #275 » by **TheSecretWeapon** » Wed Mar 25, 2009 1:42 pm

MJG wrote:http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=PERDiemInsider-090320
While we're talking about the Wizards, my spies tell me that Ed Tapscott is unlikely to be back as head coach, and that Mavs assistant Dwane Casey is near the top of the list of likely targets.

Item of possibly mild interest -- when they were looking for a defensive coordinator, the first guy they talked with was Casey. They ended up briefly hiring Thibodeau (sp), then went with Ayers. Casey, btw was an assistant in Seattle under Nate McMillan, and exhibited some interest in advanced statistical analysis. Makes sense that he would end up in Dallas, which has an extensive statistical program.

long suffrin' boulez fan · Post #276 » by **long suffrin' boulez fan** » Wed Mar 25, 2009 3:57 pm

lupin wrote:What would Laron Profit do if he was here right now? He'd make a plan and he'd follow through. That's what Laron Profit'd do.

Laron! Shoot! Laron! Fight!

When Laron Profit was in the NCAAs shooting for the championship, he did two slamdunks and a triple pointer while wearing a blindfold.

When Laron Profit was in the Alps fighting grizzly bears, he used his magical fire-breath and saved the maidens, fair.
Laron! S-s-shoot! Laron! Live!

So what would Laron Profit'd do if he was here today? I'm sure he'd kick an arse or two. That's what Laron Profit'd do.

Laron! Shoot! Laron! Live!

When Laron Profit traveled through time to the year 3010, he fought the evil robot king and saved us all agian.

When Laron Profit built the pyramids, he beat up Kounlah Khan! Cause Laron Profit doesn't take crap from an-y-bo-dy!

[Man In Back:]
No! Laron! Those chicken wings are really spicy! Don't eat those!
[Singers:]
I've never seen a man eat so many chicken wings. I've never seen a man eat so many chicken wings. I've never seen a man eat so many chicken wings.
[man:]
AAAHHHH! I've never seen a man eat so many chicken wings! AAAHHHH! I've never seen a man EAT SO MANY CHICKEN WINGS!! AAAHHHH!! I'VE NEVER SEEN A MAN EAT SO MANY CHICKEN WINGS!!! AAAHHHH!!! I'VE NEVER SEEN A MAN EAT SO MANY CHICKEN WINGS!!!!

Laron! Shoot! Laron! Fight!

Laron Profit-o was born on the planet of Krynuk. He came to Earth to save us all from borans and unstuck. Hideedodee!

Hideeday! Laron Profit's here. So round up all your lasses and tell 'em they have no fears. Say, "Come over here my honey, and come and I'll take off my pants. and I'm gonna make dirty love to you, cause that's what Laron Profit'd do."

Causethat's what Laron Profit'd DO!

HOF post. I think this one is already being replayed on ESPN Classic.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #277 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Wed Mar 25, 2009 6:50 pm

TheSecretWeapon wrote:Item of possibly mild interest -- when they were looking for a defensive coordinator, the first guy they talked with was Casey. They ended up briefly hiring Thibodeau (sp), then went with Ayers. Casey, btw was an assistant in Seattle under Nate McMillan, and exhibited some interest in advanced statistical analysis. Makes sense that he would end up in Dallas, which has an extensive statistical program.

Smart guy, Casey, but can he coach?

http://www.nba.com/coachfile/dwane_casey/index.html

Casey was named head coach of the Timberwolves on June 17, 2005. He was relieved of his coaching duties on Jan. 25, 2007 while in playoff contention with a 20-20 record. In his only stint as an NBA head coach, he earned a 43-59 record (.422).

In 2008, Casey traveled through Europe, attending Euroleague games, practices and studying various basketball concepts. Casey began his NBA coaching career as an assistant for the Sonics, where he served for 11 seasons (starting in 1994-95). He joined the Sonics for the 1994-95 season after spending five years as a head coach in Japan.

Out of high school, Casey’s decision to play at Kentucky for Coach Joe B. Hall helped the Wildcats register a 30-2 record his junior season and capture the 1978 NCAA Championship. Casey was named team captain his senior year and won UK’s all-academic award.

Bottom line: He's over 50 and hasn't won a thing at any level. I will be disappointed if Casey is the hire because I'll see it as bringing in a coach to relate to the players, instead of bringing in a coach that won't be more of the same.

I still say go with Saunders, Joerger, Blatt, Thibodeau, or Laimbeer.

fishercob · Post #278 » by **fishercob** » Wed Mar 25, 2009 7:00 pm

I dunno CCJ, I think that's sort of an unfair characterization of Casey. You're always banging the drum about how there's a wealth of NBA talent out there who would thrive if given the opportunity. Why would it be any different with coaches?

Casey's one head coaching stint was basically for a bad team. If he's a defensive guy who can indeed relate to players -- and in turn get through to them -- why would hiring him be bad?

I think a lot of us -- myself included -- have failed to consider the possibility that EG truly wanted TT to be EJ's defensive assistant, and that's it. I don't know a thing about TT other than what we all talk about. Maybe he doesn't have the personality to be a head guy. Maybe he's weak on the offensive side. We don't know.

ANd as much as I'm with you on my conceptual interest in Blatt and Jorger (along with TT), we don't know that those guys would be good fits, either. Blatt may be too entrenched in the Euro game. Jorger may be addicted to internet porn. We just don't know.

No matter how we all feel about whomever EG hires, only time will tell if it was the right move.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #279 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Wed Mar 25, 2009 7:06 pm

fish, your reply was quicker than my edit--I added Flip to the top of the list, mainly because we do know he's won a lot of games in the NBA and the CBA.

I hear your on Casey and don't disagree. I could be rushing to judgement about a guy who hasn't been given a real opportunity. He coached a crap team without KG.

You're right about TT. Could have a bad head coach personality, although I wonder about how on earth he could be so very effective communicating defensive principles and how he could laud such praise from the likes a Kobe if TT wasn't adept in the people skills department.

As for Blatt, I think he'll stay in Europe.

BUT FOR JOERGER .... EVERYTHING about this kid says future star. Especially with the Grizzlies commiting to Lionel Hollins. Joerger can coach his ass off. So long as he keeps the porn addiction on the DL ...

Post #280 » by **miller31time** » Wed Mar 25, 2009 7:49 pm

I remember hearing Casey's name back when we were looking at assistant coaches. I even went to the T-Wolves Board and asked them about him. They basically said that he got a bad wrap as their coach and that he's a pretty solid NBA-level coach.

No idea if he'd fit this team as our head coach, simply because I don't know enough about him other than he's a defensive specialist. However, just from the fact he's known for coaching defense makes me think he wouldn't be the worst candidate.

20MexicanosIn1Van · Post #281 » by **20MexicanosIn1Van** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 10:44 pm

The Czar reportedly wants to get back into coaching, would he be a good fit?

no D in Hibachi · Post #282 » by **no D in Hibachi** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 11:28 pm

For some reason Flip seems like more of the same to me. An offensive system type guy, doesn't seem like the hard nosed coach the Wizards need. I think any team with Gilbert, Caron and Antawn will score no matter what, and probably be efficient at it. Unless a mean cuss coach comes in and changes the defense I just don't see this team really getting any better. 1st pick or not. The entire culture of the Wiz needs to change. I don't think Flip can bring that.

dobrojim · Post #283 » by **dobrojim** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 11:33 pm

Flip doesn't do much for me and I don't think he's the guy.
If he was, why wouldn't they simply have hired him when
they fired EJ? Why wait?

I think it has to be someone who has a job now, probably
an NBA job.

doclinkin · Post #284 » by **doclinkin** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 11:46 pm

20MexicanosIn1Van wrote:The Czar reportedly wants to get back into coaching, would he be a good fit?

Fratello? Hoo boy. Dunno if he's a good fit for the personnel nor the new uptempo league. Fratello always wanted to minimize mistakes by walking the ball up slowly and playing a grind it out style. Defensive emphasis sure, but slow like watching barnacles grow. Maybe he's changed.

Benjammin · Post #285 » by **Benjammin** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 12:46 am

I wanted to bump a list I posted earlier with a few tweaks. I would be especially happy with any one of the top four guys.

1. Tom Thibodeau (defensive guru)
2. Mike Budenholzer (assistant with the Spurs)
3. Bill Laimbeer (tough SOB with rings)
4. Dave Joerger
5. Dave Blatt
6. Flip Saunders
7. Elston Turner (assistant with the Rockets)

Post #286 » by **TheSecretWeapon** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 1:02 am

doclinkin wrote:
20MexicanosIn1Van wrote:The Czar reportedly wants to get back into coaching, would he be a good fit?

Fratello? Hoo boy. Dunno if he's a good fit for the personnel nor the new uptempo league. Fratello always wanted to minimize mistakes by walking the ball up slowly and playing a grind it out style. Defensive emphasis sure, but slow like watching barnacles grow. Maybe he's changed.

Nah. At his last gig in Memphis, he inherited Hubie Brown's uptempo team (10th in Pace the year they won 50 games) and immediately slowed them down. Fratello is absolutely the wrong coach to pair with Arenas, who constantly pushes the pace. Someplace on these boards are the numbers I posted showing that no one in the NBA changed his team's pace more than Arenas. Something like +6 possessions per 48 minutes faster when Gil was on the floor. Fratello usually gets guys to play defense, but he'd be manacles on Gil.

Benjammin · Post #287 » by **Benjammin** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 1:08 am

I want a coach who is hungry and on the way up, not a guy who's had his career and looking for one more payday. My mantra is no retreads.

Post #288 » by **miller31time** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 1:16 am

I'm with Doc and TSW - no way do we want the Czar.

ZonkertheBrainless · Post #289 » by **ZonkertheBrainless** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 1:24 am

Did he want to do that or was he forced to because his personnel sucked and grinding it out gave him a better chance to win?

Ed Wood · Post #290 » by **Ed Wood** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 1:50 am

ZonkertheBrainless wrote:Did he want to do that or was he forced to because his personnel sucked and grinding it out gave him a better chance to win?

Regardless of the overall talent level of the team trying to win with Mike Miller, Rudy Gay and Pau Gasol by playing as slowly as possible was a strategy with questionable efficacy. Fratello might have originally reigned things in because a slow pace allows a good team fewer possessions to be better than his crappy team but there's no evidence that he'd cut things loose if he had a lot of offensive talent. Pass.