GD's Big Board - 2020 Edition

[GimmeDat]

Maker unless you mean he's going to Australia first is definitely going to be in the draft

I'm not so sure about that -

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I know he still intends to, but based on his quotes, it's under the assumption he's a top draft pick.

Seemingly, his stock has dropped significantly since he was boosted up to #2 on those 2021 boards.

[Justwar]

Maker unless you mean he's going to Australia first is definitely going to be in the draft

I'm not so sure about that -

Read on Twitter

?s=20

I know he still intends to, but based on his quotes, it's under the assumption he's a top draft pick.

Seemingly, his stock has dropped significantly since he was boosted up to #2 on those 2021 boards.

He's not likely to be eligible in college

[GimmeDat]

Maker unless you mean he's going to Australia first is definitely going to be in the draft

I'm not so sure about that -

Read on Twitter

?s=20

I know he still intends to, but based on his quotes, it's under the assumption he's a top draft pick.

Seemingly, his stock has dropped significantly since he was boosted up to #2 on those 2021 boards.

He's not likely to be eligible in college

Why do you say that?

Because he publicly ruled out pro options.

[GimmeDat]

1. Anthony Edwards
2. Killian Hayes
3. Onyeka Okongwu
4. Deni Avdjiva
5. Cole Anthony
6. Tyrese Haliburton
7. LaMelo Ball
8. Isaac Okoro
9. James Wiseman
10. Kira Lewis Jr
11. RJ Hampton
12. Tyrese Maxey
13. Obi Toppin
14. Josh Green
15. Theo Maledon
16. Daniel Oturu
17. Devin Vassell
18. Tre Jones
19. Precious Achuiwa
20. Aaron Nesmith
21. Saddiq Bey
22. Jaden McDaniels
23. Nico Mannion
24. Isaiah Joe
25. Jahmius Ramsey
26. Jalen Smith
27. Cassius Stanley
28. Isaiah Stewart
29. Jordan Nwora
30. Makur Maker


Still feeling out this group and haven't seen everyone, but this is where I'm at right now. Feel pretty good about that top 10, beyond that still feels very fluid to me. As an example, I struggle to find much difference between Green (13) and Stanley (27). Plenty of other guys not named here that could potentially be 1st's as well. But I've been looking at the top guys and I feel I have a better handle on them now.

Guys I need to see more of but are probably 1st's in some capacity -
- Jackson-Davis
- Bolmaro
- P.Williams

Haven't bothered with a 2nd round yet, could do a top 45 but the depth of this class is pretty uninspiring also so I don't feel like it's even worth fleshing out beyond the top 30 at this point.

[GimmeDat]

Trying to flesh out a 2nd round with names - it's more a big tier than anything atm. Williams and Bolmaro slotted in mid-1st, Jackson-Davis I liked the look of but starting off a bit more conservative on him at 29. Also liked the long term upside of Pokusevski, jumped in to 30 there.

1. Anthony Edwards
2. Killian Hayes
3. Onyeka Okongwu
4. Deni Avdjiva
5. Cole Anthony
6. LaMelo Ball
7. James Wiseman
8. Tyrese Haliburton
9. Isaac Okoro
10. Kira Lewis Jr
11. RJ Hampton
12. Tyrese Maxey
13. Obi Toppin
14. Leandro Bolmaro
15. Patrick Williams
16. Josh Green
17. Devin Vassell
18. Theo Maledon
19. Daniel Oturu
20. Tre Jones
21. Precious Achuiwa
22. Aaron Nesmith
23. Saddiq Bey
24. Jaden McDaniels
25. Nico Mannion
26. Isaiah Joe
27. Jahmius Ramsey
28. Jalen Smith
29. Trayce Jackson-Davis
30. Aleksej Pokusevski

31. Cassius Stanley
32. Killian Tillie
33. Zeke Nnaji
34. Isaiah Stewart
35. Makur Maker
36. Devon Dotson
37. Tyler Bey
38. Tyrell Terry
38. Jordan Nwora
39. Carlos Alocen
40. Xavier Tillman
41. Oscar Tshiebwe
41. Amar Sylla
42. Scottie Lewis
43. Paul Eboua
44. Aaron Henry
45. Paul Henry
46. Nick Richards
47. Reggie Perry
48. Vernon Carey

[EvanZ]

I'm pretty much out on Oturu. He's got the numbers but they feel so empty watching him play. Just hard to see more than another bench big that doesn't really want to work on defense. You're still high on Isaiah Joe? He's kinda been a dud this year, which is a bad sign.

[GimmeDat]

I'm pretty much out on Oturu. He's got the numbers but they feel so empty watching him play. Just hard to see more than another bench big that doesn't really want to work on defense. You're still high on Isaiah Joe? He's kinda been a dud this year, which is a bad sign.

I kind of agree on both fronts.

On Joe, I actually hadn't checked in on him in a while, didn't realize he was doing this badly. I'm happy to see how the rest of his games play out but 34% from 3 isn't good enough given who he projects to be in the NBA. Will probably drop him next time.

The first time I looked at Oturu, he didn't pass the eye test for me, but liked him more the second time around, and was probably a bit swayed by the impressive numbers. I think he's floating anywhere in that 18-30 tier for me, but this round I checked out Jackson-Davis, Pokusevski, etc., and I think they might be higher upside guys for me. Obviously Smith and Achuiwa have been pretty solid too. I could see myself sliding Oturu past all those guys at some point, I'll have to see more of all, though.

[GimmeDat]

Wanted to finally expand to 60, so here we are. Some considerable re-tweaks to the first 30-40, a lot happier with how it's all sitting right now. The 40-60 range will be prone to more fluctuation, it's a crap shoot as it is and I haven't seen a lot of some of them, many are pretty preliminary rankings. I'm missing some names I still haven't seen as well.

*I had to update this to bump up both Vassell and Nesmith, went back and checked both out in more depth and really like both of them.

1. Anthony Edwards
2. Killian Hayes
3. LaMelo Ball
4. Deni Avdjiva
5. Onyeka Okongwu
6. Devin Vassell
7. James Wiseman
8. Obi Toppin
9. Cole Anthony
10. Tyrese Haliburton
11. Kira Lewis Jr
12. Isaac Okoro
13. RJ Hampton
14. Tyrese Maxey
15. Aaron Nesmith
16. Leandro Bolmaro
17. Patrick Williams
18. Josh Green
19. Aleksej Pokusevski
20. Theo Maledon
21. Trayce Jackson-Davis
22. Tre Jones
23. Precious Achuiwa
24. Saddiq Bey
25. Jaden McDaniels
26. Nico Mannion
27. Jahmius Ramsey
28. Jalen Smith
29. Killian Tillie
30. Xavier Tillman

31. Scottie Lewis
32. Paul Reed
33. Tyler Bey
34. Makur Maker
35. Oscar Tshiebwe
36. Isaiah Joe
37. Daniel Oturu
38. Zeke Nnaji
39. Isaiah Stewart
40. Devon Dotson
41. Tyrell Terry
42. Jordan Nwora
43. Carlos Alocen
44. Grant Riller
45. Landers Nolley
46. Cassius Stanley
47. Amar Sylla
48. Paul Eboua
49. Aaron Henry
50. Joel Ayayi
51. Nick Richards
52. Reggie Perry
53. Vernon Carey
54. Markus Howard
55. Ochai Agbaji
56. Jared Butler
57. Neemius Queta
58. Myles Powell
59. Quinten Grimes
60. Georgios Kalaitzakis

[GimmeDat]

1. Anthony Edwards
2. LaMelo Ball
3. Killian Hayes

4. Deni Avdija
5. Onyeka Okongwu
6. Devin Vassell
7. James Wiseman
8. Obi Toppin
9. Tyrese Maxey

10. Tyrese Haliburton
11. Kira Lewis Jr
12. Cole Anthony
13. Isaac Okoro
14. RJ Hampton

15. Patrick Williams
16. Aaron Nesmith
17. Josh Green
18. Leandro Bolmaro
19. Aleksej Pokusevski

20. Jeremiah Robinson-Earl
21. Tyrell Terry
22. Theo Maledon
23. Jaden McDaniels
24. Precious Achuiwa

25. Tre Jones
26. Tyler Bey
27. Nico Mannion

28. Jalen Smith
29. Grant Riller
30. Desmond Bane
31. Killian Tillie

32. Xavier Tillman
33. Jahmius Ramsey
34. Saddiq Bey
35. Zeke Nnaji
36. Isaiah Joe
37. Devon Dotson

38. Jay Scrubb
39. Carlos Alocen
40. Malachi Flynn
41. Robert Woodard

42. Terrence Shannon Jr
43. Paul Reed
44. Isaiah Stewart
45. Makur Maker
46. Jordan Nwora
47. Cassius Stanley
48. Keyontae Johnson

49. CJ Elleby
50. Vernon Carey
51. Amar Sylla
52. Daniel Oturu
53. Paul Eboua

54. Abdoulaye N'doye
55. Elijah Hughes
56. Jared Butler
57. Joel Ayayi
58. Jalen Harris
59. Ochai Adbaji
60. Nick Richards

[Catchall]

RJ Hampton?

Plus you have two 18s and two 45s.

[GimmeDat]

RJ Hampton?

Plus you have two 18s and two 45s.

Thanks, made a couple of errors putting it into tiers. All fixed up now.

[No-Man]

That's not like tiers work

[GimmeDat]

That's not like tiers work

What are you talking about, Fisch

[No-Man]

Tiers are firstly supposed to be limited, and then grow bigger as they go, it's just obvious, you can't have a tier in the 40s-50s with 5 guys my man, it's just anti-what tiers are

[EvanZ]

I agree with "Fisch". I try to not have more than 6-7 tiers (even that might be too much). Generally tiers are like:

MVP potential/HOF potential

Multiple All-Star potential

fringe or 1-time All-Star

High-level starter/6th man

fringe or spot starter/rotation

deep bench

It's like an inverted pyramid, where you have maybe 0 or 1 guy at the top progressing to perhaps 10-20 guys at the bottom.

[getrichordie]

I agree with "Fisch". I try to not have more than 6-7 tiers (even that might be too much). Generally tiers are like:

MVP potential/HOF potential

Multiple All-Star potential

fringe or 1-time All-Star

High-level starter/6th man

fringe or spot starter/rotation

deep bench

It's like an inverted pyramid, where you have maybe 0 or 1 guy at the top progressing to perhaps 10-20 guys at the bottom.

Dude, there’s no set system for tiers. Tiers are completely philosophical. If you want to take that approach, that’s fine.

I personally think that if you are seeing a clear separation in talent/potential/NBA projection from one group to the next, you should separate them into tiers.

To say there should be “x” amount of players here and here and there should only be “x” amount of tiers is really limiting your board, in my opinion.

[EvanZ]

I agree with "Fisch". I try to not have more than 6-7 tiers (even that might be too much). Generally tiers are like:

MVP potential/HOF potential

Multiple All-Star potential

fringe or 1-time All-Star

High-level starter/6th man

fringe or spot starter/rotation

deep bench

It's like an inverted pyramid, where you have maybe 0 or 1 guy at the top progressing to perhaps 10-20 guys at the bottom.

Dude, there’s no set system for tiers. Tiers are completely philosophical. If you want to take that approach, that’s fine.

I personally think that if you are seeing a clear separation in talent/potential/NBA projection from one group to the next, you should separate them into tiers.

To say there should be “x” amount of players here and here and there should only be “x” amount of tiers is really limiting your board, in my opinion.

I mean it's simply looking at history. There aren't 10 All-Stars/MVP candidates in every Draft. Like fine, do what you want, but you're not going by historical fact with 30 tiers.

[getrichordie]

I agree with "Fisch". I try to not have more than 6-7 tiers (even that might be too much). Generally tiers are like:

MVP potential/HOF potential

Multiple All-Star potential

fringe or 1-time All-Star

High-level starter/6th man

fringe or spot starter/rotation

deep bench

It's like an inverted pyramid, where you have maybe 0 or 1 guy at the top progressing to perhaps 10-20 guys at the bottom.

Dude, there’s no set system for tiers. Tiers are completely philosophical. If you want to take that approach, that’s fine.

I personally think that if you are seeing a clear separation in talent/potential/NBA projection from one group to the next, you should separate them into tiers.

To say there should be “x” amount of players here and here and there should only be “x” amount of tiers is really limiting your board, in my opinion.

I mean it's simply looking at history. There aren't 10 All-Stars/MVP candidates in every Draft. Like fine, do what you want, but you're not going by historical fact with 30 tiers.

Of course there isn’t. But simply limiting yourself to those categories isn’t something one should do in my opinion. I think that your idea of how tiers *should* work is certainly a good starting point from a macro view, but you can break it down even further is what I’m saying. Just why limit yourself?

No one is saying pick 30 guys to be MVP/all-star level players.

[EvanZ]

No one is saying pick 30 guys to be MVP/all-star level players.

But like making a distinction between picks 40-45 and 45-50 is meaningless. You don't have any clue the actual order of those 10 guys most likely. Like maybe 1 or 2 out of 10 in that group ever contributes at an NBA level.

If you can differentiate between pick 25 and 45, that's probably much more important.

[getrichordie]

No one is saying pick 30 guys to be MVP/all-star level players.

But like making a distinction between picks 40-45 and 45-50 is meaningless. You don't have any clue the actual order of those 10 guys most likely. Like maybe 1 or 2 out of 10 in that group ever contributes at an NBA level.

If you can differentiate between pick 25 and 45, that's probably much more important.

That’s fair for the most part I guess, but it can’t hurt. It still accomplished the same damned thing, doesn’t it?