EvanZ 2020 Big Board

EvanZ · Post #41 » by **EvanZ** » Wed May 27, 2020 9:27 pm

clyde21 wrote:
EvanZ wrote:
clyde21 wrote:what role would Melo play differently than the one DLo had with the Warriors?

Better player?

not really what I asked u, I asked you what role is he gonna play for us.

and Dlo is a 24/4/6 player, how much better will Melo be exactly?

He's going to play the role of basketball player. Don't overthink talent.

getrichordie · Post #42 » by **getrichordie** » Wed May 27, 2020 9:44 pm

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Man do we have some different viewpoints on Mays. I have Mays going undrafted and you have him going first round.

Harris and Perry are way too high, IMO. I like Perry as a fit for UTA, though.

I like where you have Nnaji.

clyde21 · Post #43 » by **clyde21** » Wed May 27, 2020 9:47 pm

EvanZ wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
EvanZ wrote:
Better player?

not really what I asked u, I asked you what role is he gonna play for us.

and Dlo is a 24/4/6 player, how much better will Melo be exactly?

He's going to play the role of basketball player. Don't overthink talent.

talent is useless if it compromises your overarching system and minimizes everyone else, it's not just talent but fit, and Melo isn't the type of talent like Zion where you just take him and don't think twice about it

but we'll agree to disagree

EvanZ · Post #44 » by **EvanZ** » Wed May 27, 2020 11:12 pm

clyde21 wrote:
EvanZ wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
not really what I asked u, I asked you what role is he gonna play for us.

and Dlo is a 24/4/6 player, how much better will Melo be exactly?

He's going to play the role of basketball player. Don't overthink talent.

talent is useless if it compromises your overarching system and minimizes everyone else, it's not just talent but fit, and Melo isn't the type of talent like Zion where you just take him and don't think twice about it

but we'll agree to disagree

Definitely agree to disagree. If you're talking about fit at the #1 pick you're doing it wrong imo.

getrichordie · Post #45 » by **getrichordie** » Thu May 28, 2020 12:48 am

EvanZ wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
EvanZ wrote:
He's going to play the role of basketball player. Don't overthink talent.

talent is useless if it compromises your overarching system and minimizes everyone else, it's not just talent but fit, and Melo isn't the type of talent like Zion where you just take him and don't think twice about it

but we'll agree to disagree

Definitely agree to disagree. If you're talking about fit at the #1 pick you're doing it wrong imo.

In most drafts, that would be true. But Ball isn't so much better that you unequivocally have to take him. Plus, this is a unique situation because you have a surefire contender picking #1. Rarely happens.

EvanZ · Post #46 » by **EvanZ** » Thu May 28, 2020 1:45 am

getrichordie wrote:
In most drafts, that would be true. But Ball isn't so much better that you unequivocally have to take him. Plus, this is a unique situation because you have a surefire contender picking #1. Rarely happens.

Hmm yeah like when the Spurs took Keith van Horn because they already had David Robinson at center.

getrichordie · Post #47 » by **getrichordie** » Thu May 28, 2020 1:49 am

EvanZ wrote:
getrichordie wrote:
In most drafts, that would be true. But Ball isn't so much better that you unequivocally have to take him. Plus, this is a unique situation because you have a surefire contender picking #1. Rarely happens.

Hmm yeah like when the Spurs took Keith van Horn because they already had David Robinson at center.

Huh? Not sure what you are trying to get at... Different time and Duncan and Robinson could clearly play together.

RiotPunch · Post #48 » by **RiotPunch** » Thu May 28, 2020 2:33 am

Poor example, unless you think Ball is a Duncan level prospect? Tim was a generational type #1. You could already have Robinson, Hakeem and Wilt on the roster and still draft Tim.

I agree with both of you, though. This class just doesn't have a Duncan level no-brainer at the top. Not even a consensus #1.

Sure, picking Wiseman over Ball if you have Wiseman way lower on your board, just for fit, is poor asset management. Take the best guy on your board with fit being tiebreakers.

EvanZ · Post #49 » by **EvanZ** » Thu May 28, 2020 3:48 am

RiotPunch wrote:Sure, picking Wiseman over Ball if you have Wiseman way lower on your board, just for fit, is poor asset management. Take the best guy on your board with fit being tiebreakers.

This is the important part. I have Ball in a tier by himself. So rather go with the talent than take a lower tier guy just for theoretically better fit. Way too many teams have failed that way. If I wanted a better fit I'd trade down for it and pick up another asset.

clyde21 · Post #50 » by **clyde21** » Thu May 28, 2020 5:51 am

EvanZ wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
EvanZ wrote:
He's going to play the role of basketball player. Don't overthink talent.

talent is useless if it compromises your overarching system and minimizes everyone else, it's not just talent but fit, and Melo isn't the type of talent like Zion where you just take him and don't think twice about it

but we'll agree to disagree

Definitely agree to disagree. If you're talking about fit at the #1 pick you're doing it wrong imo.

well, that depends on entirely on which #1 pick you're talking about, if you're talking about a Zion or Davis, or even a Towns or Simmons where they are clearly a tier above anyone else, then yes, you take them and figure out the fit later

so unless you believe Melo is that type of player where he's head and shoulders above everyone else, you gotta think about fit (i don't know you might think he's that good, and if so that's where we disagree).

clyde21 · Post #51 » by **clyde21** » Thu May 28, 2020 5:57 am

RiotPunch wrote:Poor example, unless you think Ball is a Duncan level prospect? Tim was a generational type #1. You could already have Robinson, Hakeem and Wilt on the roster and still draft Tim.

I agree with both of you, though. This class just doesn't have a Duncan level no-brainer at the top. Not even a consensus #1.

Sure, picking Wiseman over Ball if you have Wiseman way lower on your board, just for fit, is poor asset management. Take the best guy on your board with fit being tiebreakers.

if you have Wiseman/Melo in the same tier, then you take Wiseman...you look at fit within the same tier, but if they're on separate tiers then you take the one in the first tier obviously

RiotPunch · Post #52 » by **RiotPunch** » Thu May 28, 2020 6:42 am

clyde21 wrote:
RiotPunch wrote:Poor example, unless you think Ball is a Duncan level prospect? Tim was a generational type #1. You could already have Robinson, Hakeem and Wilt on the roster and still draft Tim.

I agree with both of you, though. This class just doesn't have a Duncan level no-brainer at the top. Not even a consensus #1.

Sure, picking Wiseman over Ball if you have Wiseman way lower on your board, just for fit, is poor asset management. Take the best guy on your board with fit being tiebreakers.

if you have Wiseman/Melo in the same tier, then you take Wiseman...you look at fit within the same tier, but if they're on separate tiers then you take the one in the first tier obviously

100%.

Which is why this is a beautiful, imperfect, subjective art. Where you can have Hasheem Thabeet and Stephen Curry in the same tier and take Thabeet based on fit, as right or wrong as it may be.

This class doesn't have that "lose your job if you don't select him" guy, IMO. If you think that's LaMelo (or Wiseman for that matter), more power to ya.

EvanZ · Post #53 » by **EvanZ** » Thu May 28, 2020 7:00 pm

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clyde21 · Post #55 » by **clyde21** » Fri Jun 12, 2020 5:11 pm

ouf, don't think we agree on anything

EvanZ · Post #56 » by **EvanZ** » Fri Jun 12, 2020 6:14 pm

clyde21 wrote:ouf, don't think we agree on anything

I guess I'm doing something right. :wink:

getrichordie · Post #57 » by **getrichordie** » Sat Jun 13, 2020 8:54 pm

Yeah, I disagree with a lot of this. You are in minority on a lot of these so either you either have a really good eye or you don’t know what you are doing.

EvanZ · Post #58 » by **EvanZ** » Sat Jun 13, 2020 10:38 pm

getrichordie wrote:Yeah, I disagree with a lot of this. You are in minority on a lot of these so either you either have a really good eye or you don’t know what you are doing.

I know which one lol.

EvanZ · Post #59 » by **EvanZ** » Fri Jul 10, 2020 4:38 pm

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aguiar95 · Post #60 » by **aguiar95** » Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:43 pm

I really like the tiers system, since I'm not an enthusiast of general big boards (huge fan of individual teams' big boards though). Good job overall on the rankings. Only major disagreement I have is on Ball. Tier II seems too good for him, I would bump him to tier III (maybe IV) since I'm not that sold on him. Wouldn't mind seeing Bey/Woodard in tier V since there are so little serviceable wings.